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Is Cesar Sayoc a domestic terrorist??

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posted on Oct, 27 2018 @ 08:32 AM
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Section 802 of the USA PATRIOT Act (Pub. L. No. 107-52) expanded the definition of terrorism to cover ""domestic,"" as opposed to international, terrorism. A person engages in domestic terrorism if they do an act "dangerous to human life" that is a violation of the criminal laws of a state or the United States, if the act appears to be intended to: (i) intimidate or coerce a civilian population; (ii) influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or (iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination or kidnapping. Additionally, the acts have to occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the United States and if they do not, may be regarded as international terrorism.

The first question is, the 13 devices that were mailed, were the functional bombs? If they were not functional, then there was never any action ‘"dangerous to human life". So that he mean he’s not a domestic terrorist.

(i) intimidate or coerce a civilian population;

I would say yes to intimidate, but I think saying the civilian population is a stretch.

(ii) influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion;

This is a No, unless you want to say the bombing was to make Trump go after democrats that break the laws. Like, it the governement isn’t going to enforce the law. We, the people, we deal justice. That’s thin, very thin and wouldn’t get play in the MSM

or (iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination or kidnapping.

If the devices were not functional, then all of iii is out too.

I don’t see how one can call him a domestic terrorist, lots of other things, yeah, but tomestic terrorist...no

What day you ATS?



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posted on Oct, 27 2018 @ 08:35 AM
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Oh here we go. Defend all MAGA!



posted on Oct, 27 2018 @ 08:40 AM
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a reply to: SocratesJohnson

I don't think whether or not the devices were actually able to function as designed is relevant.

See the Times Square bomber.
He tried to make a VBIED using fireworks to set off fertilizer.
Still classified as terrorism.


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posted on Oct, 27 2018 @ 08:43 AM
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a reply to: SocratesJohnson

Are you being serious?
Yes with the intention of intimidation. Are you trying to defend him?



posted on Oct, 27 2018 @ 09:00 AM
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a reply to: SocratesJohnson

Of course he's a domestic terrorist, the media described him as a white male....


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posted on Oct, 27 2018 @ 09:01 AM
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a reply to: SocratesJohnson

I am sticking with a crazy nut job domestic terrorist.




posted on Oct, 27 2018 @ 09:01 AM
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Yes he is a terrorist.



posted on Oct, 27 2018 @ 09:09 AM
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Uh, did you just write a sympathetic post about a domestic terrorist? Look guys, they were props. No one is stupid enough to send bombs to a bunch of politicians and the media, only fake ones to cause a stunt for laughs right before a midterm election. Can someone please escort Mr. Johnson to an interrogation room? He's a terrorist sympathizer and might have info on others or commit terror himself.

Picture it: The GOP is a minority in the House and Senate under a Democratic President, as they have been before and vice versa (nothing to see here) and their leadership, as well as Fox news, has bombs mailed to them even though they may or may not be functional. SocratesJohnson would say the left wing suspect isn't a terrorist because the bombs weren't real. I'm sure he has unbiased judgement and wrote this as a benefit of the doubt thing, innocent until proven guilty etc.

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posted on Oct, 27 2018 @ 09:17 AM
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If you go into a bank with a water pistol and try to hold it up you are charged with Armed robbery , so this guy should get a free holiday to Gitmo bay



posted on Oct, 27 2018 @ 09:24 AM
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He's the next SCOTUS Justice Kavanaugh. Statute (iii) clearly states that Cesar Sayoc is not a terdist, this is a mishandling of justice. I STRONGLY advise *angry facial expression* my colleagues to vote against this case.

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posted on Oct, 27 2018 @ 09:26 AM
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a reply to: SocratesJohnson

Yes.

A domestic terrorist.



posted on Oct, 27 2018 @ 09:28 AM
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a reply to: SocratesJohnson

Terrorism, by definition, is about "fear". And, it's not about just one person being fearful, it is about instilling fear in multitudes of people beyond those directly affected.

It doesn't really have anything to do with "death toll".

So yes, it is absolutely applicable...IF he is truly the perpetrator.



posted on Oct, 27 2018 @ 09:29 AM
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edit on 10/27/2018 by Flyingclaydisk because: double



posted on Oct, 27 2018 @ 09:32 AM
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a reply to: stonerwilliam

BUT...your example is not a "Domestic Terrorist".



posted on Oct, 27 2018 @ 09:33 AM
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Its workplace violence like Fort Hood.



posted on Oct, 27 2018 @ 09:36 AM
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a reply to: r0xor



I'm sure he has unbiased judgement and wrote this as a benefit of the doubt thing, innocent until proven guilty etc.


Well, the reality is...he IS "innocent until proven guilty".

Don't make that out to be a bad thing, or some kind of a partisan mantra; it's reality in this country.

Would you rather have him guilty until proven innocent???



posted on Oct, 27 2018 @ 09:37 AM
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a reply to: SocratesJohnson




What day you ATS?


Saturday?

Your threads are becoming ridiculous. Are you trolling us?

There are legal definitions. It doesn't matter what you or I think.

Once charged it will be upto the courts and lawyers.



posted on Oct, 27 2018 @ 09:40 AM
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originally posted by: notsure1
Its workplace violence like Fort Hood.


You make a very interesting point, but not one you may have intended. ...

Just look at the stark contrast between Trump's public response to this event, and Obama's response to the Ft. Hood shootings...now that you mention it.



posted on Oct, 27 2018 @ 09:42 AM
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a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

I just do not think he had what it takes to go International



posted on Oct, 27 2018 @ 09:44 AM
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originally posted by: Flyingclaydisk

originally posted by: notsure1
Its workplace violence like Fort Hood.


You make a very interesting point, but not one you may have intended. ...

Just look at the stark contrast between Trump's public response to this event, and Obama's response to the Ft. Hood shootings...now that you mention it.


I intended it.




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