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posted on Oct, 24 2018 @ 01:52 PM
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a reply to: pointessa

I would say the very least it's a metaphor for suicide rates?

Is there a moral obligation for evangelism if a dr decides to ignore current medical guidelines based on religious belief? Morally, should the dr ar least give the kid the name of his preacher or faith and try and help? Seems absurd framed that way.

Maybe being able to not choose to treat a patient could be life or death? What if the leading cancer dr decides to not accept the patient?

Just throwing out some philosophical moral philosophy issues.

Have no idea what the right answer is
edit on 24-10-2018 by luthier because: (no reason given)




posted on Oct, 24 2018 @ 01:57 PM
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a reply to: Robotswilltakeover

This is way too much to read while taking a break from doing
my housework.



posted on Oct, 24 2018 @ 02:01 PM
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a reply to: Robotswilltakeover


I very long OP about 1/10th of 1% of the population. A population that is so mentally and emotionally degraded that they have to be accompanied by emotional support animals when they fly.



posted on Oct, 24 2018 @ 02:25 PM
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a reply to: pointessa

A trans-woman I know very well personally needed a catheter in an emergency situation. I was told that about 5 or 6 doctors refused to treat her until after being rushed to 3 different hospitals that finally a nurse was willing to help her and save her life. That nurse was actually breaking the law by saving her life because it was only supposed to be a doctor or a doctor supervising. I don't think the nurse actually got in trouble, but the doctors were not even questioned at all because it was within their right legally to refuse treatment. That happened just a few months ago in a fairly liberal urban area, not rural Alabama.



posted on Oct, 24 2018 @ 02:28 PM
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a reply to: TonyS

What percentage were the Jews in Germany under Hitler? Also, I know many trans-people and have never even heard of any of them needing an emotional support animal when they fly. Can you please tell me the percentage of trans-people that need an emotional support animal when they fly? I doubt it's 1/10th of 1%, but maybe you are correct; I've just never heard of it.



posted on Oct, 24 2018 @ 02:35 PM
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a reply to: Robotswilltakeover

The Jews in Germany in 1933 were less than 1% of the population.



posted on Oct, 24 2018 @ 02:42 PM
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originally posted by: Robotswilltakeover
a reply to: cynicalheathen

I would disagree on DNA testing for prison populations. They should be based on hormone levels and genitalia. You're basically saying that a 'post-op' estrogen-dominant trans-woman (who looks like a beautiful young woman with a vagina) should be thrown into cages with testosterone-filled men. This is a reason why they are scared and threatened.

And as far as I know, doctors can currently deny dealing with trans-people ..... I will check on the laws though. I think you were correct years ago, but they changed the laws more recently.


What percentage of the transgender population is currently in prison? It has to be miniscule. Just put them in protective custody if safety is an issue. No need to waste money building special prisons or wings.


Dae

posted on Oct, 24 2018 @ 02:44 PM
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originally posted by: Robotswilltakeover
a reply to: cynicalheathen

I would disagree on DNA testing for prison populations. They should be based on hormone levels and genitalia.


I agree for prisons too. But funny how its OK to base this decision off genitalia in this instance but no other? Why do trans cry foul when other segments in society requires separation of the sexes (genitalia), for safety reasons like hospital wards, refuges etc.? Or for fairness, like sports and scholarships?

For such a tiny minority of people, trans are sure stomping on rights of others, women's and lesbian/homosexuals. All because we are being gas lighted on gender and sex. Male love male is homosexual and female love female is lesbian. Saying you are a female whilst you have a male body calling yourself a lesbian then wondering why lesbians reject you and your male penis?

Sex is the biology and gender is the social. Gender is based upon the sex you were born with, roles and rules we have to adhere to. Straight men can be effeminate and happy to be male, likewise straight women can be butch and happy to be female. We all have to deal with our gender roles and luckily most of us can redefine them to be who we want to be.

Rights for trans people have already been in place (UK) fairly successfully for some years now, this has worked BECAUSE of the rigorous process in place to change your birth certificate, take that away and predators and trolls WILL take advantage.



posted on Oct, 24 2018 @ 02:50 PM
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a reply to: Robotswilltakeover

I don't have time to look it up but if I recall correctly the Jews were about 6% of the German population. But honestly, what's that got to do with it?

And as for the emotional support animals, I wasn't stating that the Tranny's use them. I was refering to the general population of the US. What does that say about the general population of the US? I'd suggest it says that the levels of mental and emotional instability in the US are off the charts! The whole transgender thing pales in comparison.



posted on Oct, 24 2018 @ 02:57 PM
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Here's my opinion...

I DO consider trans homosexuals to have a mental condition. Some may cover it up while others flaunt it so far as to make a scene in public. There's nothing to argue or debate.



posted on Oct, 24 2018 @ 02:59 PM
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originally posted by: Robotswilltakeover
a reply to: pointessa

A trans-woman I know very well personally needed a catheter in an emergency situation....finally a nurse was willing to help her and save her life. That nurse was actually breaking the law by saving her life ...


So if you break the law you should be punished. Obey the law and avoid problems.

Seems to me your thread is totally biased FOR trans people.

IMO if someone wants to change sexes go for it...it is NOT my body getting mutilated, only theirs.

BUT if I was approached by a TRANS female...she better IDENTIFY as such right away or "she" would be facing consequences of LYING about her original birth gender because I DO NOT identify myself as a trans.



posted on Oct, 24 2018 @ 03:40 PM
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I never realized that I had so many types of mental disorders till I read the OP. I am not a cat or dog though, I am a mouse.

The amount of certain snps in your genetics determine if you are male or female. There are varying degrees of masculinity and femininity depending on how many of the snps you have. If you got balls, you are a guy, that is the way it is supposed to be. It doesn't matter how masculine or feminine you are, people have always been different, but I am a guy no matter how many female snps I have because of being nuts. There are people blowing masculinity and feminity all out of proportion, a guy does not need to be intimidated by other guys, the same with women. Tomboys have been around a long time. All my life for sure. There have always been boys that played dolls with girls...actually I do not even know if girls even play with dolls anymore.

A person can be gay, they do not need to get their sex changed, that is just something promoted by people who make a living doing sex changes and the psychologists are trying to promote this to increase their cut of the pie as a group. It is all a scam and we are playing into it. I knew feminine guys that married masculine women. I know lots of bachelors that don't give a crap about women and have no desire to date guys either. I know women who just want to live their life single, they are whole, they do not need anyone to live their life other than friends. We have to ask, why is our society so bent out of shape on sex, that is not civilization. Maybe it is because they promote foods that boost our testosterone and estrogen levels so we are preoccupied with sex and ignore the government spending our tax money and borrowing trillions of dollars to keep going.

We got a mess here, there is no reason anyone needs to get their sex changed, certain people who benefit by our believing this are promoting it, they are scamming people. Yes, everyone is different, but changing ones sex should not even be considered in our society, a guy becoming a woman is deceiving others, same with a woman becoming a man.



posted on Oct, 24 2018 @ 03:44 PM
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I believed that too before I met trans-people and did more research. Why do you believe it's a mental condition? And trans-people don't "flaunt" it, you must be thinking of drag-queens and cross-dressers. If they "flaunt it so far as to make a scene" then I highly doubt their PhDs will allow that person to legally transition. It's an extremely difficult process to legally change genders. I didn't know that years ago. I believed what you believe. That's why I'm here, to inform with the latest information, and to debate with anyone who's willing to.



posted on Oct, 24 2018 @ 03:56 PM
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So what if someone wants to repair their cleft lip? Why are they deceiving people by changing how nature made them? What if they had a nose job? Aren't they lying to potential sex partners who want to have genetically healthy children, and don't want their children to have the genes of someone with cleft lip or deviated septum? What about boob jobs? Maybe those should be banned too? They're tricking people.

Let us say that sex-changes become banned. What about the people who have already had the sex-change surgery? Should they be rounded up and put in mental hospitals? What should we do with them? Can doctors refuse them treatment? Are they considered people at all?

You seem to be more informed than the average person, but what is the solution? I don't think it's actually a scam. The scam is the media making a big deal of this to use trans-people as a pawn in a larger game. I think that some people's brains are hormonally trans and now that there is freedom to admit it, people are finally coming out. But most of them don't want special treatment; they just don't want to die.



posted on Oct, 24 2018 @ 05:46 PM
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originally posted by: Robotswilltakeover
a reply to: rickymouse

What about boob jobs? Maybe those should be banned too? They're tricking people.


A lot of men love seeing a good boob job. These are normal men that are looking at breasts of a person born a female. You will not see a normal man looking at a boob job on a trans because you are still looking at a man. Normal (not gay) men don't stare at tranny boobs...sorry.



posted on Oct, 24 2018 @ 06:59 PM
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a reply to: Skywatcher2011

You missed my point, but while we're at it, fake boobs are more fake than a vaginoplasty. "Fake vaginas" use the individual's own anatomy. Fake boobs are inorganic matter. Guys looking at fake boobs are getting hard from bags of silicone. Trans boobs are often real human flesh, not plastic. Trans-women, especially those that have transitioned early, can be indistinguishable from XX women. I have a very promiscuous "straight white male" friend who has had sex with thousands of women. He's quite attractive and I've seen him leave bars with 2 or 3 women at a time, so I know he's not just making up stories. I've asked him how he knows that they were all women, not trans-women. He just doesn't want to think about it! Maybe he did get it up for a trans-woman who was very passable, and is paranoid to think he is gay or bi because of that. Sometimes it's obvious that they're trans, but how do you know that you're looking at "tranny boobs" vs XX-boobs unless you give them a DNA test? Those designer vaginas can look and feel just like the real thing. Are you going to DNA test every woman you meet? Would you consider yourself "gay" if you found out that a "woman" you had sex with had XY-DNA? Just food for thought.



posted on Oct, 24 2018 @ 08:40 PM
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So if DNA is in this mix, and genetic marker manipulation is probably in the works and will be used on the General population in the future, and science identifies and determines the specific markers which effect sexual identity, will trans and homosexuals decide to become straight / gender matched or will they be satisfied with their status?



posted on Oct, 24 2018 @ 08:49 PM
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Trannies are being used as the vehicle to breakdown wall between gender and sexuality. All part of the NWO grand scheme to erases borders, cultures, individualism and bring in a Luciferian doctrine.
See the big picture and see that the transsexual agenda is being orchestrated. Once they have that accepted in laws then they will try and argue accepting incest and underage behaviours is perfectly normal. Sum it up to say its evil.



posted on Oct, 24 2018 @ 09:24 PM
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You really don't have much of a handle on the philosophical dimensions of this issue.

Development is contiguous. From the zygote onwards, every event the mother is exposed to - good or bad (enlivening or disenlivening) leaves it marks on the developing embryo.

Now, if you think transgender issues can be explained simply by talking about genes, you haven't got a clear understanding of how development works. Genes are simply "constraints" on the flow of information between organism and environment. The units of selection are the organism; the gene constrains protein production to mediate "knowing" in the way that the environment selects.

Natural selection thus controls the direction of development, which is to say, the arrow is outside-in.

All transgender people or anyone with a deviant "identity" issue necessarily has a history of trauma mediating that deviant state of self-experience. There is no mind-vs.-matter. There is a singular process with an inside component (biochemistry) and an outside component (social or affective information). How you feel is a product of the two processes operating together. And how you identify is entirely a function of social dynamics - particular "recognition dynamics".



posted on Oct, 24 2018 @ 09:38 PM
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A cleft lip might be because of genetics or may just be because the person's mother couldn't eat properly or had permanent nausea. Getting that fixed would not be a problem, some plastic surgery is good. A nose job just to make you look better is deception, lots of people getting them do not have problems with their nose that justify doing it. I could see if the nose was pretty bad, but most people just have different types of noses, someone who judges someone by their nose shape is not worth being with. If a person has surgery or has one tit way smaller than the other, then I can see doing implants. When someone just wants to make them look better, that is deception. That is a high maintenance woman. I never have been hung up on big breasts, but some guys are. I actually think smaller breasted women look better. Changing breasts just to fool someone into thinking you are better than you are is deception.

I do not like deceivers, I do not hate them but do not like them. They can hang around with other deceivers all they want. Many people are talked into doing these surgeries to deceive others. People sometimes regret what they did, others will try to justify their actions and talk others into doing what they have done. Creating an of a kind group, reinforcing their beliefs even though those beliefs are unfounded in the first place.

I try not to judge, people make mistakes all the time. Sometimes the mistake spirals into lots of mistakes. A mistake is not a mistake if you learn from it, it is a learning experience. If you do not learn to see your errors, you will keep on making errors.




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