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Who is paying? Footage in Honduras of women and children being paid cash to join caravan to the US

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posted on Oct, 17 2018 @ 10:42 PM
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a reply to: theantediluvian

I know you're smarter than this.

Right. People do it out of desperation. So when you manufacture incentives, like money and relative safety, you push people on the fence to take the plunge.

No one said this money would be their sole motivation.



edit on 17-10-2018 by loam because: (no reason given)




posted on Oct, 17 2018 @ 10:54 PM
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originally posted by: theantediluvian
a reply to: loam


The World Bank places nearly 2/3 of Hondurans living in poverty. Daily earnings estimates are between $1.90-$3.80 per day....and that's assuming you earn anything at all.


The poorest person on this planet would not hike 1,600 through crime filled countryside for $20. And that's assuming that it's even $20. $20 is the USD value of the largest denomination of Honduran money. It's quite possibly far less.


I wonder how many people would line up for a week to a month worth of wages to 'migrate' in relative safety to the US?


This is what you aren't getting. It's like thinking that anyone would travel from Detroit to DC to protest for $35. You couldn't pay most people to protest next door for an hour for $35. It would cost three times that in gas make the drive. Hell, even if you rode a bike, you'd spend more money on food to replenish the calories to pedal that far.

And yet, that's an easy one to swallow apparently for some. I thought that was bad.

Women are not dragging their kids through 1,600 miles of bandit ridden countryside, where they risk being sexually assaulted, forced into sex work, robbed, murdered or dying from any number of things, to get to the US border, where they run a good chance of being turned around or thrown into a camp — motivated by a day's or week's salary.

There are people who will do it because they're motivated by desperation, a fear greater than their fear of the risks undertaken in the journey and an intense desire for a better life and there are people who are not. There are no people who are doing that # for $20.


Wait...seriously...

So you truly believe that these are the poorest people on the planet (your own words) and wouldn't travel for $20?

So I have read the average per person, in South America, to immigrate to the US is between $2k and $10k depending on where you come from. I believe Honduras fell between $4-6k....

So how do the poorest people on the planet save enough to get here when their youngest is a toddler? Did they think of what they would need a decade before they had their child/children?

The majority of people in the US are living paycheck to paycheck, yet somehow folks in a 3rd world country can save enough to travel thousands of miles with multiple family members? Even toddlers? Seriously? Do you have kids?

I mean this whole PR immigrant march stunt is a joke.



posted on Oct, 17 2018 @ 11:03 PM
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Has to be real. Wouldn't a US rep vet it before posting.



posted on Oct, 17 2018 @ 11:16 PM
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a reply to: loam

I don't know how else to convey how absurd it is to believe that $20 or less constitutes any sort of motivation in this circumstance.

Ok. Imagine you're a 16-17 year-old pimply faced high school virgin, madly obsessed with the homecoming queen. Your riding by on your bike and see her being accosted by ninjas on the sidewalk. Now, you could be motivated to fight the ninjas in the hopes of winning dream girl's favor. You could run away and call the cops.

What's not going to happen is that $20 is going to make the difference between whether or not you fight any damn ninjas. It's not sufficient motivation to fight the ninjas and the motivation that is sufficient, dwarfs the motivation of pocketing a $20 by so much that it's preposterous on its face to imagine that the $20 would factor into the decision making.



posted on Oct, 17 2018 @ 11:18 PM
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a reply to: Vasa Croe


So I have read the average per person, in South America, to immigrate to the US is between $2k and $10k depending on where you come from. I believe Honduras fell between $4-6k....


Holy #. Why would anyone pay $20 to get somebody to do something that they would not only do for free, but would pay $4-6k to do if they had the money to do it?

How does that make sense to you?



posted on Oct, 17 2018 @ 11:22 PM
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a reply to: theantediluvian

But, but, its election time.




posted on Oct, 17 2018 @ 11:26 PM
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a reply to: theantediluvian




Holy #. Why would anyone pay $20 to get somebody to do something that they would not only do for free, but would pay $4-6k to do if they had the money to do it?


Free Travel. You don't have to pay the 4 to 6k and we will give you 20 dollars. That is a tempting offer. No?



posted on Oct, 17 2018 @ 11:27 PM
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a reply to: loam

Who is paying? Occam's razor comes to mind... I hear this caravan might reach the border just in time for midterms. I bet they'll have buses ready to chauffeur them to exactly where they want them to go.

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posted on Oct, 17 2018 @ 11:38 PM
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originally posted by: theantediluvian
a reply to: loam

I don't know how else to convey how absurd it is to believe that $20 or less constitutes any sort of motivation in this circumstance.

Ok. Imagine you're a 16-17 year-old pimply faced high school virgin, madly obsessed with the homecoming queen. Your riding by on your bike and see her being accosted by ninjas on the sidewalk. Now, you could be motivated to fight the ninjas in the hopes of winning dream girl's favor. You could run away and call the cops.

What's not going to happen is that $20 is going to make the difference between whether or not you fight any damn ninjas. It's not sufficient motivation to fight the ninjas and the motivation that is sufficient, dwarfs the motivation of pocketing a $20 by so much that it's preposterous on its face to imagine that the $20 would factor into the decision making.


Dude. What is absurd is your perspective on this.

You honestly sound like someone who has never left this country, unless it was like to some "comfy" place under some "comfy" circumstance. Cruise or all-inclusive, maybe? Mexico beach trip? Some nice European business trip?

I've seen poverty in the third world first hand. Half my life was spent overseas.

Most people don't understand how little incentive is required to exploit people in true third world poverty. I've seen some pretty egregious #.

When I used to support the idea of globalism, I did so thinking some of the very people I have met in my time would benefit from it. But I quickly realized that was not the case....and I guess we can leave that for another discussion.

The point is this caravan is a dream come true.

$20?

I just got food for a month for me and my children, when before I may not have had any idea where I was going to get the next meal. Go as a group with all of these reporters, charities workers, and organizers escorting the way? Hell yes! That may never happen again!

You are just flat wrong about how little it takes to make desperate people do terribly stupid things.

You should get out more.


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posted on Oct, 17 2018 @ 11:43 PM
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a reply to: highvein

Yeah.

Who ever is paying for the trucks & fuel, that's the Big Story.

The first big highly reported caravan ordeal, earlier this year, Buzzfeed et al was embedded in the caravan. The story I browsed had the name of the primary group that organized it. Imagine its the same one here. Not hard to imagine this is all part of the #RESISTANCE. The kind of money that flows around politics these days, laden with the ilk of Soros et al, funding one of these caravans is chump change.



posted on Oct, 17 2018 @ 11:52 PM
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originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss
a reply to: highvein

Yeah.

Who ever is paying for the trucks & fuel, that's the Big Story.

The first big highly reported caravan ordeal, earlier this year, Buzzfeed et al was embedded in the caravan. The story I browsed had the name of the primary group that organized it. Imagine its the same one here. Not hard to imagine this is all part of the #RESISTANCE. The kind of money that flows around politics these days, laden with the ilk of Soros et al, funding one of these caravans is chump change.


It also wouldn't surprise me if Trump did it. He does use progressive tactics sometimes. He could use this to energize his base, but all of this is speculation.



posted on Oct, 18 2018 @ 12:15 AM
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originally posted by: theantediluvian
a reply to: Vasa Croe


So I have read the average per person, in South America, to immigrate to the US is between $2k and $10k depending on where you come from. I believe Honduras fell between $4-6k....


Holy #. Why would anyone pay $20 to get somebody to do something that they would not only do for free, but would pay $4-6k to do if they had the money to do it?

How does that make sense to you?


No idea....how would they know to come here in mass numbers from Honduras? Is there some kind of underground propaganda telling people to come?

I mean we are to believe that governments are oppressing them with military style force, and drug cartels are forcing them to be mules and slaughtering thousands, yet oddly a large group of people thousands of miles away happened to band together to travel by foot against multiple governments and through cartel country...and we are to believe not a single oppressive government nor cartel member heard about this prior to and tried to break it up? Or maybe paid for it themselves?

You cant have it both ways.....



posted on Oct, 18 2018 @ 12:17 AM
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originally posted by: highvein

originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss
a reply to: highvein

Yeah.

Who ever is paying for the trucks & fuel, that's the Big Story.

The first big highly reported caravan ordeal, earlier this year, Buzzfeed et al was embedded in the caravan. The story I browsed had the name of the primary group that organized it. Imagine its the same one here. Not hard to imagine this is all part of the #RESISTANCE. The kind of money that flows around politics these days, laden with the ilk of Soros et al, funding one of these caravans is chump change.


It also wouldn't surprise me if Trump did it. He does use progressive tactics sometimes. He could use this to energize his base, but all of this is speculation.


I thought about that angle as well. Would be a interesting move. I dont think he would do this though....too much to lose if it came back on him.



posted on Oct, 18 2018 @ 12:19 AM
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originally posted by: loam
twitter.com...



I hope they figure this out.

Obviously, Soros comes to mind. But the money could be coming from elsewhere.



I don't see no toilets. are they given drugs for they dont have to poo and pee?



posted on Oct, 18 2018 @ 12:57 AM
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a reply to: musicismagic

I just saw your thread.

Kind of makes my point, when even Japan is following the event.

Opportunity of a lifetime.
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posted on Oct, 18 2018 @ 01:00 AM
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Latest best estimate is $7,000 paid to each person willing to break U.S. law.
twitter.com...



posted on Oct, 18 2018 @ 03:20 AM
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So this is not in Honduras. It's Chiquimula, Guatemala. Look up "Autos Y Camiones Saul Chiquimula" in Google maps. Rotate street view to the right, the location is right across the street.



And that my friends is why you never believe anything Rep. Matt "Disinfo Agent" Gaetz says.



posted on Oct, 18 2018 @ 03:48 AM
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a reply to: theantediluvian

Yes. The Caravan is in Guatamala now. They left Honduras five days ago.

Trump warns Honduras over migrant caravan now in Guatemala

Gaetz must not have understood where the video was taken.

This changes what exactly?
edit on 18-10-2018 by loam because: (no reason given)



posted on Oct, 18 2018 @ 07:34 AM
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a reply to: theantediluvian

Be funny if you scrutinized your own op's with the same mentality



posted on Oct, 18 2018 @ 09:04 AM
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originally posted by: theantediluvian
a reply to: loam

I don't know how else to convey how absurd it is to believe that $20 or less constitutes any sort of motivation in this circumstance.

Ok. Imagine you're a 16-17 year-old pimply faced high school virgin, madly obsessed with the homecoming queen. Your riding by on your bike and see her being accosted by ninjas on the sidewalk. Now, you could be motivated to fight the ninjas in the hopes of winning dream girl's favor. You could run away and call the cops.

What's not going to happen is that $20 is going to make the difference between whether or not you fight any damn ninjas. It's not sufficient motivation to fight the ninjas and the motivation that is sufficient, dwarfs the motivation of pocketing a $20 by so much that it's preposterous on its face to imagine that the $20 would factor into the decision making.


so this was their only payment? how do you know that? I agree that this is short on facts, but you are manufacturing your own version, which isn't any more truth than what this story tells.




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