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Trump plans to sign executive order curbing birthright citizenship: report

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posted on Oct, 30 2018 @ 07:57 PM
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The policy, which stems from a disputed but long-recognized interpretation of the 14th Amendment, has given rise to what Trump considers abuse of the immigration system.


Despite Trump's claim, the U.S. is not the only nation to have birthright citizenship, but the policy is rare outside of the Americas.


The 14th Amendment states: "All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."

Michael Anton, a former national security adviser for Trump, pointed out in July that "there’s a clause in the middle of the amendment that people ignore or they misinterpret – subject to the jurisdiction thereof.”



Trump plans to sign executive order curbing birthright citizenship: report

It's not how I want this to happen. I want Congress to act. Their failure has left Trump little choice, this must end. Unlike what some on ATS have claimed it is NOT in conflict with the Constitution. It's two different interpretations of the Constitution which have never gone before the courts, and I think this is really the vision of the 14th.

Here is to hoping this crisis is finally resolved.




posted on Oct, 30 2018 @ 08:00 PM
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a reply to: OccamsRazor04

How long has this been going on for...? and I don't think it's a crisis. Only in the media.



posted on Oct, 30 2018 @ 08:04 PM
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originally posted by: amazing
a reply to: OccamsRazor04

How long has this been going on for...? and I don't think it's a crisis. Only in the media.

Maybe you can tell me. I would say 12+ million illegals who can have numerous children is a problem.



posted on Oct, 30 2018 @ 08:06 PM
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a reply to: amazing

My wife is a non citizen immigrant. I haven't told her about this. Her and her sister are talking about this. Her sister came here illegally.

Her sister lives in Cali, we live in SC. They are both praising Trump big time for this. My wife literally just asked me if I had heard about this and how awesome it was.

Neither of them are citizens.



posted on Oct, 30 2018 @ 08:07 PM
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I’m fine with it, gloves gotta come off once you’re pushed enough times.



posted on Oct, 30 2018 @ 08:09 PM
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originally posted by: OccamsRazor04

originally posted by: amazing
a reply to: OccamsRazor04

How long has this been going on for...? and I don't think it's a crisis. Only in the media.

Maybe you can tell me. I would say 12+ million illegals who can have numerous children is a problem.


I was just wondering if this is something that has been going on for a century, we might want to think about it before we change it and I was wondering, sure, I can see some problems but is it really a big problem? I don't have the analysis so I'm not sure, just throwing it out there.



posted on Oct, 30 2018 @ 08:11 PM
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My personal opinion is if you're born here you're a citizen but the chain migration past the parents is my cut-off point.



posted on Oct, 30 2018 @ 08:11 PM
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originally posted by: amazing

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04

originally posted by: amazing
a reply to: OccamsRazor04

How long has this been going on for...? and I don't think it's a crisis. Only in the media.

Maybe you can tell me. I would say 12+ million illegals who can have numerous children is a problem.


I was just wondering if this is something that has been going on for a century, we might want to think about it before we change it and I was wondering, sure, I can see some problems but is it really a big problem? I don't have the analysis so I'm not sure, just throwing it out there.

It has not been going on that long. Democrats until recently agreed it was a huge problem. It was really a unified America in saying this needs to be fixed.

Now we have LEADERS of the Democrat party wearing shirts saying 'I don't believe in borders'. It's a crisis.



posted on Oct, 30 2018 @ 08:11 PM
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Obviously there are other threads on this.

for my 2 cents though,
If you are born in the US, then other countries don't have jurisdiction over you...the US does.

If a couple from China comes over here and has a kid, China cannot demand that the child is a chinese citizen...as it was born outside of China, and therefore outside of their jurisdiction.

There is no clause, there is only neoconservative xenophobia and sadness



posted on Oct, 30 2018 @ 08:12 PM
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a reply to: The GUT

Why. Why should you be able to cross the border, have a child, and suddenly you can stay.



posted on Oct, 30 2018 @ 08:14 PM
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a reply to: SaturnFX




for my 2 cents though, If you are born in the US, then other countries don't have jurisdiction over you...the US does.

You can withdraw your 2 cents
A child born in the US belongs to whatever country the parents do
Illegal parents = illegal child

But , you knew that , right ?



posted on Oct, 30 2018 @ 08:15 PM
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a reply to: SaturnFX

If you are a Chinese citizen in the US China has jurisdiction over you. That's why we extradite.

True story. My buddy had a brother born in France. France tried to force him to go back to France from America because they said he was a French citizen and needed to join the draft. They were exercising jurisdiction over him while he was living in America. The only thing that saved him was he was a US citizen and the US said his dual citizenship protected him.

Now if you apply and are granted asylum that changes things. Simply crossing the border does not.



posted on Oct, 30 2018 @ 08:16 PM
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originally posted by: SaturnFX
There is no clause, there is only neoconservative xenophobia and sadness

Yes my NON CITIZEN first generation immigrant wife and sister in law (who is liberal) are xenophobic and neoconservative.

This is why no one can take your side seriously.

Just to pre-empt your next ism .. they aren't white either.
edit on 30-10-2018 by OccamsRazor04 because: (no reason given)



posted on Oct, 30 2018 @ 08:22 PM
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Yes, a third thread

Cool all are full of replyers....I'm so curious about tellin on themselves as we have here, ladies and gentlemen.....see it.....see why I posted that?...
edit on 30-10-2018 by GBP/JPY because: IN THE FINE TEXAS TRADITION



posted on Oct, 30 2018 @ 08:23 PM
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a reply to: amazing

Anchor babies are most definitely a problem. Only in the Americas, does unrestricted brithright citizenship exist. Jus Soil, or birthright citizenship is restricted or non existent in nearly all of the European countries.
For example:


France: Children born in France (including overseas territories) to at least one foreign parent who is also born in France automatically acquire French citizenship at birth. Children born to foreign parents may request citizenship depending on their age and length of residence


Australia:[38] Since 20 August 1986, a person born in Australia acquires Australian citizenship by birth only if at least one parent was an Australian citizen or permanent resident; or else after living the first ten years of their life in Australia, regardless of their parent's citizenship status


Germany: prior to 2000 Germany had its nationality law based entirely on jus sanguinis, but now children born on or after 1 January 2000 to non-ethnic German descent parents acquire German citizenship at birth, if at least one parent has a permanent residence permit (and had this status for at least three years) and the parent was residing in Germany for at least eight years


United Kingdom: Since 1 January 1983, at least one parent must be a British citizen or be legally "settled" in the country or upon the 10th birthday of the child regardless of their parent's citizenship status


Source

Just look at the map in the source. If you research “Nationality law” of any country in grey, this birthright citizenship doesn’t exist. Even the left’s favorite example of a successful socialistic state, Sweden, doesn’t have this.



posted on Oct, 30 2018 @ 08:24 PM
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originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: The GUT

Why. Why should you be able to cross the border, have a child, and suddenly you can stay.


I get it, and it's just my opinion, but my "feelz" is that the baby is American born even though the parents got one over. Literally got one over lol.

Having said that, I totally support the President about the caravan, just to be clear, and catch and release must end.



posted on Oct, 30 2018 @ 08:26 PM
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I'm never a fan of anyone messing with our Constitution. That said, we have a major issue regarding illegal immigrants taking advantage of us. I think the majority of us know this is not what the 14th Amendment was meant for. I'm definitely on the fence on this one but I do believe it's time to have a serious discussion regarding the issue and how it's being abused.



posted on Oct, 30 2018 @ 08:27 PM
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a reply to: The GUT

I think 200 years ago when the world was a different place it made sense. In today's world it's rewarding illegal behavior. It's like saying if you can get stuff out of the store you shouldn't be charged with theft. Doing the wrong thing should never be rewarded.



posted on Oct, 30 2018 @ 08:28 PM
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a reply to: Anathros

He is not messing with it. He is saying it's being misinterpreted to the detriment of America and this is the correct interpretation. No change whatsoever.



posted on Oct, 30 2018 @ 08:29 PM
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a reply to: GBP/JPY

I only saw one in the mud pit, if there was another I missed it, if I had seen it I wouldn't have made mine.




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