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ATS, fully behind Donald Trump, the Liar in chief

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posted on Oct, 24 2018 @ 09:47 PM
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a reply to: [post]Astrocyte[/post]

You got any good docs to watch on whatever it is youre talking about. Im intrigued and have no idea what im intrigued in




posted on Oct, 24 2018 @ 09:48 PM
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originally posted by: Astrocyte
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Since our brain works by symmetry processes, unless you're masochistic (which they are - hence why this problem is so fundamentally spiritual) you should respond to reason and understand what the sciences have to say about human beings develop.
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Here we go again... You go on a tirade about "the elites mistreating people" then you make an argument in which either people agree with you, or they/we are masochists if we don't agree with you...

You don't seem to realize it, although you probably do, but so far it seems that you are elevating yourself as "an elite..." But in your case, and argument, you are implying you are an elite that will truly bring liberation for everyone... You know, the same type of argument which elites make...




edit on 24-10-2018 by ElectricUniverse because: add and correct comment.



posted on Oct, 24 2018 @ 09:52 PM
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originally posted by: Southern Guardian
What happened here?

What happened to this website?

When I joined in 2009, this forum was all about government transparency, the TRUTH. Fast forward today, a complete 180?



It is now more than ever about transparency of the false government. Apparently you have been asleep since 2009 if you think our government has our best interests in mind.

If there has ever been a time in history where more people have been awakened to the fact that our government gives zero phuks about its people it is now.

There has never been this mass of an awakening as what we are witnessing. Instead you want to bitch and moan about people espousing their views in the face of the non stop leftist-hate-lie-at-all-costs-to-stop-Trump narrative.

Wake up and become an adult.



posted on Oct, 24 2018 @ 10:00 PM
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originally posted by: Southern Guardian

Do whatever, complain about whatever ya know? But don't ever come on here, as a Trump supporter OR a sympathizer, and tell me you oppose the establishment and government lies.... because this guy sitting in the highest office of the land is following the same trend, 10 FOLD. Stop lying about where you stand.

No you're just scrutinizing him 10x more closely and so from your perspective Trump appears as the most corrupt politician to ever be in office. I've said before I think this intense scrutiny is a good thing because when the left regains power again they will see what true scrutiny looks like. If Hillary had of been elected would you be so upset about her lies and shady history? She's one of the most corrupt politicians I've ever seen in my life, yet the left blindly supports her and the MSM which is backed by the deep state and billionaires, so why don't you stop lying about where you stand. Have you tried keeping a track of every lie told by the MSM? Even Obama was involved with quite a few very serious scandals and was no where near the angel the left portrays him to be.

Also, judging by the amount of flags this thread has, and the star counts, I'd say there's still a very healthy number of people from both sides of the aisle on ATS, it's actually more balanced than a lot of other social platforms and that's a good thing in my opinion. What you fail to see is that a lot of us who you label as right leaning are actually more towards the center, we are classical liberals and libertarians and we believe that Democrats and Republicans both suck. Trump is not exactly a typical Republican and he's more than willing to challenge the status quo, and that's probably the core reason I respect Trump. I haven't posted any political threads in a while, I've been trying to get back to what ATS is about by posting in the UFO forum and science forum. The vast majority of my threads are non-political, that's why it annoys me when I see all these people complaining how they want more science and UFO topics, well go and make a damn thread son instead of constantly writing a thread about politics to complain about too much politics on ATS.

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posted on Oct, 24 2018 @ 10:00 PM
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a reply to: muzzleflash

Gnostic is not a term I would necessarily associate with "evil", insomuch as it simply means "knowledge", or "knowing".

It refers to a state of ones own eternal nature in love. Jesus was a gnostic; as we're all early Christians.

"Intramundane Gnosticism" - a term coined by the philosopher I mentioned above (at the U. of Louisiana) refers to what early-life trauma (as a metaphorical precursor) does to the mind. It drives people to want to "not think" and only focus on the "now".

The problem with this is that you can't correct your reflexive behavior if you don't know what shaped it. This is what memory is for: understanding why we're acting the way we're acting helps us "own" our own $hit. Intramundane gnostics - which can come from anyone religion, and indeed, exists everywhere, is simply about escaping responsibility on the puerile premise that one is acting more "lovingly" by pursuing other ways of being that aren't constrained by awareness of consequences i.e. the evil and suffering it will cause others.

By liberal, I mean "open", as in the "open society" of Karl Popper. To be open to other people, and most of all, to be open to information that could be of positive import to the human species, I consider liberal.

LGBTQ ways could be seen as "liberal", insomuch as you're seeking to help people who are depressed and feel alienated from others; on the other hand, ignoring the developmental history behind these people's histories perpetuates the myth that they were "born that way". As if feeling came from some mysterious spiritual "void", and not, as the psychological sciences keep showing, from past interactions which we unconsciously rehash for knowing the world.

So, liberal means "truthful". Compassion is an intelligence that derives from how we work; if suffering causes deviant behavior, an angry, bellicose mentality is not going to help that person or fix the social malady that underlies it.

As for intramundane gnostics (to differentiate them from healthy gnostics), they are dualists who are very much functioning as pseudo-intellectuals, primarily because everyone they know does so as well (our sense of truth is always socially determined).

It's a social thing. It's weird - strange - that a time-based process could so determine the way an "eternal being" could experience reality, but that is the unvarnished truth of things - hidden in the very fabric of matter.

As a traumatologist, the basic criteria which gives away trauma is how fast someone moves to defend themselves against paradoxes - or 'multiple truths'. A person with social-anxiety disorder (a relational trauma disorder) can't "contain" the presence of other people in their vicinity. They behave in a way that is basically comparable to what an IG (short form) experiences when they contemplate their reality with their "damaged goods" i.e. their brainstem and orbital frontal cortex equipment.

This is harsh, but essentially the truth of the matter.


edit on 24-10-2018 by Astrocyte because: (no reason given)



posted on Oct, 24 2018 @ 10:01 PM
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a reply to: Southern Guardian

Because even in his exagerations, he is the most honest and forthright president we have ever had, or probably will ever have.
He actually does his best to accomplish campaign promises. He calls out the bully's of our current world: MSM, leftist activists.
He is supremely entertaining to watch. The way the deconstructs his rivals is a true sight to behold. There has just never been anything like him, ever.



posted on Oct, 24 2018 @ 10:03 PM
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a reply to: Southern Guardian

I'm glad you brought this up.
Was thinking about this very thing the other day.

Let me put this as simple as I can.
ATS=NO TDS

The fact is ATS hasn't changed.

If you notice the people who you point at in the op have been here a while like yourself. It's just now we are forced to engage politically because of BS fake news, manufactured outrage, sjw'ing, etc.

Want to know why ATS appears to be Trump frendly?

Because many of us here are not manipulated by group think, and we don't believe everything the MSM and establishment tells us that's why. This is a conspiracy theory website after all...

I would have thought you all put this together by now. You've had more than 2 years to think about it...



posted on Oct, 24 2018 @ 10:04 PM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse


That's an interesting generalization of what I've written.

I clarified that 'science' is where my so-called perceived elitism is deriving from. I am speaking about the science of how the brain and the mind develop, and how they are equivalent processes.

I also clarified in another post "who" the elites are. Elites hold power - i.e. as institutions. I hold none - besides in my head.

In any case, wanna address my topic, or are you eager to keep misrepresenting what I'm writing - as a person with a 'secret agenda' would be interested in..



posted on Oct, 24 2018 @ 10:11 PM
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That is so utterly ridiculous.

Trump is a liar. Everyone in his administration is a liar. They like to pretend that there is no qualitative difference between truth and lies.

Everyone of them, I'm positive, has a fairly complicated reasoning for their lying, but its still, nevertheless, a trauma-based illusion to think that this "lying" is good for us.

Again, if you ignore your brain and its way of developing, you can get away with thinking "everyone" would respond as you do.

That isn't remotely true though, as science, once again, shows us. Secure vs. insecure attachment studies show that very different minds - very different ways of "feeling reality", result from early life developmental interactions.

Isn't that obvious?



posted on Oct, 24 2018 @ 10:11 PM
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Because many of us here are not manipulated by group think, and we don't believe everything the MSM and establishment tells us that's why. This is a conspiracy theory website after all...



Yet you buy every drip of information out of Trumps mouth. Anything Fox news says is truth. And IF Trump says its a lie and fake- belief without verification.

Get outta here with that gas lighting nonsense. Not manipulated by group think.. pishaaaaaw. The right is manipulated by group think just as much as the left is.



posted on Oct, 24 2018 @ 10:17 PM
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Extreme polar views are almost always wrong. Polarization in political discourse is designed to induce polarization in the minds of the ignorant. And since ignorance is powerlessness; the powerful will keep using cliches (as on the left or right) which woefully misrepresent the other side as "evil", in order to keep society in a state of continuous tension.



posted on Oct, 24 2018 @ 10:24 PM
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I remember ATS from the Iraq war days. People in heated arguments about how Bush was right and Saddam had WMDs.

A conspiracy site users, defending the US invasion of Iraq. Let that sink in.

Now we have the Trump defenders. These things go in cycles.



posted on Oct, 24 2018 @ 10:26 PM
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a reply to: ker2010

I dont know what kind of farm animals you are into but the avatar it simply a root vegetable, a lot like your POTUS to be honest.



posted on Oct, 24 2018 @ 10:28 PM
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Yes. Its just as asinine.. But somethings different this go around. Not sure what it is other than my age.. But I dunno. It feels... more divided than even the bush years. a slow perpetual downfall to be honest, stemming from 9/11 onward.



posted on Oct, 24 2018 @ 10:32 PM
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originally posted by: curme
I remember ATS from the Iraq war days. People in heated arguments about how Bush was right and Saddam had WMDs.

A conspiracy site users, defending the US invasion of Iraq. Let that sink in.

Now we have the Trump defenders. These things go in cycles.


As a vet and a person suffering from Gulf War Syndrome, yes, Iraq had WMD's.

Just sayin'.



posted on Oct, 24 2018 @ 10:32 PM
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"You keep worrying as I take my wife all over the place and drop 5k on a Disney trip unplanned last minute because."

Disney trip??? She's not 14 is she?

"Second time this year I've taken her."

Hope you had a nice time all the same, but really, if holidays are all you have to worry about, you need to take a long hard look out the window because for rather a lot of poor souls it's hardly a bed of roses out there.

But hey if you can afford Disney land trips then everything is sorted eh? LoL



posted on Oct, 24 2018 @ 10:39 PM
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originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: maddawg123

So you're lying he never said it. He said fake news media is the enemy. It is.


You know you're right, that is exactly what he said. The problem is that he considers almost everyone except conservative media to be fake news. So, yes he considers the majority of the media in this country to be the enemy of the American people.




The FAKE NEWS media (failing @nytimes, @NBCNews, @ABC, @CBS, @CNN) is not my enemy, it is the enemy of the American People!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) February 17, 2017



posted on Oct, 24 2018 @ 10:45 PM
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originally posted by: Astrocyte
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This is harsh, but essentially the truth of the matter.



Here we go again, trying to hide the real argument you are trying to make. That argument is that only "your way" is the right way. Similar to how socialists/communists have implied for over 100 years. Yet every time such ideas are implemented, instead of giving "freedom" to people, these ideas take away freedom and individuality. In your view, humans must act as you see fit, otherwise "we are all ignorant miscreants." Then you hide your argument by claiming that anyone who opposes "your truth" has been traumatized...

True freedom and individuality doesn't come from forcing people to tow one line of view. True freedom and individuality comes from "the ability to choose." Hence liberalism, as it has been transformed to this day, will not bring freedom, nor individuality, but rather seeks to oppress individuality by constraining our choices and calling it "enlightenment."

This is why conservative ideas most often are the ones that impart and protect freedom. Because with conservative ideas like "nationalism," there are a myriad of different countries which all have different values, different laws and people can choose to move "legally" to whatever country they feel truly gives them freedom, and allows for their personalities to shine.

A One World Order is nothing more than to FORCE the rest of the people of this world to tow the views of socialists/communists/progressives, and like you they all call it "enlightenment" or "progress for the good of the collective."

But the reality is that when there is only one choice for billions of people, that is not freedom. It is oppression, and forcing people to tow one line of thinking.




edit on 24-10-2018 by ElectricUniverse because: correct comment.



posted on Oct, 24 2018 @ 10:58 PM
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originally posted by: BlueAjah
Back away from CNN / MSNBC, etc..
Your eyes will open.



I remember a day when a Man who cheated on a pregnant wife, even if with an upstanding wonderful Woman would not have been considered someone we wanted as the head of our Country.



posted on Oct, 24 2018 @ 11:03 PM
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originally posted by: ElectricUniverse

This is why conservative ideas most often are the ones that impart and protect freedom. Because with conservative ideas like "nationalism," there are a myriad of different countries which all have different values, different laws and people can choose to move "legally" to whatever country they feel truly gives them freedom, and allows for their personalities to shine.



The flaw with your argument is that if there were all these countries based on conservative nationalism then legal immigration would be extremely difficult. The reason should be pretty obvious, if all countries were nationalist then they would do their best to pass laws preventing immigration in order to maintain the sovereignty of their countries. So you would still have people living within your country that have a different view point from yourself that have very little options to move to other countries.

Plus, I think you have it backwards. Conservatives tend to want to restrict freedom and liberals tend to want to increase it.


  • Freedom of Religion - Conservatives want this limited to Christianity and want it forced upon people in public schools and public buildings
  • Freedom to choose Gender - Conservatives want this limited to what is on someones birth certificate
  • Abortion - Conservatives want this freedom outlawed or severely restricted.
  • Immigration - Conservatives want this restricted and would prefer people like themselves (aka. white)
  • Language - Conservatives want to force everyone to speak the same language, English


I'm afraid you are wrong, conservative values are only considered freedom so long as you are a conservative.




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