GOP Spreading Misinformation on Khashoggi to Protect Trump

a reply to: The GUT

or give the M.E. to Iran and thus by proxy Russia.

When was the U.S. granted ownership over the Middle East? I was not aware it was ours to give away.

Good thing Prez Trump is working on our manufacturing base. About time someone did. Obama must've been at meeting with Farrakan or Ayres and forgot to do it or somethin'.

Just want to leave this here.....'working' on our manufacturing base is an exercise in futility. Its not coming back, and the sooner the populace realizes and understands this, the sooner we can move forward.

Simple maths....

make a dongle in USA with labor at $10-$15 an hour....or

make a dongle in (insert 3rd world country here) for $10-$15 a week.

Until this math is changed, manufacturing will not come back, no matter how much any president works on it.
He should work on saying what he means, and meaning what he says.

a reply to: burntheships

How many investigations were there?

Imagine if there were that many on Trump.

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a reply to: ErEhWoN

Using more logic than in the OP, the Clinton's were recipients of huge swaths
of cash from the Sauds. Perhaps it was the Clinton's who had this
reporter killed then?

a reply to: Southern Guardian

Khashoggi had way to many fingers in way to many pies, his allegiances where so widespread and not to mention - for sale to highest bidder.
His highest level enemies are or rather where second to none.
In a nutshell he new way to much about way to many and was threatning to protect his backside by converting conspiracy theories to fact in some very large cover up cases.
As in JFK, when you threaten to expose the truth- you pay. You not only pay but you pay in a manner that should put others with your mindset on the backfoot quicksmart.
The internationally reached deepstate will never allow fact based through undeniable proof to be exposed.
At end of day trump knows the reach of these dark forces and must balance the scales or quite simply join the que of those to be omitted.
Out of all this the only question im left with is where did he think he was going post exposure for sanctuary?, there was nowhere to hide such is the deepstates reach, a fact that should have been painfully obvious to the likes of him.
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a reply to: dragonridr

Sergei Magnitsky wasn't an American citizen either.

Sergei Leonidovich Magnitsky was a Russian tax accountant who specialized in anti-corruption activities. His arrest in 2008 and subsequent death after eleven months in police custody generated international media attention and triggered both official and unofficial inquiries into allegations of fraud, theft, and human rights violations in Russia.

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The outrage over his death spawned the Magnitski Act.

The Magnitsky Act, formally known as the Russia and Moldova Jackson–Vanik Repeal and Sergei Magnitsky Rule of Law Accountability Act of 2012, is a bipartisan bill passed by the U.S. Congress and signed into law by President Barack Obama in December 2012, intending to punish Russian officials responsible for the death of Russian tax accountant Sergei Magnitsky in a Moscow prison in 2009.

Since 2016 the bill, which applies globally, authorizes government to sanction human rights offenders, freeze their assets, and ban them from entering the U.S

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Khashoggi's abduction, torture and murder are violations that fall under the Magnitski Act, and Saudi Arabia needs to be held accountable under the ACT. The world is watching.

GOP spreading disinformation about something ! good point !

What happens to Trump's campaign after Khashoggi's death ? What do you think ?
Will Trump's save of the weapons deal with Saudi Arabia give the GOP an edge at election , or do you think that US citizens will care more about a dead ultra rich billionaire oligarch's death, and blame the GOP for not cancelling the weapons deal ?

Any clues !

Please tell me on what basis the US should be involved in this situation? A crime in the Saudi embassy in Turkey where Saudi's killed one of their own? I don't see a basis for US involvement.

Khashoggi is a Saudi. He is not protected by our laws in the USA pertaining to freedom of speech. According to the Saudi's he died in a fight on Saudi soil. You would think that he would not dare step onto Saudi Soil after he cut down the Saudi hierarchy in an news article, that was stupid to go there. It is not our business, he is not an American citizen.

A lot of people in this world die for things like that, we cannot force our doctrine on another country. We have no right to do so. If we start doing that, then we have to allow other countries control over our internal policies.

a reply to: rickymouse


It wasn't an embassy, it was a consulate. It wasn't Saudi soil, it was Turkish soil. He was a legal American resident, employed as a journalist for the Washington Post, an American media outlet, that IS covered by US Free Speech. But also, Khashoggi was protected by international human rights laws, that the Saudis violated.

a reply to: 727Sky

Yes and more yeses ! From everything I have read he was a big supporter/member of the Muslim Brotherhood...

Barry set them up to control Egypt
So , yes.

originally posted by: Southern Guardian
a reply to: schuyler

How many Blacks were killed by Blacks in Chicago today?

When last did you go to Chicago to address that situation? Or is this just a talking point you got from the rightwing echochamber and you actually don't give a damn.

When was the last time you went to Saudi Arabia to address the situation ?

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: rickymouse


It wasn't an embassy, it was a consulate. It wasn't Saudi soil, it was Turkish soil. He was a legal American resident, employed as a journalist for the Washington Post, an American media outlet, that IS covered by US Free Speech. But also, Khashoggi was protected by international human rights laws, that the Saudis violated.

Ok first he was a Saudi citizen he was in the US on a work visa. Basically, rich people buy o visas to stay in the US for up to 3 years. Next a consulate has the same protections as an Embassy per agreements by the host government. All Embassy still belong to the nation they are in it isnt foreign soil. But the host country does agree they cant enter the diplomatic grounds without permission. So you were wrong on almost every point you made.

Oh forgot one more thing there is no international jurisdiction the country in question has to sign a treaty giving jurisdiction to the international court. By the way the US has not even done this yet.

I'm no fan of Saudi Arabia... but what exactly is Trump suppose to do? Charge them with a crime? Charge who? And for what? I'm also no fan of Turkey, the same government that was buying ISIS oil for years and denying it the entire time. Very sketchy situation here.

a reply to: dragonridr

Ok first he was a Saudi citizen he was in the US on a work visa.

He was a self exiled Saudi citizen, living in the Virginia with a Green Card, working as a columnist for the Washington Post.

Next, a consulate is not an embassy. There is "disinformation" out there conflating the two.

While Embassy is the diplomatic representation of a government in another nation, Consulate is the representation of public administration. Embassies exchange messages between its government and the host government. Consulates are only responsible for its own citizens who are traveling or living in the host nation.
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The consulates are also responsible for informing its citizens about all security issues. Consulates are also entrusted with the responsibility of looking after its citizens in case of detention or arrest.
Though both Embassies and Consulates represent its government in a foreign country, they have totally different responsibilities and different roles to play.

Read more: Difference Between Embassy and Consulate | Difference Between www.differencebetween.net...

All Embassy still belong to the nation they are in it isnt foreign soil. But the host country does agree they cant enter the diplomatic grounds without permission.

So, you agree that the consulate isn't "Saudi soil". They are given accommodations by the host government in which the receiving country may conduct it's mission. Their mission doesn't include abducting and murdering their citizens using the consulate for personal business. That is a violation of the contract with the host state and the international Magnitski Act.

you were wrong on almost every point you made

Nope. I was correct on every point.

a reply to: Sookiechacha

Are those goalposts heavy? Of course, there is a difference between an embassy and a consulate they have two different jobs. An embassy can do everything a consulate can but additionally can contact foreign government through the ambassador. But from a standpoint of who can access them, there is no difference. You implied somehow being a consulate gave the Turkish government access it does not. The only way they can gain access is to break off diplomatic relations. As far as US help someone holding a temporary worker’s visa, like an O-Visa, isn’t technically entitled to US consular protection. If they were travelling abroad and needed assistance, they would be directed to the embassy of their own citizenship. So he would be told to go to the Saudi Consulate.

What does him having a green card prove he wasn't here on a work visa. Do you even understand what you're talking about? H was given an O visa in 2017. That means some people very high up decided he can work in the US. A green card as you say is any visa that is acquired through your employer. Being he had an O visa it was a green card guessing you haven't figured that out yet. The people that get these are usually very rich they have nothing to do with citizenship.

So now that I know Arguing with you is pointless you can't even admit you are mistaken so why waste my time talking to you . No need to continue this further until you admit you were misinformed than we can move forward.

originally posted by: CharlesT
Please tell me on what basis the US should be involved in this situation? A crime in the Saudi embassy in Turkey where Saudi's killed one of their own? I don't see a basis for US involvement.

US involvement is the number 1 clue here, think 911, think HC, think the so called perp who died in car crash was a mr Adnan Khashoggi, jamals uncle.
Think perps story a front for killing all associated with jamal's exposure plan.
Think its time to button up the hatches.

a reply to: dragonridr


Facts are not heavy. They are immovable. That is unless, of course, you're working with alternative facts.

Jamal Khashoggi was a self exiled, Saudi citizen and green card holding US resident, working as a columnist for as US media outlet, The Washington Post. He disappeared from a consulate, not an embassy, on Turkish soil, where he was taking care of his own personal business. dansdigitaldive.com...

These are the facts, and facts are the only thing I'm arguing in this thread about the disinformation being disseminated regarding this man's disappearance and subsequent death.

Do you really think your average American household gives a flying flip about Kashoggi? It is a loser issue and won’t affect voting at all. It’s about being able to have a job and feed your family just like it always has been.