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HUGE Drop Off In Reported UFO Sightings...What's The Reason?

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posted on Oct, 22 2018 @ 09:23 AM
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a reply to: JimOberg

The other problem on here and other sites on the net re ufo reports are claims made by the people reporting them.

Here are a few examples

1) I spend a lot of time looking at the night sky and have never seen this before. That claim is made a lot on here yet often it's about common objects in the sky. Take Sirius for instance if you see it low on the Horizon it seems to flash reg/white/blue, It happens every winter here in the UK where I live and every year we get ufo reports about it.

2) The object was doing at least 10,000 mph + because it went from horizon to horizon in 30 secs. I have watched the ISS cross over many times and at 17,500 mph it can be in view for 5+ minutes horizon to horizon.

3) Claims of speed and distance when you don't no the size of the object or distance you can't give accurate info.

The list has many more I think people think they have seen something unusual so it then becomes a ufo because they don't have the knowledge re other objects it could be.

The other thing we have members that think others don't have the right to debunk what others claim even when what most debunker's will do is give evidence to back it up where the ufo report hasn't.

I would really like to see a genuine 100% ufo thats why I joined and lets be honest a sceptic is more like to find the real deal because they will debunk other possibilities first.

edit on 22-10-2018 by wmd_2008 because: (no reason given)




posted on Oct, 23 2018 @ 11:46 AM
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originally posted by: JimOberg
Accidental experiments such as these missile tests provide ample evidence that people see what their culture encourages to perceive.


People see what people see, it is their description that is shaped by culture.

People have been seeing and then describing anomalous aerial phenomena since the dawn of history, way before mankinds space programme. Aside from the more recent black triangle sightings the descriptions of many are remarkably similar despite the different cultures and the millennia between them.

Not saying your proposition is wrong, it obviousoly accounts for some reports and it is relatively easy due to location and timing to relate the two, it is the rest that interest.



posted on Oct, 23 2018 @ 12:07 PM
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originally posted by: chunder
People see what people see, it is their description that is shaped by culture.


It's also completely wrong to assume that when people see something unusual that their description is somehow inaccurate, unless there is some other kind of objective evidence to indicate that. And it's very unlikely that they can all be wrong. People will try to describe what they saw the best they can, and the default expectation should be that they're accurate up to the point where they start trying to make connections that weren't there in the actual experience. (i.e., "There was a glowing golden orb and I knew it was the Virgin Mary." Okay. Glowing golden orb. Virgin Mary? Well, let's stick a pin in that for now.)



posted on Oct, 23 2018 @ 02:28 PM
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originally posted by: KilgoreTrout
Cheers for the heads up, I wasn't aware of him at all. I may even buy his book and his one on Military Sociology (which is more my usual fayre) if I can find it at a knock down price.


‘No End to the Making of Books’: Awake!—1978

EVERY year billions of copies of books roll off the presses, eventually finding their way into homes, offices and libraries throughout the world. In the United States alone, each year sees the introduction of over 20,000 new books, not including textbooks and reference works. Add to this more than 8,000 reprints and revisions.

Clearly, no one person could ever hope to read all the books that have been published. In view of today’s fast printing methods, the following words written about 3,000 years ago are even more appropriate than when they were first recorded: “To the making of many books there is no end, and much devotion to them is wearisome to the flesh.”​—Eccl. 12:12.

One “wearisome” factor is that publications dealing with the various fields of knowledge may present conflicting views. So, the person who centers his whole life around books can tire himself out reading, comparing and trying to resolve contradictions. Particularly when it comes to philosophical studies, often it is just a matter of one opinion versus another opinion.

Since a person obviously cannot survey the whole field of human knowledge and theory, he must be selective. Just what writings are most beneficial and can safely be used as a guide for life? Wise King Solomon, the one who wrote about the making of many books, provides the answer: “The words of the wise ones are like oxgoads, and just like nails driven in are those indulging in collections of sentences; they have been given from one shepherd.”​—Eccl. 12:11.

According to this, the most valuable writings are those that originate or are in agreement with the “one shepherd.” Who is this “one shepherd”? King Solomon’s writings are a part of the Holy Scriptures and, therefore, the “shepherd” must be the one referred to in those Scriptures. At Psalm 23:1, for example, we read: “Jehovah is my Shepherd.”

In view of Solomon’s words, the greatest benefit comes from a careful study of the Scriptures that are inspired of God. This will not tire one out, as can vain efforts to resolve the conflicting theories of men. By putting the Bible’s guidelines into application, millions of men and women have come to appreciate the truth of what we read at 2 Timothy 3:16, 17: “All Scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness, that the man of God may be fully competent, completely equipped for every good work.”

The wisdom that is Biblically oriented can indeed affect us like the oxgoad mentioned by Solomon. This implement, the oxgoad, with its sharp metal point, is designed to prick a draft animal, prompting it to continue moving in a certain direction. Similarly, the words of those having godly wisdom can prick the listeners or readers to advance in harmony with the wisdom expressed, to their benefit. Also, persons who occupy themselves with “collections of sentences,” that is, truly beneficial wise sayings or proverbs, are like nails. How so? This is because nails can provide support for something or can stabilize it. Likewise, by their sound words of wisdom, “those indulging in collections of sentences,” can have a stabilizing and supportive effect on others.

Hence, do not permit yourself to be distracted by the multitude of books that are continually being printed. Take time to consider the most valuable book of all, the Bible, and publications that are in harmony with it. Then, concerning the Bible, you will not feel as did the American patriot Patrick Henry who, shortly before his death, said to a friend: “This is a book worth more than all the others that were ever printed. It is my misfortune not to have found time to read it with the proper attention and feeling till lately.”

Also see my signature about being selective or the text under my accountname.




posted on Oct, 23 2018 @ 02:54 PM
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a reply to: whereislogic

Books are made from paper which is made from trees. Trees are green which isn't my favourite colour, but it's OK. People say green cars are involved in more accidents than other colours. I'm not sure about that. Maybe people who prefer green are more likely to have accidents and it really isn't the colour we should be blaming.

Shall we talk about green or Jehovah's Witnesses? Oh no, it's a thread about UFO sighting reports and neither of them relate to the topic no matter how clever we are at shoe-horning them in.



posted on Oct, 23 2018 @ 03:02 PM
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THe reason may be as simple as the proliferation of smart phones.

Lets be honest, while they are not SLR's most modern phones have pretty good video capabilities so people are not putting up with grainy, shadowy footage. In other words it IMHO tends to be a bit more legit than someone simply describing a hovering triangle etc



posted on Oct, 23 2018 @ 09:07 PM
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a reply to: FredT
I think phones play a role, but maybe people do get some images or video of the big black hovering triangle they saw, and show it to a few friends before calling the UFO reporting center. Now that the friends have something to look at instead of just hearing stories like before smartphones were everywhere, maybe one of them thinks the video looks familiar, like three Chinese lanterns he saw last year, so the guy who made the video decides to not call in the hovering black triangle report after all.

It would be nice if there was a way to collect statistics that really explain the drop in UFO reports, but I don't know how you would do it. Without data on the actual reasons, the smart phones have to be near the top of the list of suspects. The spread of many capable drones is another reason near the top of my list.


originally posted by: Rhombus101
a reply to: shawmanfromny

Id say part of the decline is shills and trolls, agressively shouting down anyone who expresses any oppinion thats pro ufo. You only have to look in the threads here, they react like you iether insulted them personaly or they getting paid for their efforts.
If by "pro ufo" you mean that someone says "I saw something and don't know what it was therefore it must be aliens", that kind of perception usually doesn't show much critical thinking and most everyone should agree that some critical thinking should be applied to solving any unknown mystery. If you don't agree with that, then you probably don't want to know the truth and just want an echo chamber to agree with unsupported claims that "I don't know what it was so it must be aliens" or the comments like Jim Oberg posted where someone says "I don't care what anyone says I know it wasn't from our planet" when they are looking at earthly technology that's been on earth for 60 years.


originally posted by: wmd_2008
a reply to: JimOberg
The other thing we have members that think others don't have the right to debunk what others claim even when what most debunker's will do is give evidence to back it up where the ufo report hasn't.

I would really like to see a genuine 100% ufo thats why I joined and lets be honest a sceptic is more like to find the real deal because they will debunk other possibilities first.
But Chris Mellon says this UFO is not a US experimental craft, don't you believe him?


Even though it was identified earlier as a mylar party balloon in the shape of the number 1, but you're not allowed to say that or someone like the poster above talking about shills will call you a shill. It would be cool to see a real UFO that's more interesting than a "nocturnal light". I always thought a real alien space ship should look more like this than some fuzzy dot on a grainy image:




originally posted by: JimOberg
a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

There are folks around the world doing exactly what you ask about, writing how other people can do it too. Check out www.satobs.org.

The bottom line: naked eye sky observations have, can, and will continue to provide very valuable information on what's flying around up there, when properly assessed based on demonstrated accuracy.

See 2015 Trident SLBM launch off California
satobs.org...
That's a great article and fantastic research, thanks for posting it! As scientists like to say, research has shown that human visual perception systems are not reliable data taking devices, or to translate into English sometimes we are confused about what we are seeing, and it doesn't necessarily mean the person is nuts, it seems to be quite normal and has happened to me a few times that I wasn't quite sure what I was seeing at first. But a lot of your witnesses seem to be ordinary people, so the ATS folks often tell us we need to look at the stories told by astronauts and pilots who have inhuman accuracy in their observing capability, and anything they say can be believed. But then someone checked out that claim and found that wasn't really true, oh wait, that was you! And of course Hynek thought pilots have more misperceptions than most classes of observers.


originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear
2) Could you please speak to what a regular hobby astronomer might see 'in orbit' with a decent commercial telescope? I've often wondered about this..

The international space station for example.. how clearly can that be resolved with hobby gear?
It depends on how skilled you are in your hobby. This man has skills:

An amateur astrophotographer takes on the challenge of getting a stunning shot of the ISS and succeeds.


edit on 20181023 by Arbitrageur because: clarification



posted on Oct, 24 2018 @ 07:03 AM
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a reply to: chunder




People see what people see, it is their description that is shaped by culture.


I think the better word to use instead of description is expression.

The description will be what they see, its how they describe it with what terms and concepts are relative to them that can explain what they see is what they use and what is guided by their culture.



posted on Oct, 24 2018 @ 12:57 PM
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originally posted by: whereislogic
Also see my signature about being selective or the text under my accountname.


Very sage advice, thank you.




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