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originally posted by: luthier
originally posted by: MotherMayEye
a reply to: luthier
I am pretty sure Occam was referring to the legal status of 'permanent resident.' IOW, a green card holder. You wouldn't be considered an "illegal" immigrant with permanent resident status.
Well considering green cards started around 1940 I doubt it
The State of Virginia outright rejected the common law doctrine in 1777 when it adopted the following doctrine written by Thomas Jefferson:
[A]ll infants, whenever born, whose father, if living, or otherwise, whose mother was a citizen at the time of their birth, or who migrate hither, their father, if living, or otherwise, their mother becoming a citizen, or who migrate hither without father or mother, shall be deemed citizens of this Commonwealth until they relinquish that character, in manner as hereinafter expressed; and all others not being citizens of any, of the United States of America, shall be deemed aliens.
edit on 1-11-2018 by Xtrozero because: (no reason given)
The purpose of the 14th was to protect recently freed slaves.
originally posted by: luthier
It isn't necessary but there is a painful process to remove it that should be used or every vague wording in the constitution can be challenged by EO. Maybe the right to bare arms doesnt mean that any more because of when it was written....
The founders made the system for a reason, they also chose the words in the constitution whether specific or vague with purpose.
Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.
8 U.S. Code § 1401 - Nationals and citizens of United States at birth
The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth:
(a) a person born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof;
originally posted by: Sookiechacha
If that's the case, then the 14th Amendment wasn't even needed, and should have been a temporary edict. Because, the slaves that were freed and their children gained automatic citizenship, and their unborn children would have been the children of citizens, who already gained citizenship. So, the 14th Amendment would only be useful for a few years, at most.
Since the legislators went to so much trouble to make this an amendment, and not a temporary edict to protect recently freed slaves, to make sure this amendment existed in perpetuity, one must infer that the authors meant what they said, in perpetuity.
originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: MotherMayEye
Do you honestly believe that every person who is an american holds allegiance to this country?
You do not have to love America to be an American.. Thats the best thing about living here. You are not forced into any kind of allegiance.