ATS, fully behind Donald Trump, the Liar in chief

a reply to: Lab4Us

I don't hate individualism, I'm anarchist, not left, you failed with your entire post.

You also know bull#

when it smells like MAGA

I opposed Bush. I opposed Obama. And now I oppose Trump. And I have seen many here who do the same, to oppose the ultranationalists and authoritarians who have infested the US government for decades, and their arms dealer buddies who drive imperialist US foreign policy. It has nothing to do with what party is better, its the same party - the BUSINESS PARTY. Any who subscribe to this ideology or that ideology are brainwashed, stupid, evil, or all three. There are no conspiracies, only reality.

a reply to: oloufo

No, its a bubble for antiestablishment libertarians and moderate free thinkers.

Trump is supported as an act of antiestablishment vigor by some, and as an act of pure trolling against cultural warriors by others.

There just aren't very many far right folks here.

originally posted by: Southern Guardian
What happened here?

What happened to this website?

When I joined in 2009, this forum was all about government transparency, the TRUTH. Fast forward today, a complete 180?

Has anybody noticed?

In the last week the president claimed that Saudi Arabia ordered $450 billion dollars worth of American goods, $110 billion which was, supposedly, military hardware. He claimed the creation of a million jobs. This turned out to be a bold faced lie. This isn't the first instance of the president lying, and it certainly isn't the last. The count of lies or misleading comments sits at close to 5000. Shall we add his recent dubious claim of a 10% middle class targeted tax cut by the midterms? The one that's been completely debunked everywhere? Jesus we could go on.

The guy's a liar. He's proven this time and time again. He's also an establishment hack. He's not doing sh*t about Saudi Arabia, he'll just continue to appease the establishment and please them like all other administrations before him. For goodness sakes he has BOLTON in his administration, the most neocon guy out there. Cotton, Kelly, more establishment hacks. Has not made a single MENTION about the Patriot Act, or doing anything about it. His wall?? What happened to his wall?

Seriously.

Go on about communism or socialism.

Go on about establishment Democrats. Heck, don't support them at all.

Call Bernie Sanders whatever you want.

Hoot and holler about illegals.

Complain about trannies waiving their peepees in the toilets.

Do whatever, complain about whatever ya know? But don't ever come on here, as a Trump supporter OR a sympathizer, and tell me you oppose the establishment and government lies.... because this guy sitting in the highest office of the land is following the same trend, 10 FOLD. Stop lying about where you stand.

I was going to make a thread on the same topic not too far in the future, just debating what I want to say. In general though, this isn't the fault of the mods or anything... the entire conspiracy theory world went in the tank for Trump. ATS is the same as everyone else as far as that goes. What used to be fringe became the Presidents base.

Hey, so when the Trump Tax Cut came out and people were saying that it was a give-away to corporations and the wealthy, Trump (and all his parrots) pushed back saying It was for the Middle Class. People (and especially Trump) were contorting wildly to 'prove' it would help the Middle Class. But now, in the run-up to the midterms, Trump starts touting a 10% Middle Class Tax Cut. Why? If the first one was designed to help the Middle Class why create another --- when the deficit ballooned 17%? And has been wildly pointed-out, Trump says it will happen next week. Shouldn't he know that Congress is in recess? Why has no one (GOP or Dem) heard anything about this? Is he stupid or a lying ConMan?

a reply to: Southern Guardian

Well i know the initial sale of the defence contract was for $110 billion immediately, and $350 billion over 10 years. So to claim he lied is wrong since the 10 year involves parts for maintainance which they would need to buy. Thing about aircraft is they always need maintaining.

So its actually a lie to claim it wasn't for $450 billion. This makes me severely question your sources.

a reply to: jtma508

The reason is the middle class tax cuts in the last bill expire in 8 years. What the new bill would do is make them permanent by giving 10 percent and do away with the 7 years remaining.

At the time they were attempting to get bi partisan support for the cuts so they didn't make them permanent. Turns out they didnt get support anyway as democrats said it will destroy the budget. And truth be told they are right Trump will drastically increase the debt.

originally posted by: Southern Guardian

He claimed the creation of a million jobs. This turned out to be a bold faced lie.

You liberals are so pathetic calling truth lies.

President Trump touted the fact that 1,074,000 jobs have been added to the economy since he took office on social media Wednesday... that number is accurate

fortune.com...

Just incredible.

a reply to: OccamsRazor04

And who wants a new job when you need two and a half just to get by?

a reply to: OccamsRazor04

But, but...

CNN told me he's a liar!

Are you saying CNN is fake news???

/sarcasm

a reply to: dragonridr

No, Congress will. Trump is putting the money where it should be. Trump wants to cut the budget but Congress will never allow it. Entitlements are bankrupting the US.

Sorry for your loss OP. Some day you might wake up from your dream.

a reply to: PublicOpinion

Actually that was Obama that did that. Things are getting better under Trump.

Pay gains during Trump's first year in office best since the Great Recession

www.cnbc.com...

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
a reply to: oloufo

No, its a bubble for antiestablishment libertarians and moderate free thinkers.

Trump is supported as an act of antiestablishment vigor by some, and as an act of pure trolling against cultural warriors by others.

There just aren't very many far right folks here.

I have to disagree with this. In the last few weeks I have seen threads full of people recruiting for domestic terrorist organizations like Proud Boys, I have seen people suggest we start using illegals as a source of organ harvesting for citizens, I have seen a lot of people outright hoping for violence so they have an excuse to go out killing fellow citizens they disagree with, I have seen a lot of support for eugenics, and I could go on. This isn't just election time madness because equally insane ideas keep popping up.

I don't blame ATS for this, since like I said in my above post I've seen this behavior on a lot of right wing sites like other conspiracy boards, and other groups that really courted the alt right types (video game and meme sites are two big ones). It's an infestation, but that's what the users want to talk about.

The other day in the board business section a moderator summed it up. People want to talk about politics, so that's what the community has become. And like most political issues in the US these days, there's not really much discussion, there's just tribalism and a line in the sand.

And the thing is, not even all threads about politics are allowed. We can talk about political issues like Education and Media, which used to be both an active and good forum, but is mostly dead today. About the only thing you will ever see there now is people talk about colleges being liberal indoctrination centers. We can talk about the voter disenfranchisement scandal in Georgia, but people simply want to say "good, it will help Trump get more power", we can talk about lies about the Saudi Arms deals and why we shouldn't be arming and supporting the country that was really behind 9/11, and just murdered an American resident, but all people want to do is parrot official talking points that have been proven to be lies.

If there were actual political discussion going on, that would be one thing but all we have now is an echo chamber of posters radicalizing each other.

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: dragonridr

No, Congress will. Trump is putting the money where it should be. Trump wants to cut the budget but Congress will never allow it. Entitlements are bankrupting the US.

If the tax cuts were supposed to increase revenues, then that means entitlements should now be more affordable than ever.

originally posted by: Peeple
a reply to: Lab4Us

I don't hate individualism, I'm anarchist, not left, you failed with your entire post.

Lol, the lefts position is anarchy.

a reply to: Aazadan

Even if that happens they will still be unaffordable. If I make 50k a year and buy a million dollar home I still can't afford it when my pay goes up to 55k.

Entitlements we're and are bankrupting us and Congress has and will refuse to act.

a reply to: Aazadan

What makes proud boys domestic terrorists?

a reply to: Southern Guardian

What happened to you? Why are you so quick to fall in line with the same media outlets and pundits that sold us every war for profit and downplayed every scandal according to their board of directors wishes?

You became rank and file. We are free here. Even free to be wrong. You would deny us that, even if you were right....which you people are not.

We don't care anymore. We don't actually need you people anymore.