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Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution
The Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution was adopted on July 9, 1868, as one of the Reconstruction Amendments. The amendment addresses citizenship rights and equal protection of the laws and was proposed in response to issues related to former slaves following the American Civil War.
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originally posted by: luthier
A few reasons. Slaves, native Americans, lack of young men since they were mostly all dead, and it follows the philosophy of natural law the founders used from empiricism philosophy.
Oddly enough the originalist philosophy would say you read it as is.
originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
originally posted by: luthier
A few reasons. Slaves, native Americans, lack of young men since they were mostly all dead, and it follows the philosophy of natural law the founders used from empiricism philosophy.
Oddly enough the originalist philosophy would say you read it as is.
Err...no... The originalist philosophy would say to interpret it as it was done at the time of enactment... Not to interpret it as today's Liberal's interpret it...
Originalism
originalismblog.typepad.com
In the context of United States constitutional interpretation, originalism is a way to interpret the Constitution's meaning as stable from the time of enactment, which can be changed only by the steps set out in Article Five. The term originated in the 1980s.
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The original intent theory, which holds that interpretation of a written constitution is (or should be) consistent with what was meant by those who drafted and ratified it. This is currently a minority view among originalists.
The original meaning theory, which is closely related to textualism, is the view that interpretation of a written constitution or law should be based on what reasonable persons living at the time of its adoption would have understood the ordinary meaning of the text to be. Most originalists, such as Antonin Scalia, are associated with this view.
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originally posted by: Phage
Out of curiosity, do you consider yourself to be a Christian?
originally posted by: seagull
a reply to: TinySickTears
Yes, it's complicated. That's why an EO is a baaaad idea.
You don't get to just ignore the Constitution, without it coming back to bite you at some future point.
The 14th amendment was written, and meant in specific for freed slaves and their future generations born in the U.S.
originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
a reply to: luthier
LOL, someone who makes vague mentions of some Founding Fathers, and even includes people like Voltaire as if he was a Founding Father, when he was born French, lived in France and died in France... Then this person continues to claim that the meaning of the originalist argument is that "the Constitution should be interpreted exactly as written" when the true interpretation of originalism is that either it has to be interpreted as those who drafted it, and ratified it interpreted the Constitution, or it has to be interpreted as "reasonable persons living at the time it was enacted would have understood the original meaning."
But of course some people want to interpret the Constitution as they see it written today, when in fact they want to give it a different interpretation...
You know, similar to how democrats now-a-days, and for several decades, claim that "they have no idea what a Republican form of government means" as stated in Article 4 Section 4 of the U.S. Constitution...
originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
originally posted by: seagull
a reply to: TinySickTears
Yes, it's complicated. That's why an EO is a baaaad idea.
You don't get to just ignore the Constitution, without it coming back to bite you at some future point.
But where in the Constitution does it state that illegal immigrants and their children should be considered as citizens?
The 14th amendment was written, and meant in specific for freed slaves and their future generations born in the U.S.
There are already laws that protect some illegals in some exceptions such as being trafficked persons in the U.S.
Jefferson was profoundly interested in the work of the French philosopher and historian Voltaire and owned seven works by the author. The French influence in Jefferson’s collection did not go unnoticed.
Congressman Cyrus King objected in 1814 that: “It might be inferred from the character of the man who collected it, and France, where the collection was made, that the library contained irreligious and immoral books, works of French philosophers, who caused and influenced the volcano of the French Revolution which had desolated Europe and extended to this country.”
originally posted by: Xcathdra
Alana Mastrangelo
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First: the 14th Amendment was written to protect former slaves and their children, not for illegals to abuse
Second: Sen. Howard—who wrote the 14A—clarified that
Third: I find it hilarious we’re being lectured by the same people who have proudly called for the repeal of the 2A
originally posted by: luthier
There is no arguement at all to support an EO altering the constitution.
originally posted by: tanstaafl
originally posted by: luthier
There is no arguement at all to support an EO altering the constitution.
He isn't going to 'alter' it.
He is going to clarify the meaning.
Everyone ignores the qualifier 'and subject to t he jurisdiction thereof'. That means bears allegiance to. For Dems, that means they would have to be here LEGALLY.
An illegal alien is not here legally, so 14th amendment Citizenship does not apply to them.