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posted on Oct, 30 2018 @ 11:35 AM
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Interesting thread but I think the OP is fundamentally misunderstanding the nature of the change, you see ATS has always been a site that leans further to the right. When Obama was in power for example it was unpopular on ATS to voice opinions that went against the second amendment, that were promoting socialism and there was a strong view against immigration. That has not changed.

Now I know that around about the time Trump came into power I had a bit of a spell on ATS where I wrote a few threads that generated quite a bit of Traffic. At one point I had 5 threads all of which where the first five on the home page, but I don't think that was because the site was controlled by leftists rather it was just due to the traffic they were generating. Now something I have noticed is that ATS has never been "full of Trump-bashing threads" as the OP suggests rather its just that those threads do have a tendency to generate more traffic. Yet there have always been less of them.

I don't want to sound arrogant but myself along with a small handful of other members who are agains Trump walk into a thread like this to say our bit and before you know it we can spawn pages of discussion. This makes sense because a thread with everyone just blindly agreeing is dull and is never going to generate much in terms of replies. Also, again not to be arrogant, I know how to write a good thread, so do some of the others who speak out against Trump on ATS.

Yet myself along with others do post less and less these days but make no mistake its not because of a feeling of having been beaten by the right as such rather its more of a "whats the point" attitude. Like really what's the point in spending an afternoon arguing with someone who is politically my total opposite, we are never going to agree and most of the time can't even seem to manage to be civil. There are perhaps 2 or 3 right-leaning trump supporting members who I actually enjoy conversing with but usually this is lost anyway because I have the rest of the swamp all scrambling to land the first insult and get those sweet stars and pats on the back first.

So yeah for me, I am just a bit "meh" now.

Again ATS has always been a politically right-leaning site, I have been around these parts in one way or another since 2008.

I know though that arguing with a Trump supporter on ATS is like logging onto a Catholic forum and trying to argue that Abortion isn't all bad or walking into a shooting range trying to convince the clientele that more gun-control is required.....whats the point?

I think it is this that has actually just drove a lot of left-leaning members away from the political forums or off the site all together, don't mistake people ignoring your for "winning". Really I think quite a lot of people just can't be bothered with being insulted and trolled for not having the same political outlook as club-Trump.
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posted on Oct, 30 2018 @ 11:36 AM
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originally posted by: Assassin82
I’m not entirely sure that’s the case. I’m not speaking for them, but I think some of the resident leftists have given up on discussing politics with the regular Trump posters here. I don’t really blame them, it’s not like you can have a balanced conversation here.

It does seem as though the site leans heavily towards the right in terms of its general audience. Certainly in terms of the amount of conservative based posts, it leans far right. The question I’m starting to wonder, is how far right will the site go before it gets de-platformed.

It’s a new thing, and a site like this can generate the kind of conversations that this thing might go after. Imagine if that happened, and ATS became no more, all because of the constant stream of pro-trump rhetoric?

Not saying it’s going to happen, nor do I want it too. But, just sayin...this day in age where certain ideological perspectives are being buried, could ATS be somewhere on the list?


Honestly I dont expect ATS to survive more than a few more years. I will be very bored when that happens



posted on Oct, 30 2018 @ 11:41 AM
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To back up your claim, here is a Trump/Sanders poll before the election.

abovetopsecret

ETA: If anyone cares to look back a couple years in this thread you will also notice most Trump supporters now, were very skeptical of him back then.

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posted on Oct, 30 2018 @ 11:49 AM
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a reply to: TerryMcGuire


Ummm...Liberalism hasn't been hijacked at all...it's simply been absorbed...Libertarians absorbed the true Liberals...

The Leftists...left the Liberals in the dust as they stampeded into progressivism...Having no where to turn they were accepted into the Libertarian fold and that's where they reside today...That's why 90% of those who post here are Libertarian...

We Libertarians welcomed them with open arms...







YouSir



posted on Oct, 30 2018 @ 11:50 AM
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a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

No when I came back around is seemed to definitely be left-leaning. Maybe because right-leaning folk were taking the time to check themselves about all the names they were being called, most notably racist.

After they dutifully and conscientiously checked themselves and determined that wasn't the case with that or other names, they started to let it bounce off them and took the time to unpack the spin based on the extremist progressive logical fallacies.

Once that started to happen you did lose debates badly. The silent majority that was following along absorbed it and the tide started turning. Imo you personally hurt your party about as much as anyone on here.



posted on Oct, 30 2018 @ 11:52 AM
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a reply to: TerryMcGuire

The problem is you assume the old lessons will not help us, when that is inaccurate

The truth is we need a healthy balance of old ideas with new ones, conservative with liberal

By assuming all old ideas or all new ideas are bad, we tend to lead toward extremism
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posted on Oct, 30 2018 @ 11:53 AM
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a reply to: Lysergic

It's been a tough past couple of years on ATS.

Also, a polite discourse of issues has been hard to find. The mud pit is a dangerous area is you don't share the loud poster's opinions or you post something that is not far right.

Really difficult to find middle ground. ATS needs to attract more deep thinkers than those that trigger easily and are into party politics.

Perhaps it is time for a new category-US Political Issues-to contemplate on a deep level contemporary pressing issues of the day. That would be interesting and fun without the hate and nastiness which is a real turnoff.



Just a thought.



posted on Oct, 30 2018 @ 11:53 AM
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I have to disagree with the OP. I have found ATS to be amazingly anti Trump. There have been some stupid petty threads that sound like they came from the National Enquirer.
If Trump eats a burger you get a long thread about health and how he's not meant to eat it. It's his fault we're all out of shape.

I normally bypass them as I have no interest in petty arguments.



posted on Oct, 30 2018 @ 11:54 AM
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originally posted by: Middleoftheroad
To back up your claim, here is a Trump/Sanders poll before the election.

abovetopsecret

ETA: If anyone cares to look back a couple years in this thread you will also notice most Trump supporters now, were very skeptical of him back then.


Including myself..



posted on Oct, 30 2018 @ 11:56 AM
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a reply to: notsure1

Gosh. You make it so easy the way you just randomly spout off alt-facts that can easily be disproved, even by people who haven't been posting on ATS for years.

Luckily, the Internet remembers and we don't have to rely on your deranged "memories."

Here's the front page of ATS on Oct 28, 2016 (there's nothing for 29th & 30th) from the www.abovetopsecret.com..." target="_blank" class="postlink">Wayback Machine:

BREAKING: Clinton Email Case Just Reopened! - 162 flags
The Unjustified Hatred of Donald Trump - 101 flags
Secret messages hidden within the SPAM of the Podesta Emails ? - 81 flags
"Bill Clinton Inc." (the Clinton Foundation) turns out to be a money laundering front after all - 57 flags
Forget Wikileaks...this is the real October Surprise that is going to stop Hillary - 54 flags
Real time Facebook presidential poll shows a completely different story than mainstream media polls - 112 flags
BREAKING: Early Voters Report Voting Machine Manipulation In Texas! - 46 flags
UC Berkeley SJWS Build Human Wall to BLock White Students from Campus - 40 flags

That's 8 of the top 10 threads, the other two in the top 10 were "Is it cheating?" and "Trooper's widow urges voters to reject legalizing marijuana"

All 8 were pro-Trump/right-wing threads. Not one of them was anti-Trump. Should we do another day? How www.abovetopsecret.com..." target="_blank" class="postlink">a month earlier?

This one picture sums up the entire Clinton investigation nicely - 68 flags
Michael Savage broadcast shut down nationwide as he discussed Clinton's health - 36 flags
Uh, Hillary, Your Hubby Caused the 2008 Recession - 35 flags
FBI Used Agents As Pawns To Insulate Hillary - 34 flags
Don't listen to the liberal MSM: Trump crushed Hillary at the debates. - 69 flags
Was Lester Holt Unfair To Donald Trump During Debate? - 34 flags
Fat shaming anger at Trump proves feminist hypocrisiy - 58 flags

7 of the top 10 were political/election related and again, all 7 were pro-Trump/right-wing.

Should we do another day? I don't think I'll ever get tired of disabusing you of your delusions.

ETA:

Should have guessed the links wouldn't render properly:
link 1 shortened
link 2 shortened
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posted on Oct, 30 2018 @ 11:58 AM
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I don't know who this guy is and I saw it for the first time yesterday when Teikiatsu posted it elsewhere. I suggest that any progressives who haven't seen it to check it out. He's on your side--HATES Trump with a passion--and he'll tell you exactly where you went the wrongest---maybe it will help you come back to a more reasonable center.




posted on Oct, 30 2018 @ 11:59 AM
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originally posted by: Middleoftheroad
To back up your claim, here is a Trump/Sanders poll before the election.

abovetopsecret

ETA: If anyone cares to look back a couple years in this thread you will also notice most Trump supporters now, were very skeptical of him back then.


Crowbars that separated people 😃



posted on Oct, 30 2018 @ 12:07 PM
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a reply to: theantediluvian

LOL you had so many on the front page people were accusing of secretly being in love with him.

Now you are lucky to get one past 20 flags.

The support has dwindled... Debunk that..




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posted on Oct, 30 2018 @ 12:11 PM
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a reply to: notsure1




Slowly winning them over.

Or those who think Trump is a danger have just given up posting in those threads , what's the point when all you get in return is name calling and gifs as an argument.

American politics is killing the fun of this place for many.



posted on Oct, 30 2018 @ 12:11 PM
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a reply to: theantediluvian

A few of those old "conspiracies" came true.

😎💯😎



posted on Oct, 30 2018 @ 12:14 PM
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a reply to: The GUT




No when I came back around is seemed to definitely be left-leaning. Maybe because right-leaning folk were taking the time to check themselves about all the names they were being called, most notably racist.

After they dutifully and conscientiously checked themselves and determined that wasn't the case with that or other names, they started to let it bounce off them and took the time to unpack the spin based on the extremist progressive logical fallacies.


^^^

This form my perspective could almost be seen as sarcasm.

Part of my does wonder at times if we are all (left and right) just too blinded by our own politics to notice the insults and abuse that gets chucked around but from the perspective of someone who is anti-Trump walking I am basically expecting aggressive and insulting posts any time I post on the subject of politics.



posted on Oct, 30 2018 @ 12:15 PM
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Just to be comprehensive, a month earlier (August 27, 2016), front page of ATS:

1. Elizabeth Klarer & Aliens from the Proxima Centauri System (Our Neighbors!)
2. Benghazi emails found from Clinton's DELETED cache - 62 flags
3. Clinton Wiped Server With 'BleachBit' - 53 flags
4. Hillary FINALLY responds to a hard question. - 51 flags
5. CNN Cancels Dr. Drew's Show One Week After He Voiced "Grave Concern" For Hillary's Health - 46 flags
6. Donald Trump: Hillary Clinton Attacking ‘Millions of Decent Americans’ with Racism Charge - 32 flags
7. New Alleged Area 51 tape with alien. Claims to be human from future
8. Last call for all thinking people and actual patriots to jump off of the Trump Crazy Train. - 28 flags
9. Julian Assange: I Will Bring Hillary Down Before The Debate Stage On September 26th - 111 flags
10. #StopWhitePeople2K16 ,,,,wow thats not racist - 70 flags

7/10 are pro-Trump/anti-Hillary/right-wing. 1 is anti-Trump and 2 unrelated.



posted on Oct, 30 2018 @ 12:17 PM
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a reply to: theantediluvian

Dam av gotta give you a star for those posts.

That is denying ignorance as the old and often forgotten motto goes.

Kind of goes back to what I was saying, ATS has pretty much always been a right leaning site.



posted on Oct, 30 2018 @ 12:19 PM
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originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: notsure1




Slowly winning them over.

Or those who think Trump is a danger have just given up posting in those threads , what's the point when all you get in return is name calling and gifs as an argument.

American politics is killing the fun of this place for many.




This is basically exactly where I am.

Its not uncommon now for me to see something and want to get into it, want to have the debate, really have a good fact and logical debate about the how and why, get passionate about it all.....then think "meh whats the point, I will only get insulted and pissed off".

Don't get me wrong, much like yourself I still post just not with the enthusiasm or the effort that I used to.



posted on Oct, 30 2018 @ 12:21 PM
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I just find it funny how pro government ats has become in general. Or just the way, even through Obama, people here seem to forget the president doesn't really matter. It's all the other people that run the various government agencies and departments, everyone bought through corporate lobbying, Congress.

Whichever figurehead you guys have there for 4 years doesn't seem to make any difference. The last two years don't really look any different than the 8 before that to me. You guys are still divided based on some of the stupidest # i've ever heard, a good chunk of your population still lives in abject poverty, you still have giant tax evading megacorporations doing whatever they please with your resources and people, you're still involved multiple foreign wars and are still occupying multiple foreign countries, you still have a massive debt that keeps growing along with ridiculous military expenditures.

What exactly has changed?
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