Did the Harry Potter Books have a real story hidden underneath?

a reply to: Astronomer62

Anything big happening MayDay 20/20

a reply to: ManyMasks
Hi, i tend to look for intentional or deliberate political astrology, and a week is a long time in politics, let alone May in 2020!
But i can show you something to amuse you about intentional political astrology that happens this week! Since Britain joined Europe dates have been aligned to the stars, being Sirius or Alnilam at day markers.
There are crucial votes happening in the London Parliament this week about Brexit that will create chaos, these votes happen on and between 12th March to 14th March 2019, link below:-
www.carpmaels.com...
The knives could be out for Prime Minister Theresa May the day after on 15th March, very apt, being the Ides of March!
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The Votes start on 12th March and using midnight day marker, Sirius is rising in the East, sit back and watch the fun in this Harry Potter event in astrology magic, who knows, it might work this time LOL!!!!!!
Astronomy graph below set at midnight day marker:-

The Ides of March was used on this day, sadly i wasn't able to pin point where....it happened in Christchurch New Zealand!

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You can guess the alignment to actual time the attack happened, real life Harry Potter!

a reply to: Astronomer62

Absolutely loving your OPs and threads 62! Right up my street!

Thank you ever so much for taking the time and effort to share your knowledge with us! I do appreciate it, I am researching Sirius and the ancient connections and how important Sirius was and still is!

What about Sirius Black??? He is an Animagus which turns into would you believe a black dog/wolf...

He is oldest son of wait for it, Orion Black! :O He is also known as Sirius III. Many of the names in HP are stars... May have to re watch some films...

a reply to: fluff007
Hi, J.K. Rowling was an astrologer before she wrote books, although only for her friends as a present, so she would know star names like Sirus Black, Orion Black or Regulus Black all named after the stars
astrologyresearch.co.uk...
www.therowlinglibrary.com...
Orion Black was named after the Constellation of Orion
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Regulus Black was named after a Royal Persian star, leader of the angles of the Earth, and alpha star of Leo.
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I can be annoying and drift off topic, and i really have never finished this thread off, so now is my chance!
There isn't much really known about the mystical beliefs of George Bernard Shaw, one of the leading lights of the Fabian Society as shown below:-
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but we might get a clue, as he had a roving eye for the ladies, two very important ladies in his life, one helped him being a playwright:-
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She was also a friend of W.B.Yeats
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Florence Farr was the mistress of George Bernard Shaw and alleged mistress to W.B. Yeats:-
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All except George Bernard Shaw were members of the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn.
In the late Victorian era saw the development of a number of movements which amounted to a rejection of the priciples of Victorianism, they were responding to the social changes due to the shift from an agricultural to an industrial society and the decline of traditional religious beliefs.
Many of these groups were marxist or socialist in nature, marxism become a dirty word much later with the emerging Soviet Union, but to these people it was new and exciting as a political view being theory!
When Gandhi came to London in 1888, there wasn't many Vegetarian Restaurants in London, the one in Farringdon Street was the prime one not far from Memorial Hall that the Fabians are associated with, link below:-
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Here he rubbed shoulders with many Fabians that were vegetarians, meeting Annie Besant, Blavatsky etc.
Annie Besant was a supporter of Irish and Indian self rule, the Fabians didn't like the idea of sucking dry other countries to create an empire!
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Below is a link to Annie Besant Vegetarianism and Theosophy
www.anandgholap.net...
Obviously Gandhi loved the idea of independence for India, and so he should!
But many mystics were Vegetarian like the co-founder of the Golden Dawn, Samuel Liddell MacGregor Mathers, please scroll down to "Lifestyle" on link below;-
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So due to all being vegetarian, they all sat down to dinner, and probably discussed many things, which is why they all are inter-mixed by the societies they belonged to!
Obviously another factor for mystics to be vegetarian was they were following Pythagoras.
Link to Theosophical Society below:-
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You must admit it was a heavy mix of socialist politicians and mystics!
At King's Cross Station there has been created a platform 9 3/4 because of the fans of Harry Potter, link below:-
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Next i will be trying to find GRIMMAULD PLACE, many researchers have tried!
www.hp-lexicon.org...
Could Kingsley Shacklebolt be Kingley Martin?
harrypotter.fandom.com...
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Number 12 Grimmauld Place was where Sirius Black lived, and was also the H.Q. of the Order of the Phoenix, so is very important to the story, it is said to be a Georgian terraced house, a twenty minute walk from kings Cross Station.
Because i think i know the true story behind Harry Potter, i have an edge on other researchers, i think it is in Fitzroy Street W1 London, or perhaps Fitzroy Square that joins Fitzroy Street.
This makes the journey just over a mile, and although this is for a car journey, you would walk it the same way!
20 minutes walk should see you in Fitzroy St. W1 London either way by walking from King's Cross.
But why do i think it is in this location?
Firstly please view Terraced Georgian houses on Fitzroy Square, picture below shows 5 to 50, so who lived at 29 from 1887 to 1898, i have mentioned him already?????
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What was at 17 Fitzroy Street????
George Bernard Shaw
lived at No. 29 Fitzroy Square with his mother from 1887 to 1898 until his marriage.
In his biography Michael Holroyd writes that Shaw worked upstairs
in conditions of incredible squalor while his mother, neglecting all housework,
communicated with the dead with her planchette and Ouija board:
Shaw ‘wrote his first seven plays, his finest literary, music and theatre criticism
and carried out his most active political campaigning
in what Shaw called ‘this most repulsive house’.
WHO'S AFRAID OF THE BIG BAD WOOLF TRA LA LA LA LA!
Please scroll down link above to near bottom to read about George Bernard Shaw.
www.thewordtravels.com...
On 1st March 1888, The Isis-Urania Temple was consecrated in Fitzroy Street, and is the date of formation of the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn....hows that for the "piece de resistance ha ha"
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Shaw didn't marry until 1898, so was easy for members to drop into his shabby house after a hard days night using ceremonial magic at the temple, which was only a few steps away! (Florence Farr?)
Grimmald Place could mean Grim Old Place, the houses in Fitzroy Square have had a lot of money spent on them since 1888, when it was a run down area.
You can see the area was shabby over 100 years ago below:-

a reply to: Astronomer62

Here! You! Now! You are officially rocking it. Thank you Astronomer62.

Look, i have had sincere intentions to make a thread about this. Is it ATS skunk works where some really far out theories are allowed

“Dementors are among the foulest creatures that walk this earth. They infest the darkest, filthiest places, they glory in decay and despair, they drain peace, hope, and happiness out of the air around them. Even Muggles feel their presence, though they can’t see them. Get too near a Dementor and every good feeling, every happy memory will be sucked out of you. If it can, the Dementor will feed on you long enough to reduce you to something like itself — soul-less and evil. You’ll be left with nothing but the worst experiences of your life.”

― J.K. Rowling, Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban

I feel these. Every single day. And i am losing this fight at any moment now.

I want to make a claim that dementors are real, but that is just psychotic and i am not quite there yet. Not quite there again. But this description is exactly how i feel most of the times.

a reply to: Finspiracy
Hi Finspiracy,
Thank you for your kind comments.
I thought i would move on to who i think some other characters in the Harry Potter Books were modeled on.
Albus Dumbledore needs interpreting,
Albus in Latin means white:-
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Dumbledore means a Bumblebee, so Albus Dumbledore can mean White Bee,
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However, White Bee can mean a White Wizard or Pharaoh as in ancient Egyptian philosophy, please scroll down link to "Throne Name":-
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So we have a code but no name to work with, i have an idea who the real character in 1888 was, but i could be wrong, i'll continue tomorrow.
J.K. Rowling revealed that Albus Dumbledore was Gay, which may give a clue to identity:-
www.elitedaily.com...

While looking at all suspects for the role of Albus Dumbledore in approx. 1888 that used to lecture in The Theosophical Society regarding Astronomy and Astrology, while being a figure in the Early Labour Party and Fellowship of the New Life, would be Edward Carpenter, links below:-
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pasttenseblog.wordpress.com...
He was a writer, and parts of his book Pagan and Christian Creeds is below:-
www.sacred-texts.com...
However what he says about the Winter Solstice can be controversial for some, what he says about about Osiris is wrong, it is true his alleged birthday is at the end of the ancient Egyptian calendar year, but that was no- where near the Winter Solstice as the end of the year was in the Summer.
www.sacred-texts.com...
What he says about the Zodiac, you may find interesting on link below:-
www.sacred-texts.com...
I have no idea that i'm right that Albus Dumbledore was modeled on Edward Carpenter, you will have to make your own mind up!

We know that the Temple of the Golden Dawn was opened at 17 Fitzroy Street on 1st March 1888:-
www.byzant.com...
So was J.K. Rowling giving us a clue by the character Orion Black?
Secret societies day mark, this can be by ancient Greek day marker, being sunset previous to date, modern midnight or ancient Egyptian day marker being sunrise, then align to Due East, West, North or South
It is very apt that the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn chose sunrise Egyptian day marker, while True North or Nadir, pointed to the center star of the Belt of Orion called Alnilam associated with Osiris:-
A lot of characters were named after the stars as shown on link below:-
www.wizardingworld.com...
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Edward Carpenter, being an astrologer may have picked the day of establishment for the Independent Labour Party, he was involved, you can see his name mentioned below:-
spartacus-educational.com...
The Conference was held in Bradford, Yorkshire, UK between 14-16 January 1893, the alignment was ancient Greek day marker on actual day of 14th, being as Sun set, Alnilam, Belt of Orion and Osiris star was rising, Orion Black would have been pleased!
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J.K.Rowling has said that the major influence on her writing was E. Nesbit who was co-founder of The Fabian Society that also was interested in Human rights, and also a member of the Golden Dawn. But she also puts clues into her books!
The Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn was at 17 Fitzoy Street, and she mentions Fizroy Street in novels, it has to be a clue.
OUOTE:-
"There are four English children in this story who find themselves spending their summer holidays in a dreary old house on Fitzroy Street, London (near the British Museum) in the care of their old Nurse. Father has gone to Manchuria to report on the war and Mother plus The Lamb (the new baby in the family) is in Madeira recovering from an illness. When I first read this book, probably at the age of nine, I had no idea about any of these places. But the writing is like a spell that just pulled me in to these children's lives, their relationships with each other and of course, their adventures. I am sure I had already read The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe at least once, so I was in a sense primed but Nesbit is a magician whereas C S Lewis only wished he was."
And other quote from the other link by wikipedia:-
"During their adventure in Babylon, the children attempt to summon a Babylonian deity named Nisroch but are temporarily unable to recall his name: Cyril, in an obvious in-joke, refers to the god as "Nesbit". Author E. Nesbit was a member of the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn,[3] and was knowledgeable about ancient religions; she may well have been aware that there was indeed an ancient deity named Nesbit: this was the Egyptian god of the fifth hour of the day.[4] In F. Gwynplaine MacIntyre's novel The Woman Between the Worlds (1994, taking place in 1898), E. Nesbit briefly appears in the narrative, dressed in costume as the Egyptian god Nesbit."
This is from link below, writing about E. Nesbit's book The Story of the Amulet:-
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Another link to The Story of the Amulet is below:-
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Edith Nesbit did write another adult book called Daphne in Fitzroy Street, and many think she was writing about an alleged affair with George Bernard Shaw, as well as giving a clue to The Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn, as she was a member of this order, quotes from link below:-
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"But Nesbit fled to a male lover who eventually became her husband. Daphne and Doris pawn a necklace and use the money to find rooms in Fitzroy Street and choose to live alone. They are helped by the second of the many male characters who gets a crush on Daphne, but Nesbit makes it clear that this happened through Daphne’s determination. Unfortunately, life in a Paris school has left Daphne knowing very little about real life indeed, a problem when she meets the third man of her life, Henry, an artist."
It all looks suspicious that that E. Nesbit and J.K. Rowling would leave clues to Fitzroy Square and Fitzroy Street, it was the centre of a magical and political world in 1888.
Quote below to what J.K. Rowling says about E, Nesbit:-
"The Story of the Treasure Seekers

Rowling frequently mentions E. Nesbit in interview, citing her "very real" child characters.[12] In 2000, she said, "I think I identify with E Nesbit more than any other writer", and described Nesbit's The Story of the Treasure Seekers as, "Exhibit A for prohibition of all children's literature by anyone who cannot remember exactly how it felt to be a child."
From link below:-
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a reply to: Astronomer62

so what is " teh real hidden story "

inspirations from real life - are nothing strange in fictional characters - you hasve to start somewhere - and a real person is a easier platform - than starting from nothing

and even if you do " start from nothing " - there are only a finite number of characteristics - you will end p with some semblance of someone

all we have heear - is character x - has certain similarities to person a

a reply to: ignorant_ape
Hi Ignorant_ape,
Please note i'm only giving my take on the inspiration behind the Harry Potter books, however in that process is a real story of Victorian London that has to be just as fascinating, how a group of mystics and socialist politicians grouped together in a Vegetarian restaurant around 1888, exchanged idea's that then led to the formation of a leading political party in the UK!
Some may not agree to all their aspirations, some were communist, but a lot of civil rights issues were dealt with that we all enjoy today in democracies around the world, it is very strange that some were alleged magicians!
I find history fascinating, all the nuts and bolts, i like getting a feel for the age like video below that is heavily doctored with colour, sound and slowing down, but gives a "FEEL" for the times, being laborers in Victorian England in 1901:-
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Or New York in 1911
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or even Paris in the late 1890's
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I'm attempting to lift the lid on a very magical true story in Victorian London, that may or may not have been the inspiration for J.K. Rowling.
We have had a lot of old video's this weekend regarding the 75th anniversary of the end of W.W.2. so the video's in history that i have posted are far earlier, that give a feel for the times.

The oldest video of London is below, i hope everyone enjoy's it:-
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I thought CanadianMason might like this next part and post a reply, the Architect of Fitzroy Square was Robert Adam, who was a Freemason, and a member of the "Mystical Royal Society", links below:-
freemasonrymatters.co.uk...
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In looking down on Fitzroy Square, what do you think he is trying to create as an image?
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I'm not the first to ask esoteric questions about Harry Potter as shown below:-
moviedecon.blogspot.com...

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a reply to: Astronomer62


Needs a little Nuance.
See a Catcher Be a Catcher for the rocking horse people?

Hi Slichter,
Your reference to Mk Ultra would be better directed to another member here, Michael Aquino, although he has not been posting for some time:-
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The PREVIEW for the threatre production of Harry Potter and the Cursed Child opened in London on 7 June 2016 at 7:30 pm.
Link below:-
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It would seem that J.K. Rowling was using her astrology skills as at that location, date and time, Alnilam, Belt of Orion was setting along the western horizon, Orion Black would have been pleased, LOL.