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Poll: 70 percent of Americans support 'Medicare for all' proposal

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posted on Oct, 22 2018 @ 02:37 PM
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Something must be done about the national debt !!!!


We want single payer healthcare !!!


As a American I can’t believe how stupid most Americans are .



edit on 22-10-2018 by Fallingdown because: (no reason given)




posted on Oct, 22 2018 @ 02:38 PM
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originally posted by: shooterbrody

originally posted by: whywhynot

originally posted by: shooterbrody

originally posted by: Grambler

Seventy percent said they supported providing "Medicare for all," also known as single-payer health care, for Americans, according to a new American Barometer survey.

The poll, conducted by Hill.TV and the HarrisX polling company, found that 42 percent of respondents said they "strongly" supported the proposal, while 28 percent said they "somewhat" supported it.

Fifteen percent said they "somewhat" opposed the measure, while another 15 percent said they "strongly" opposed it.

The results mirrored a Reuters-Ipsos poll released in August, which also found that 70 percent of Americans supported "Medicare for all."


thehill.com...

Polls can often be wrong, but this number sounds about right to me.

I feel that medicare for all is a bad idea, as every government ran institution seems to become inefficient and bloated. In fact look at the government run VA hospitals and how poor many of them are.

I favor a more free market approach, preferably ending insurance as much as possible.

However, I can say that in some ways Medicare for all may be a better system than the corparotist mess we have now.

And I am open to hearing discussion on proponents of Medicare for all and could have my mind changed.

Politically, I think it would be very smart of Democrats to push this policy even harder, even if I personally dont think it is a good idea.







This does not surprise me.
Both of my children view healthcare as an individual right and not a personal responsibility.
The older of the two will be voting for the first time in November.
I suspect the US population is made more of them than of me these days. Guaranteed treatment at the emergency room, and medicare for those that qualify as low income, disabled, or elderly is no longer enough.


It’s the type of thing that your kids, and others, will have to discover for themselves in order to believe it. Sort of a fire is hot thing. I discovered that this type of medical care sucked firstly in the service. Then later at the VA. When I got old enough I thought I’d give Medicare a go and found it was better but I suspect greatly if everyone was one it it too would suck.

What they do not understand is how choice is taken away.
Who wants the government to decide what will be available and what will not?
Our nation was founded upon the right to choose.
Reforming the medical industry does not have to mean allowing the government to take it over.


We allready have that. The right to choose is BS. you would rather have insuranve companies deciding what will be available ?



posted on Oct, 22 2018 @ 02:39 PM
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Well there is this little item on your paystub called FICA, so peeps already are paying roughly 13% of their paycheck. A single payer would work , BUT it would have to be smart and there is the catch.
Insurance would have to be scrapped. Or at least reigned in. Right now insurance is just a big scam. If a shot costs you $500, it means that the insurance company probably paid $50 for it. It is impossible, to account for why an E-room costs 10k a day. Single peeps should get the same price as an insurance company.

Also, most hospitals are run by churches, so...tax churches at 80%. And apply that directly to hospital costs. Jesus would be appalled at churches today. That would generate approximately $75 billion a year.

bigthink.com...

As far as FICA, put that into an untouchable-by-the-government fund for the entire population to put into. Treat it like a giant fund...invest it in bonds or something completely safe. Tiny ass Norway's health fund is worth $1 TRILLION.

thenarwhal.ca...

I would even be up for a 1% tax on gas/oil sales or something like that. Or a 1% healthcare fund tax on every internet purchase. All going to a Norway style fund.



posted on Oct, 22 2018 @ 02:45 PM
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originally posted by: notsure1

originally posted by: shooterbrody

originally posted by: whywhynot

originally posted by: shooterbrody

originally posted by: Grambler

Seventy percent said they supported providing "Medicare for all," also known as single-payer health care, for Americans, according to a new American Barometer survey.

The poll, conducted by Hill.TV and the HarrisX polling company, found that 42 percent of respondents said they "strongly" supported the proposal, while 28 percent said they "somewhat" supported it.

Fifteen percent said they "somewhat" opposed the measure, while another 15 percent said they "strongly" opposed it.

The results mirrored a Reuters-Ipsos poll released in August, which also found that 70 percent of Americans supported "Medicare for all."


thehill.com...

Polls can often be wrong, but this number sounds about right to me.

I feel that medicare for all is a bad idea, as every government ran institution seems to become inefficient and bloated. In fact look at the government run VA hospitals and how poor many of them are.

I favor a more free market approach, preferably ending insurance as much as possible.

However, I can say that in some ways Medicare for all may be a better system than the corparotist mess we have now.

And I am open to hearing discussion on proponents of Medicare for all and could have my mind changed.

Politically, I think it would be very smart of Democrats to push this policy even harder, even if I personally dont think it is a good idea.







This does not surprise me.
Both of my children view healthcare as an individual right and not a personal responsibility.
The older of the two will be voting for the first time in November.
I suspect the US population is made more of them than of me these days. Guaranteed treatment at the emergency room, and medicare for those that qualify as low income, disabled, or elderly is no longer enough.


It’s the type of thing that your kids, and others, will have to discover for themselves in order to believe it. Sort of a fire is hot thing. I discovered that this type of medical care sucked firstly in the service. Then later at the VA. When I got old enough I thought I’d give Medicare a go and found it was better but I suspect greatly if everyone was one it it too would suck.

What they do not understand is how choice is taken away.
Who wants the government to decide what will be available and what will not?
Our nation was founded upon the right to choose.
Reforming the medical industry does not have to mean allowing the government to take it over.


We allready have that. The right to choose is BS. you would rather have insuranve companies deciding what will be available ?


No we don't.

Health insurance is largely tied to your employer. Laws prevent it from being sold across state lines, not too mention minimum coverages (i.e., a guy paying for pregnancy coverage).

There is very little choice and hardly any free market when it comes to healthcare. The reason it is so messed up is because government has over regulated it and constrained the market.

Almost every complaint you or anyone makes about healthcare can be traced back to some government regulations or involvement.



posted on Oct, 22 2018 @ 02:46 PM
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a reply to: lakenheath24

You could throw in a tax on all consumables.

Things like tobacco, alcohol, and junk food would all cost more. That way more money is going towards the health system, and those who are consistently purchasing items less healthy for them are paying more into the system.



posted on Oct, 22 2018 @ 02:48 PM
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a reply to: Edumakated

Some things are too big for individuals to handle. Like an Army, or roads, or schools. We have to come together to do big things. I think heath care is now one of those big things.

That is why we have government. To do big things. Not nanny state stuff, but common sense stuff. I am sure Americans can set up a system where we pay a fair price for health care and get good outcomes. All of the other 1st world countries can do it. Why can we?

Health care is now about 20% of the economy. I think it is time to have a serious discussion - non-partisan - about how we are going to do this. There is a lot on money at stake, and some folks want to make a killing on our health. I don't know what the correct answer is, but I do know that we will all be affected.

I guess we can stay partisan, or we can get smart and try to figure this out.



posted on Oct, 22 2018 @ 02:48 PM
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originally posted by: JasonBillung
a reply to: Grambler

How come every other modern nation can do medicine at a lower cost than the US? Am I missing something? I pay $18,000 a year for my family of four (dental and eyes included). We are all pretty healthy, so we don't use it much. But we in the US spend the most, and are about average in outcomes. Some Sh*thole countries have lower infant mortality than the US. What is going on?


The US took in far too many tired, weak, poor, huddled masses compared to the rest of the world. As for the infant mortality, the US calculates that differently than most of the developed world does, which accounts somewhat for our higher numbers, with the melting pot failure accounting for a fair share of the remaining difference. www.beckershospitalreview.com...



posted on Oct, 22 2018 @ 02:51 PM
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originally posted by: Edumakated

originally posted by: notsure1

originally posted by: shooterbrody

originally posted by: whywhynot

originally posted by: shooterbrody

originally posted by: Grambler

Seventy percent said they supported providing "Medicare for all," also known as single-payer health care, for Americans, according to a new American Barometer survey.

The poll, conducted by Hill.TV and the HarrisX polling company, found that 42 percent of respondents said they "strongly" supported the proposal, while 28 percent said they "somewhat" supported it.

Fifteen percent said they "somewhat" opposed the measure, while another 15 percent said they "strongly" opposed it.

The results mirrored a Reuters-Ipsos poll released in August, which also found that 70 percent of Americans supported "Medicare for all."


thehill.com...

Polls can often be wrong, but this number sounds about right to me.

I feel that medicare for all is a bad idea, as every government ran institution seems to become inefficient and bloated. In fact look at the government run VA hospitals and how poor many of them are.

I favor a more free market approach, preferably ending insurance as much as possible.

However, I can say that in some ways Medicare for all may be a better system than the corparotist mess we have now.

And I am open to hearing discussion on proponents of Medicare for all and could have my mind changed.

Politically, I think it would be very smart of Democrats to push this policy even harder, even if I personally dont think it is a good idea.







This does not surprise me.
Both of my children view healthcare as an individual right and not a personal responsibility.
The older of the two will be voting for the first time in November.
I suspect the US population is made more of them than of me these days. Guaranteed treatment at the emergency room, and medicare for those that qualify as low income, disabled, or elderly is no longer enough.


It’s the type of thing that your kids, and others, will have to discover for themselves in order to believe it. Sort of a fire is hot thing. I discovered that this type of medical care sucked firstly in the service. Then later at the VA. When I got old enough I thought I’d give Medicare a go and found it was better but I suspect greatly if everyone was one it it too would suck.

What they do not understand is how choice is taken away.
Who wants the government to decide what will be available and what will not?
Our nation was founded upon the right to choose.
Reforming the medical industry does not have to mean allowing the government to take it over.


We allready have that. The right to choose is BS. you would rather have insuranve companies deciding what will be available ?


No we don't.

Health insurance is largely tied to your employer. Laws prevent it from being sold across state lines, not too mention minimum coverages (i.e., a guy paying for pregnancy coverage).

There is very little choice and hardly any free market when it comes to healthcare. The reason it is so messed up is because government has over regulated it and constrained the market.

Almost every complaint you or anyone makes about healthcare can be traced back to some government regulations or involvement.


I said the right to choose was BS didnt I.

Whats the difference between the big wigs at the insurance companies and the government?

Its all the same either way were screwed.

Stp letting hospitals charge 50 bucks for an aspirin and 20 bucks for a pair of disposable platic gloves and 10 grand for evry person that get a cat scan.



posted on Oct, 22 2018 @ 02:52 PM
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personal responsibility.


that's a moot point at this moment... you could be the most responsible person in the world but if you work anywhere except the US Senate or for (Some) unions then you have terrible and expensive healthcare.

i've done everything one is "supposed to" do and i pay 800 a month for a 6000 deductible + 10% co-insurance. there is literally no other insurance out there. and if i break my leg with that insurance i get a $50,000 bill best case senario.

now im bankrupt and on medicaid anyway....

or i could pay 1600 a month for the really "good" insurance and not eat.



posted on Oct, 22 2018 @ 02:56 PM
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originally posted by: notsure1

originally posted by: schuyler
Everyone loves free stuff, as long as someone else pays for it.


I pay for it I just dont get it. so why shouldnt I get it?



You do get it, when you turn 67



posted on Oct, 22 2018 @ 02:56 PM
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a reply to: Grambler

Countries that do have this type of medicine generally have a better quality of life for everyone.

The current system favors the rich... and the very very rich. Most of us can't afford a real medical disaster (like cancer) and even the cost of diabetes treatment is now beyond most of the poorer folks in America. Enabling them to have better medical care and access to medicines means they can work and be productive much longer and they're not constantly needing to try to run a GoFundMe for something like insulin to stay alive.



posted on Oct, 22 2018 @ 02:58 PM
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If I had to choose between people we "ELECTED" to represent us and unelected big wigs at insurance companies to have our best interest at heart Im going with elected officials.



posted on Oct, 22 2018 @ 02:58 PM
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a reply to: Grambler

The medicare system in Australia works well and I think its fair. Most families receive medical rebates for expenses and medications. All children are entitled to free dental care until 16 years old.

If you work, and pay taxes, you contribute to this system. If you opt for private health cover, your medicare government rebate (usually about $2500 AUD), payable at tax time, is exempted.

So, in essence, the system is designed to focus in on the vast majority of Australians irrespective of their earning capacity (until they reach over $175,000/year) and you contribute on a sliding scale within that 'vast majority'.

For instance, a standard doctors consultation is about $75. You pay that if you have private health cover and if your cover includes GP consultations, you hand them your private health cover card, they swipe it, and you pay $X (approx $50). If you don't have a private health cover card, you hand them your government issued medicare card, they swipe it, and you pay approx $35 for that consultation.

Depending upon your level of government support, some Australians don't pay anything for the GP consult - it is completely covered by the government.

EVERYONE is assessed on an individual AND family basis to determine their level of care and support.

Look at our system, it works, and its fair.

In my opinion.



posted on Oct, 22 2018 @ 02:59 PM
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Wonder where all the money is going to come from?



posted on Oct, 22 2018 @ 02:59 PM
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a reply to: smkymcnugget420

I pay about $18,000 a year for my family of 4. If my FICA went up to 3%, I would still be getting a better deal. You are going to pay either way. Do you realize that medicare and medicade only have about a 1% overhead, where insurance companies get about 20%? to fund million dollar payoffs to CEOs? Govt workes make less than $200,000 at the top levels. The average GS-12 makes less than $100,000. Who do you want your money going to?



posted on Oct, 22 2018 @ 03:00 PM
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originally posted by: Bluntone22

originally posted by: notsure1

originally posted by: schuyler
Everyone loves free stuff, as long as someone else pays for it.


I pay for it I just dont get it. so why shouldnt I get it?



You do get it, when you turn 67


If I dont get cancer and die before then because I cant afford it now.



posted on Oct, 22 2018 @ 03:00 PM
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a reply to: CriticalStinker

A health tax on unhealthy things. LOL But yes, why not. I know peeps want to poopoo shaping how one shops, BUT, the FED does the same thing with interest rates to control the economy. As long as it sits in an UNTOUCHABLE fund. Uncle Sam already blew our SS money on M-16's and toilet seats.



posted on Oct, 22 2018 @ 03:00 PM
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originally posted by: Byrd
a reply to: Grambler

Countries that do have this type of medicine generally have a better quality of life for everyone.


...I'm not sure someone working 60+% of their year before seeing any of their earnings actually make it into their account thanks to taxes out the ass to pay for everyone else constitutes "a better quality of life."



posted on Oct, 22 2018 @ 03:02 PM
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a reply to: burdman30ott6

Simple. Do what I do. Earn more money.



posted on Oct, 22 2018 @ 03:02 PM
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originally posted by: notsure1

originally posted by: shooterbrody

originally posted by: whywhynot

originally posted by: shooterbrody

originally posted by: Grambler

Seventy percent said they supported providing "Medicare for all," also known as single-payer health care, for Americans, according to a new American Barometer survey.

The poll, conducted by Hill.TV and the HarrisX polling company, found that 42 percent of respondents said they "strongly" supported the proposal, while 28 percent said they "somewhat" supported it.

Fifteen percent said they "somewhat" opposed the measure, while another 15 percent said they "strongly" opposed it.

The results mirrored a Reuters-Ipsos poll released in August, which also found that 70 percent of Americans supported "Medicare for all."


thehill.com...

Polls can often be wrong, but this number sounds about right to me.

I feel that medicare for all is a bad idea, as every government ran institution seems to become inefficient and bloated. In fact look at the government run VA hospitals and how poor many of them are.

I favor a more free market approach, preferably ending insurance as much as possible.

However, I can say that in some ways Medicare for all may be a better system than the corparotist mess we have now.

And I am open to hearing discussion on proponents of Medicare for all and could have my mind changed.

Politically, I think it would be very smart of Democrats to push this policy even harder, even if I personally dont think it is a good idea.







This does not surprise me.
Both of my children view healthcare as an individual right and not a personal responsibility.
The older of the two will be voting for the first time in November.
I suspect the US population is made more of them than of me these days. Guaranteed treatment at the emergency room, and medicare for those that qualify as low income, disabled, or elderly is no longer enough.


It’s the type of thing that your kids, and others, will have to discover for themselves in order to believe it. Sort of a fire is hot thing. I discovered that this type of medical care sucked firstly in the service. Then later at the VA. When I got old enough I thought I’d give Medicare a go and found it was better but I suspect greatly if everyone was one it it too would suck.

What they do not understand is how choice is taken away.
Who wants the government to decide what will be available and what will not?
Our nation was founded upon the right to choose.
Reforming the medical industry does not have to mean allowing the government to take it over.


We allready have that. The right to choose is BS. you would rather have insuranve companies deciding what will be available ?

Wait, I am confused? I can't currently choose what insurance I choose to buy. Or not buy any at all should that be my choice? Perhaps you have not shopped for insurance before, you can buy whatever coverage level you like. I fear that choice will be take and I will be again forced to purchase insurance i do not want or even need.







 
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