Donald Trump’s Cabinet Wages War against “Socialism” in Norway

a reply to: IAMNOTYOU

Ah, here is the old thread.

The Nordic Reversal from Full Blown Socialism:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

During the past few decades, the Nordic countries have gradually been reforming their social systems. Taxes have been cut to stimulate work, public benefits have been limited in order to reduce welfare dependency, pension savings have been partially privatized, for-profit forces have been allowed in the welfare sector, and state monopolies have been opened up to the market. In short, the universal-welfare-state model is being liberalized. Even the social-democratic parties themselves realize the need for change. Curiously, the American admirers of Nordic-style democratic socialism pay no heed to any of these facts.

Sweden has been repealing its welfare state post-crisis. Norberg says the country has become "successful again, but only after a new reform period, with more deregulation and free trade than in other countries." Taxes have been cut, school vouchers allocated, and the pension system partially privatized as Sweden distances itself from its welfare-state past.

originally posted by: PhyllidaDavenport
Scandanavia is not socialist....it is a Social Democracy. They are a free market capitalist economy. Standards of living are higher in European countries to my knowledge (or were until the huge migrant influx) we pay more taxes but get far more benefits.

There seems to be a confusion in the US that socialism = communism and that has been a problem since the Cold War began although I have to say that its probably founded in fact, as many "socialist" countries do indeed become communist.

Successful socialist countries? hmmm none

Exactly
The last 20 years, since around 9/11, almost everything we had owned by the state, has been privatized. We still pay the taxes which once was used to pay for that stuff, now we just have to pay to private companies aswell, for those services we once had for "free".
If we spend the money we pay in taxes wisely, we would all be living like millionaires, but that is not the goal of the goverment.

I dont know where the standard of living is better. I find such arguments silly because they are very subjective and you wind up comparing to very different counties. The US and Norway might both be western developed countries but passed that they are worlds apart.


But I was curious about the subject after seeing this thread and found some data to compare:

www.nationmaster.com...

My take away from the data is that the cost of living seems significantly higher in Norway and their purchasing power a significantly lower.

Of course that's hard to translate to standard of living ... but if for example "a new pair of Nikes" leads to a higher standard of living than it's harder to get those in Norway.

But does "a pair of Nikes" lead to a higher standard of living? ... again its subjective.

originally posted by: odzeandennz
a reply to: IAMNOTYOU

You left this part out of your propaganda.

Norwegian Statistics Bureau (SSB): It is based on political convictions

NRK asked two experts in Norwegian Statistics Bureau (SSB) to read through the report and none of them have managed to figure out how the authors can conclude that the standard of living is 15 percent higher in the United States than in the Nordic countries.


Researcher Rolf Aaberge at SSB believes the report primarily emphasizes the authors’ political convictions.

This is clearly apparent in the choice of statistics used to substantiate the allegations in the report.

– To express it diplomatically, I would like to say that many of the comparisons of material living standards in the United States are somewhat lower than the Nordic countries,” he told to NRK

Someone tells you that life in the US is better than Norway, scream blasphemy!

Unless you are have selective listening syndrome.

Lol

Those parts says the exact same thing as me, that to say that the U.S. got a 15% higher Living standard than the nordic countries, are BS.

So SSB also agrees that the rapport is based on political convictions, NOT fact.

Where in my OP do i dissagree with any of those statements you qouted?

the living standard in the US varies so drastically from place to place and city to city that there's no single definition that's fits it

Scandinavian people seem far less likely to be disrespectful a-holes and backstabbing dirtbags but that's probably a deep rooted cultural thing

not so much in the US in the US the average person is a self serving narcissist who can't be trust with $2

a reply to: IAMNOTYOU

I may not have to go bankrupt in order to get a regular checkup through my insurance

paying a 5k deductible and 200 a month in healthcare so I can maybe get a checkup once a year is dumb as f***

originally posted by: infolurker

originally posted by: IAMNOTYOU

originally posted by: infolurker
a reply to: IAMNOTYOU

Cool,

Now import 30 million more people and see how that works out for you.

Why? What does that have to do with anything?

Your socialism will not work when you have to divide that "oil revenue" and "tax on workers and corporations' to a pool of millions of people who take more than they put in.

The only reason it wouldnt work in the us is because you f tarts still believe consolidation of assets is more sane than spreading it.

We dont have problems because we pay people a proper wage for the work they do and they cant take extra from us because things like health care is free after paid taxes.
Also we have a system so far that does tremendous efforts to combat underpayment and black wages... unlike the us where I get the idea that youd all be more than willing to employ someone under the radar if it means more dollara in your own pocket.

How much debt is the us suffering under by the way?

Compare that to Norways SURPLUS of 1 trillion dollars..... yes. Thats how much they have on hand aftee everything is paid. Now tell how thats better than the crap economy of the US??

US is a joke country being kept alive by proxy of saudi arabian, israeli and chinese businessmen, buying access to your mercenary army and airforce.

a reply to: flice

I agree. the only thing keeping the American consumer alive is massive amounts of debt, in fact our entire house of cards is built on it the pay is so #ty and the cost of everything is so high that more than 60% of our entire nation has no savings

let that sink in for a minute, more than 60% of our entire population could not handle an emergency

www.cnbc.com...

oh look 65%. it's the right wingers and people who will defend their party right into an apocalypse that continue to chant the mantra, "murica best durrr"

none of those people are actually looking at anything other than the, "tucker say unempoyment wow" narrative

Socialism gave the US interstate highways and local roads, public schools, Social Security and Medicare. They all enhance the American lifestyle.

Next they'll want a "single payer" energy source.

Like The Sun.

😎

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
Socialism gave the US interstate highways and local roads, public schools, Social Security and Medicare. They all enhance the American lifestyle.

Inter-State commercial Kapitalist Kommerce.

💯💨

originally posted by: infolurker
a reply to: IAMNOTYOU

Cool,

Now import 30 million more people who want your benefits and live off your oil revenue and see how that works out for you.

Eh? What are you on about? Sounds like an irrational rant because you can't answer the OP directly.

norway is happy because leo moracchioli www.youtube.com...

a reply to: IAMNOTYOU



Don't tell Romania or else where will Herr Drumpf get His Staff for Turd-El-Lago? Look how many of the employees of that particular hotel are from Romania..

Admit it, when You think of "Hospitality" don't You think immediately of Romania?

a reply to: IAMNOTYOU


Well good for you and Scandinavia!




We'll keep our system, you keep yours.

Anyone in the US who wants what you have, well, they can just move there!


Problem?


Solved.

a reply to: DBCowboy

The system in the US is complete garbage and if it wasnt you wouldnt be a Trump supporter

originally posted by: toysforadults
a reply to: DBCowboy

The system in the US is complete garbage and if it wasnt you wouldnt be a Trump supporter

So you want to force another form of government on me.



How authoritarian of you!

a reply to: DBCowboy

you mean change the # system you are forcing on me?

it's ok the super wealthy elite will effectively manage the earth's very finite resources, trust me they care about you

originally posted by: toysforadults
a reply to: DBCowboy

you mean change the # system you are forcing on me?

it's ok the super wealthy elite will effectively manage the earth's very finite resources, trust me they care about you

I don't care about them, AND I really don't care about you.

Individual freedom, Scooter.

But I will tell you something that should make your little commie heart go all a flutter. . . . .


Eventually enough losers will vote in a socialist system and the great American Experiment will be over and you'll get your high taxes, bigger government and your socialist paradise.

a reply to: DBCowboy

oh of course everyone who doesn't think an elite ruling class should rule the earth is a commie right

guess what you already do not live in a free country and in fact a true form of capitalism probably has never exist, you are just parroting your bs right wing talking points and calling everyone who doesn't agree with you a communist while ignoring all of reality