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posted on Oct, 19 2018 @ 05:44 PM
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That's Not Going to Happen . The Reps are in Position to have a Possible 60 Seat Super Majority in the Senate if the American People Wake the Hell Up and Vote them in to Continue President Trump's Making America Great Again Campaign . Time Will Tell , this Could be the Most Important Mid Term Election in American History .............






posted on Oct, 19 2018 @ 05:44 PM
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That's what it's all about, for both parties: the unbridled yearning for power. The Republicans are at least trying to do something for their constituency at this time (albeit as little as they can get by with), but the Democrats appear to have completely abandoned their constituency.

I have to point out one verse from the Bible, Genesis 1:26:

And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth


That's a lot of dominion... but God left out one thing that man does not have dominion over: other people. That seems to be the one thing people crave above all else.

TheRedneck



posted on Oct, 20 2018 @ 07:50 AM
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originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: seagull

That's what it's all about, for both parties: the unbridled yearning for power. The Republicans are at least trying to do something for their constituency at this time (albeit as little as they can get by with), but the Democrats appear to have completely abandoned their constituency.

I have to point out one verse from the Bible, Genesis 1:26:

And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth


That's a lot of dominion... but God left out one thing that man does not have dominion over: other people. That seems to be the one thing people crave above all else.

TheRedneck


I guess you missed a few things about the GOP.


One they have created a 780 billion deficit this year. That is stimulus level debt. So like I said the tax cut will only be a cit in revenue since they will continue on the exact same budget increase path.

You may have missed that they ran on anti Obamacare for more than 4 years and then had no plan to repeal or replace it.

I used to be a Republican minded person until I awoke and found there aren't any Republicans left. Just fake neoconservatives.

Also important to point out Republicans are the minority Democrats only a few points above them and independents make up the majority by about 20 percentage points over Republican or Democrats in registered voter numbers.

So guess who gets screwed every election when these people get elected and pledge loyalty to the party over America and the majority of people?

Sick of hearing we could do it if it wasn't for the other side. I would love to hear that excuse in a ballgame. Sorry coach I could hit the ball but he throws junk i can't see coming or know how to hit out of the park.
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posted on Oct, 20 2018 @ 08:35 AM
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No, I haven't missed anything. The last budget was crap. They failed to implement a replacement for Obamacare. I know all that.

But they did implement a tax cut; Trump has stimulated the economy; Trump did manage to start negotiations with North Korea and get soldiers' remains returned; Trump did manage to renegotiate NAFTA.

What have the Democrats done?
  • Opposed the tax cut, claiming extra money for working people was "crumbs."
  • Complained about cutting regulations.
  • Downplayed the economic recovery.
  • Tried to give Obama credit for the recovery when downplaying it didn't work.
  • Tried to shame Trump for starting talks with North Korea.
  • Called for violence against conservatives.
  • Tried to blame Republicans for the violence they called for.
  • Allowed one of their followers to shoot Steve Scalise.
  • Threatened conservatives with more violence.
  • Turned a blind eye to ANTIFA violence.
  • Started an investigation into Trump that wound up finding no evidence against him, but plenty against them.
  • Completely ignored the evidence against them.
  • Spread rumors about things that never happened.
  • Complained about Trump's willingness to meet with Kim Jong Un.
  • Called for war with Russia over nothing.
  • Left the DACA recipients to the mercy of the courts.
  • Tried desperately to destroy a man's life and family over an (apparently false) allegation.
  • Complained when that man stood up for himself and his family against their bully tactics.

    And don't forget their most stellar achievement...

  • Complained about Trump having two scoops of ice cream.

TheRedneck



posted on Oct, 20 2018 @ 08:56 AM
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originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: luthier

No, I haven't missed anything. The last budget was crap. They failed to implement a replacement for Obamacare. I know all that.

But they did implement a tax cut; Trump has stimulated the economy; Trump did manage to start negotiations with North Korea and get soldiers' remains returned; Trump did manage to renegotiate NAFTA.

What have the Democrats done?
  • Opposed the tax cut, claiming extra money for working people was "crumbs."
  • Complained about cutting regulations.
  • Downplayed the economic recovery.
  • Tried to give Obama credit for the recovery when downplaying it didn't work.
  • Tried to shame Trump for starting talks with North Korea.
  • Called for violence against conservatives.
  • Tried to blame Republicans for the violence they called for.
  • Allowed one of their followers to shoot Steve Scalise.
  • Threatened conservatives with more violence.
  • Turned a blind eye to ANTIFA violence.
  • Started an investigation into Trump that wound up finding no evidence against him, but plenty against them.
  • Completely ignored the evidence against them.
  • Spread rumors about things that never happened.
  • Complained about Trump's willingness to meet with Kim Jong Un.
  • Called for war with Russia over nothing.
  • Left the DACA recipients to the mercy of the courts.
  • Tried desperately to destroy a man's life and family over an (apparently false) allegation.
  • Complained when that man stood up for himself and his family against their bully tactics.

    And don't forget their most stellar achievement...

  • Complained about Trump having two scoops of ice cream.

TheRedneck



Like I said. Totally meaningless achievements.

There was no evidence the budget would ever be changed and there is no evidence now it will with the remaining members of congress. Tax cuts are smoke and mirrors trading today for tomorrow. The budget deficit actually creates currency devaluation. Also provides income to our competitors in the form of interest we owe.

I am a conservative of sorts but don't fully agree with just cutting regulations. Particularly when they effect public health and ground water pollution. So again this isn't a blanket good, and it's not just me its independants as a whole.

You also listed mostly talking points that have a great deal of lopsided observation.


I will not be voting for anyone in office. Just because one side tells me the lies I want to hear in particular...
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posted on Oct, 20 2018 @ 09:04 AM
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a reply to: TheRedneck

You must think obama hit a home run bring unemployment from 9 percent to 4.7. I mean he even had the same deficit numbers.

Trump economy being best case scenario with a budget deficit of nearly a trillion is something to be very concerned about. Imagine if we have a hiccu

Alas the difference of a good and bad economist is a bad one only sites what is immediately seen, and a good one has the ability to foresee unintended consequences of interventionary policy.

In actual economic terms the market is intervened on when it's taken from its current state that business has evolved around and changed. It is not being restored when policies you don't like are removed.
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posted on Oct, 20 2018 @ 09:37 AM
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That appears to be our primary disagreement: whether or not the Republicans are as bad as the Democrats. Understand that two years ago I would have agreed with you, and to some extent i still do. I do not trust the Republicans.

But the amount of vitriol and hatred stemming from the left today simply cannot be ignored. It overshadows the bad in the Republican party. In the past, I have compared both parties to an infestation of cockroaches; today, I compare the Republicans to an infestation of cockroaches and the Democrats to an infestation of starving, ravenous rats. I want rid of both, but the immediate issue is the rats.

Like it or not, we have a two-party system. We have to choose, whether we are Republican, Democrat, or Independent, between the two parties. I don't like it, but I can't change it. I tried in 2012... I voted Libertarian and actively encouraged everyone I knew to vote Libertarian. I didn't do that because I liked the candidate (I didn't), but because I wanted them to get that required 5% of the vote to get Federal money next time and give us a choice.

Guess what? They didn't even get close! No one else seemed to care, despite the fact that neither major party ran someone worth spitting on. In 2016, for the first time in my life, I voted for someone... someone the Democrats hated and the Republicans hated. I figured if both heads of the snake were upset with him, then he must be doing something right. Turns out I was right... Trump has improved the economy and kept a large percentage of his campaign promises. He is our chance to wipe away at least some of the corruption in DC without the Herculean task of trying to get a third party involved, a task which, I add, has never succeeded despite being called for for decades. Now, however, the left has literally declared war on me. People are being beat up in the street for wearing a damn hat. Democratic leaders are threatening conservatives with physical violence if they don't vote Democrat.

We're beyond "both sides are bad." They are, but one side is literally out of control. I'm sorry your ideology is preventing you from seeing that, because that blindness is preventing you from seeing something much worse coming than just dealing with a two-headed snake. We're heading for either a true oligarchy or a civil war. Either will make your argument moot.

TheRedneck



posted on Oct, 20 2018 @ 09:49 AM
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See I disagree. Why. Because it's very easy to see you bought a narrative. You believe what the political election strategy of the Republican party is saying. I do not.

Why? Because college kids going nuts isn't a real threat at this point. In fact I remember the WTO and IMF protests and such when I was in college.

There is no better party. Though I understand why the parties don't want you to realize this.

You hit the nail on the head though as far as our civil war and war on civility being the biggest threat.

We have a president, the media, and the democratic party, as well as some Republicans acting very uncivilized.

Until presidents, the public, and Congress stop believing their election win means the public gives you the permission to ignore half the population and even their own constituents for the sake of party we are doomed.

Until we get a Reagan or a JFK not policy but uniters, no policy in the world from any party will save us.

Our problems are internal, self inflicted much of the time, and deep. This other stuff tariffs etc..are a result of internal problems. Not external. It's like putting lotion on your skin for cancer because its itchy.

Its moot logically yo try and fix external problems when the foundation is in disrepair.

Until the public comes together and votes for new leadership across the board we will continue this path.

Believing otherwise is literally denial. Wanting a single person to change the system is treason to our foundation imo.

People need to stop pretending only their opinion matters and realize the public all has rights. Including liberals who are being stereotyped for the election.

Replace liberal with jew, or Christian and ask yourself if it's ok to label, critisize for beliefs etc...the right is just as wrong here. And frankly if you look at what the majority (independents) say this is a common theme.

Republicans have 27 percent of registered voters. That shouldn't give them confidence to be dictators but pressure to listen and compromise.

Blaming the other side by any party is not acceptable. It's not acceptable anywhere..in business, in sports etc..my boss doesn't care if I say but the Chinese can do it cheaper...I was hired to find a better way and a way around it and always have.


Yeah I am ideological. At least it's my own and I am not carrying water for liars.

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posted on Oct, 20 2018 @ 10:20 AM
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A few jokes to get the blood boiling because they are true. Literally.


What is the difference between a Republican and Democrat?
One believes they need to raise taxes and revenue for their inflated pork filled budgets, the other doesn't.


What is the difference between Republican and Democrat policy on illegals? One party says they want amnesty and open borders, the other silently helps let them in.

What is the difference in foreign policy between Republicans and Democrats. One apologises for repeatedly invading and killing people while repeatedly killing and invading, the other side doesn't apologize.



posted on Oct, 20 2018 @ 11:01 AM
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See I disagree. Why. Because it's very easy to see you bought a narrative. You believe what the political election strategy of the Republican party is saying. I do not.

That's quite an election strategy. I know people who have been threatened, one of them just for "looking like a conservative" (he isn't). That's not buying into any media; it's personal knowledge.

If you look back beyond the present situations, you will see where I have always been self-minded, questioning everything because I don't trust either party. The difference between then and now is that I don't need to trust the Republicans to see what's happening. It's in our faces.


Because college kids going nuts isn't a real threat at this point. In fact I remember the WTO and IMF protests and such when I was in college.

I'll admit I am upset at the college protests against free speech... that's because I see academia as above all of this petty bickering, or at least it should be. That goes for earlier protests as well.

But I'm not even talking about Berkeley now. It's not colleges that are the target: it's cities. Entire sections of cities are being taken over and used to riot and threaten the citizens. The personal stories I mentioned above were not even in a college campus.


Until we get a Reagan or a JFK not policy but uniters, no policy in the world from any party will save us.

In order to unite, both sides must be willing to talk. That is the issue here.... we have no lines of communication left to utilize. The left demands violence, and no amount of talking will change that.


Our problems are internal, self inflicted much of the time, and deep. This other stuff tariffs etc..are a result of internal problems. Not external. It's like putting lotion on your skin for cancer because its itchy.

I agree. The problems are indeed internal, and that is the reason for my concern. I simply do not see any way to correct the problems without some sort of purge of the present system... and I believe that purge should begin with the worst offenders, regardless of party.

The worst offenders happen to be Democrats at this time. I'm certain we'll get the opportunity to apply this purge to plenty of Republicans before all is said and done.


Replace liberal with jew, or Christian and ask yourself if it's ok to label, critisize for beliefs etc...the right is just as wrong here. And frankly if you look at what the majority (independents) say this is a common theme.

I see no problem with criticizing for beliefs... I do not believe as the Muslims do, not even exactly as the Catholics do. I will criticize those beliefs, as well as support their right to have them. That's called a free exchange of ideas. It's what you and I are doing here. Nothing wrong with that.

When it crosses from critique into violence is where I take great exception. It has crossed that line. I will continue to denounce and condemn the Democratic party (and allow me emphasize that is different than Democratic voters) as long as they call for and implicitly condone violence to enforce their beliefs, just as I will condemn any group that uses violence against another, including the Jews or Christians, to enforce their beliefs.


Republicans have 27 percent of registered voters. That shouldn't give them confidence to be dictators but pressure to listen and compromise.

You keep repeating that fact. You are aware I am an Independent, right?

TheRedneck



posted on Oct, 20 2018 @ 11:02 AM
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No blood boiling here.... those are actually funny.

TheRedneck



posted on Oct, 20 2018 @ 11:08 AM
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For an independent you sure carry a lot of water.

Can you list all the Democrats running calling for violence?

How do you feel about the president joking about the violent politician who body slammed the reporter?

How about trump's calls for violence?

Nah you aren't as independent as you think.

If you were you would consider the democratic voters and liberals they are your neighbors and friends.

Instead you carry the narrative they are dangerous.


Sorry if you are getting threatened in Alabama and south Carolina, Texas, arkansas, Kansas, etc I don't believe you. In fact you seem to ignore what happens to liberals there. Like say on UNC campus in SC..

The blame game doesn't fix anything, nor does voting for a slower death. IMO. But you could be right. I can't say you are wrong.

Also independents surveyed usually don't think Republicans and Democrats are very good at immigration policy. Why would we expect the Republicans and Democrats with decades in office to suddenly become moral geniuses?

Just a reminder of 08 and political sentiment of losers.

youtu.be...
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posted on Oct, 20 2018 @ 11:35 AM
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Can you list all the Democrats running calling for violence?

No, because I have lost count. I can off the top of my head mention Hillary Clinton, Eric Holder, Nancy Pelosi and Maxine Waters. I can't remember if Charles Schumer has made any violence-supporting comments or not, but I'm sure he will given time.

Oh, and don't forget Joe Biden and the Creepy Porn Lawyer, both wanting a fist fight with Trump and his son, respectively.


How do you feel about the president joking about the violent politician who body slammed the reporter?

I believe it was a mistake to say it. If any violence comes from it, I will be calling for him to openly and quickly denounce it, or I will be lumping him in with the aforementioned. So far, that hasn't happened.


How about trump's calls for violence?

The only calls for violence I remember concerned self-defense against instigators. The violence at his rallies was almost all limited to protestors becoming violent toward his supporters.

Do you not see a difference between the instigator of violence and the self-defense against that instigator?


Nah you aren't as independent as you think.

If you were you would consider the democratic voters and liberals they are your neighbors and friends.

Instead you carry the narrative they are dangerous.

Now you're either being disingenuous or you simply don't read my posts. I make a distinction between the DNC leadership and the average person who holds a different political opinion than I.

I have been debating based on acceptance of the fact that you claim to be independent. I now see this is not the case. Your bias is becoming clear, as usually happens right about the time someone claiming to be Independent decides to challenge my voting record. I would hazard to say you have never pulled a lever in your life for a Republican.

I actually voted for Obama in 2008.

TheRedneck



posted on Oct, 20 2018 @ 11:40 AM
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originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: luthier


Can you list all the Democrats running calling for violence?

No, because I have lost count. I can off the top of my head mention Hillary Clinton, Eric Holder, Nancy Pelosi and Maxine Waters. I can't remember if Charles Schumer has made any violence-supporting comments or not, but I'm sure he will given time.

Oh, and don't forget Joe Biden and the Creepy Porn Lawyer, both wanting a fist fight with Trump and his son, respectively.


How do you feel about the president joking about the violent politician who body slammed the reporter?

I believe it was a mistake to say it. If any violence comes from it, I will be calling for him to openly and quickly denounce it, or I will be lumping him in with the aforementioned. So far, that hasn't happened.


How about trump's calls for violence?

The only calls for violence I remember concerned self-defense against instigators. The violence at his rallies was almost all limited to protestors becoming violent toward his supporters.

Do you not see a difference between the instigator of violence and the self-defense against that instigator?


Nah you aren't as independent as you think.

If you were you would consider the democratic voters and liberals they are your neighbors and friends.

Instead you carry the narrative they are dangerous.

Now you're either being disingenuous or you simply don't read my posts. I make a distinction between the DNC leadership and the average person who holds a different political opinion than I.

I have been debating based on acceptance of the fact that you claim to be independent. I now see this is not the case. Your bias is becoming clear, as usually happens right about the time someone claiming to be Independent decides to challenge my voting record. I would hazard to say you have never pulled a lever in your life for a Republican.

I actually voted for Obama in 2008.

TheRedneck



Yes my bias is clear. I think Republicans and Democrats have failed. And expecting the ones in office to succeed is literal lunacy.

So again which Democrats running in 2018 have said this?

Is it less than .0005 percent. Oh yeah thought so.

.maybe I should list mr body slam and several other loud moths on Republicans and see who has more people running on demagoguery and division?

My point as always is they ate equally bad and equally crazy with violent factions.

You seem to believe Republicans don't go nuts as often. But I have posted several reminders on another page of reality.

The fact is insulting people doesn't work to create bonds and solve problems. Democratic voters don't hear your difference. Look how defensive of Republicans you are and I say Democrats are just as bad. Imagine if I said they were better?


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posted on Oct, 20 2018 @ 11:46 AM
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The fact is insulting people doesn't work to create bonds and solve problems.

Neither does distorting facts.

And I suppose "deplorable" wasn't an insult? Or "racist"? How about "sexist?"

TheRedneck



posted on Oct, 20 2018 @ 11:48 AM
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The fact is insulting people doesn't work to create bonds and solve problems.

Neither does distorting facts.

And I suppose "deplorable" wasn't an insult? Or "racist"? How about "sexist?"

TheRedneck


I have no idea why you are so defensive of Republicans as an independent.

I have repeatedly said Democrats are every bit as bad....hence my independence.



posted on Oct, 20 2018 @ 11:51 AM
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So again which Democrats running in 2018 have said this?


You said Democrats have called for violence. Which ones and how many? You named several not in office or running and two nuts. Like I said less than .0005 percent so far.

Speaking of distorting facts...if you can list one I distorted I will try and clarify.



posted on Oct, 20 2018 @ 12:25 PM
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Yes, you said that Democrats are every bit as bad. That shows your bias, as at this moment they are much, much worse.

It's like Jeffrey Dalmer and some guy who killed a bum. Both are guilty of murder, but one is guilty of capital murder. I'm sure Jeffrey would have been very happy if he were considered equal to the bum killer. That's your bias. You attempt to excuse the over-the-top behavior by Democrats by likening it to the normal bad behavior of Republicans.

I make no excuses for either party. I do not care about the letter next to the names. What I care about is justice. If those in worst need of justice are Republicans, so be it; if they are Democrats, so be it. It's not my fault that the latter situation applies now.

TheRedneck



posted on Oct, 20 2018 @ 12:28 PM
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originally posted by: TheRedneck
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Yes, you said that Democrats are every bit as bad. That shows your bias, as at this moment they are much, much worse.

It's like Jeffrey Dalmer and some guy who killed a bum. Both are guilty of murder, but one is guilty of capital murder. I'm sure Jeffrey would have been very happy if he were considered equal to the bum killer. That's your bias. You attempt to excuse the over-the-top behavior by Democrats by likening it to the normal bad behavior of Republicans.

I make no excuses for either party. I do not care about the letter next to the names. What I care about is justice. If those in worst need of justice are Republicans, so be it; if they are Democrats, so be it. It's not my fault that the latter situation applies now.

TheRedneck


Again I totally disagree with your assessment of worse in terms of reality. I will admit Republicans tell a lie to the constituents I like I like better. But that doesn't mean anything in reality.

Imo. Reality is do you want A Brave New World or 1984. You pick who is who.
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posted on Oct, 20 2018 @ 12:43 PM
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Neither. I want America back.

TheRedneck



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