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America, Land Of Death?

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posted on Feb, 24 2005 @ 04:12 PM
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America, The Land Of Death?!

I personally feel the death penalty should be adopted only if it deters murder. However, it could only do this if murderers understood the consequences of their actions before acting, and since this is not so, I think we must reject adopting the death penalty.

The UK has no death penalty, but many American states do!

I am totally against it, and would hate to live in America for this simple reason. Death instills fear in the innocent, but I think the American judicial system itself is far scarier.

It would be interesting to find out what you yanks out there think...




posted on Feb, 24 2005 @ 04:18 PM
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We need to make more room in our Jails. You say the death penalty is too harsh, I dont think its harsh enough. People get the death penalty for killing a few people, sometimes for killing 1. I think if you kill anybody, outside of self defense, protection or an accident, that you should get the death penalty. And none of that crap lethal injections. Feed them to the lions, hang them, give them the chair, throw them off a cliff, shoot them execution style.

I think a death for a death in this case is worth it.

Im usually not this extreme on anything, but this. If they kill somebody, they should be killed themselves. Death Penalty is a better deterrent than locking them up for life.



posted on Feb, 24 2005 @ 04:22 PM
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The Death Penalty is a better deterrent than locking them up because it kills them!

I'm not saying that if someone killed my friends or family, I wouldn't go and kill them, because I probably would, but just the fact that I think killing is wrong...



posted on Feb, 24 2005 @ 04:42 PM
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Wendellion, what are your feelings on abortion?


hehe JJ's bein' a troublemaker



posted on Feb, 24 2005 @ 04:50 PM
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I've never really thought about abortion...

...But I do agree with it! In certain circumstances, like rape for example, how about u junglejake?



posted on Feb, 24 2005 @ 05:51 PM
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That has no bases on fact. In mainland China, I will be able to walk the streets next month at night with no of crime. Why because to do so would mean death to those charged. Notice i said charged not convicted. There is no difference. do something somewhat wrong and you will be making goods for the US free without sufficient food. Do something worse and you become an organ donor. Many murders are premeditated. Most think twice before doing so in the land of Texas with there revolving door execution facilities. The problem is the length of time it takes to execute. I think that is cruel and unusual. They should go to a program like China but provided no reasonable. Found guilty taken to a room and injected that day.



posted on Feb, 24 2005 @ 09:28 PM
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Under the consitution, the federal government can't abolish the death penalty. To do so, would require total disregard for the tenth amendment (of course this happens anyway, so...). Also, the Supreme Court has ruled that giving the death penalty for crimes such as murder does not violate the eight amendment of the Constitution (except in cases of the mentally ill).

The problem with executing those convicted is that too many innocents will be executed. It happens now, still. Perhaps DNA evidence or something to that effect should be required to sentence someone to death. Of course that is up to states to decide.

Also executing a convicted murderer is not murder. Murder is taking of innocent life,



posted on Feb, 25 2005 @ 01:50 AM
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Also executing a convicted murderer is not murder. Murder is taking of innocent life,


Interesting point SicSemperTyrannis. But that would mean there are far more murders than executions!

The state are themselves murderers and therefore should be executed in my opinion, they are walking contradictions!



posted on Feb, 25 2005 @ 04:39 AM
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Well as an American I feel that we should not only keep the death penalty but bring back public executions as well. And as for your opnion of our country wendillion all I can say is stay home, cause we aint gonnna change for you or anyone, hell the guardians attempt to influence our election shoulda taught you that. Best PR bush ever got.



posted on Feb, 25 2005 @ 05:06 AM
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Well I disagree with the death penalty, its a cruel and harsh method of punishment, an eye for an eye will simply result in us all going blind, gandi said that i believe.
But America and the UK are different, what works in one country doesn't work in another, the US and UK aren't as similar as some people believe.



posted on Feb, 25 2005 @ 05:08 AM
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Murder is taking of innocent life


SicSemperTyrannis isn't all life innocent?

So hang on a minute how come you're effectively stating that if someone kills a guilty life, it's not murder?

If that's true SicSemper there's a lot of people I hate out there. In the words of papa roach I'd be getting away with murder (pardon the pun)!

SicSemper you're now contradictimg yourself?!

Mwm1331 would you want to die if you were innocent then?



posted on Feb, 25 2005 @ 05:15 AM
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Originally posted by Wendellion


SicSemperTyrannis isn't all life innocent?

In a word No. All life is not nnocent. Murderers are not innocent. Rapits are not innocent. Pedophiles are not innocent. terrorists are not innocent.

Would I want ot be killed? No, But then again since I am not a murderer I don't have to worry about it.



posted on Feb, 25 2005 @ 07:35 AM
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Which state do you live in mwm?

And what's your judicial system like?

Do you have the death penalty in your state? I could really do with an American website to find all this information (open to anyone).



posted on Feb, 25 2005 @ 08:49 AM
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Originally posted by Wendellion
America, The Land Of Death?!

I personally feel the death penalty should be adopted only if it deters murder. However, it could only do this if murderers understood the consequences of their actions before acting, and since this is not so, I think we must reject adopting the death penalty.
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I am totally against it, and would hate to live in America for this simple reason. Death instills fear in the innocent, but I think the American judicial system itself is far scarier.


It's not like executions are common place. Since it was brought back in the '70s, the most in one year has been 98 (in 1999). Since it's exsistence the most in one year has been less than 200 (in the 1930's).

You wouldn't want to live in America because of the death penalty?? Are you serious?

Do you plan on killing a few people or something??



posted on Feb, 25 2005 @ 09:45 AM
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Not really killing as such....

Anyway, there's better reaons not to live in the US, and I'm not just talking Bush!



posted on Feb, 25 2005 @ 05:29 PM
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The problem with the death penalty is that mistakes get made and you cant correct them.

A scottish lad is actually on death row for "killing" a child after trying to save the child by running into the flat that was ablaze and being beaten back by the flames.



posted on Feb, 26 2005 @ 04:08 AM
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Yes, but too many mistakes are made, and to stop those mistakes the death penalty should be thrown aside!

According to Amnesty International, during 2003 more than 1,146 people were executed in 28 countries, and more than 2,756 people were sentenced to death in 63 countries.

Here is a list of all the countires and the dates of those countries where the death penalty was outlawed:
 Andorra (1990)
 Angola (1992)
 Australia (1984)
 Austria (1950)
 Azerbaijan (1998)
 Belgium (1996)
 Bermuda (1999)
 Bosnia-Herzegovina (1997)
 Bulgaria (1998)
 Cambodia (1989)
 Canada (1976)
 Cape Verde (1981)
 Colombia (1910)
 Costa Rica (1877)
 Côte d'Ivoire (2000)
 Croatia (1990)
 Cyprus (1983)
 Czech Republic (1990)
 Denmark (1933)
 Djibouti (1995)
 Dominican Republic (1966)
 East Timor (1999)
 Ecuador (1906)
 Estonia (1998)
 Finland (1949)
 France (1981)
 Georgia (1997)
 Germany (1987)
 Guinea-Bissau (1993)
 Haiti (1987)
 Honduras (1956)
 Hungary (1990)
 Iceland (1928)
 Ireland (1990)
 Italy (1947)
 Kiribati (1979)
 Liechtenstein (1987)
 Lithuania (1998)
 Luxembourg (1979)
 Macedonia (1991)
 Malta (1971)
 Marshall Islands (1986)
 Mauritius (1995)
 Micronesia (1986)
 Moldova (1995)
 Monaco (1962)
 Mozambique (1990)
 Namibia (1990)
 Nepal (1990)
 Netherlands (1870)
 New Zealand (1961)
 Nicaragua (1979)
 Norway (1905)
 Palau (n.a.)
 Panama (1903)
 Paraguay (1992)
 Poland (1997)
 Portugal (1867)
 Romania (1989)
 Samoa (2004)
 San Marino (1848)
 São Tomé and Príncipe (1990)
 Serbia and Montenegro (2002)
 Seychelles (1993)
 Slovak Republic (1990)
 Slovenia (1989)
 Solomon Islands (1966)
 South Africa (1995)
 Spain (1978)
 Sweden (1921)
 Switzerland (1942)
 Turkmenistan (1999)
 Tuvalu (1978)
 Ukraine (1999)
 United Kingdom (1973)
 Uruguay (1907)
 Vanuatu (1980)
 Vatican City State (1969)
 Venezuela (1863)

Do we see America’s name amongst this list, no, but yet we see it’s neighbour, Canada?

Why did Canada abolish the death penalty almost 30 years ago, and yet America still chucking along killing people year in, year out?

Why does America find it necessary to kill their population off, yet 79 other countries do not?

From 1662 – 2005, that’s 343 years of death, I don’t know how many American lives have been lost but it can only be double the amount of lives those people killed! Now that is one large number!

Is this a conspiracy from the US government? Is the State having a shot at birth control under the American public’s noses? Who knows?

But I’ll be damned if the UK ever re-establishes such an act of total disregard for human life, I say NO! So Americans I call upon thee to rebel against the Bush administration, to pray for the innocent lives lost, and to fight for your right to life!

Become an anti-death penalty protestor today, or die innocent tomorrow!

All information courtesy of infoplease
www.infoplease.com...



posted on Feb, 26 2005 @ 06:43 AM
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The question should be, are you safer because you have the death penalty? Anyone who thinks the death penalty is a deterrant is just trying to make themselves feel better. Im of the belief that criminals on death row only understand the significance of the death penalty after the crime is committed. Simply because they believe during the crime that they will get away with it because they think they are smart. Even criminals have hope it would seem.



posted on Feb, 26 2005 @ 06:58 AM
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I think you've raised an important point there...

...it is not a deterrent at all! Criminals obviously do think they are smart enough to get out of their crime, but they usually never do!

At this point I would like to widen this thread to another issue.

Criminals must think they'll get away with their crime, but what do they think they'll get out of it? This ties in with my statistics forum:

www.belowtopsecret.com...'

Statistically, they've got no chance in hell of getting away with their crime.

So why do they do it? And would they commit a worse crime if they were in a country with a fairer judicial system?

So maybe the death penalty is a deterrent, maybe not...



posted on Feb, 26 2005 @ 06:05 PM
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Not only do I support the Death Penalty, but I go a couple of steps further. Outright torture for those sick bastards that molest little kids. Outright torture for those true rapist. (Not statutory or the "special" occaisions) And not just put in a stock either. I'm talking about something that would make you pray for the chair. (See an Eye for an Eye) I would love for their to be so much fear instilled in these folks that the thought of "getting away with it" does not outweigh the fear of the penalty.

But honestly, it wouldn't change much. People will still do evil deeds...it will never change...



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