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Trump Slams ‘Very Unfair’ Drug Sentences

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posted on Oct, 17 2018 @ 05:39 PM
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a reply to: sine.nomine

I would rather see them in rehab centers, too. They'll just find more connections in prison, but those rehabs might have to get a little more strict if they want to make a difference.




posted on Oct, 17 2018 @ 05:42 PM
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Trump is a political genius. He is literally taking on the more popular parts of the Democratic party in an effort to strip their voters away one by one before midterms. This is obviously meant to court the millennial and African American voters. Genius!



posted on Oct, 17 2018 @ 05:46 PM
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originally posted by: narrator

originally posted by: aniceday
a reply to: Metallicus

Trafficking in drugs, including marijuana has caused untold deaths. Everyone involved in it. From those who traffic it across the border, to those who sell it, to those who buy it. The whole chain, every one of them are all guilty and complicit in the crimes. The money made on drugs is bloodied and cursed, and all those touching that money are cursed, as well as all those who involve themselves in it. They are all of them alike cursed and guilty of the bloodshed it has resulted in. There are no innocents in the illicit and illegal trade of drugs.


That's the whole point though. If it wasn't illegal, there wouldn't be a market for illegal drugs. Therefore, no more trafficking, etc. which would cut waaay down on deaths related to drug trafficking.

Buying some marijuana from a licensed dispensary, and then smoking it while binge-ing Netflix is not some illicit criminal activity. It's a decent Tuesday night.

Marijuana and psychedelics aside, there are some pretty nasty drugs out there. But, if we want to truly be a free nation, shouldn't a person be allowed to ingest them, knowing full well that it's going to wreck their system? Alcohol wrecks your body and ruins lives, and it's perfectly legal. Same idea. Same with being free to eat whatever type of diet you want, regardless of the health outcome.

In the immortal words of Ron Swanson: "The whole point of this country is if you want to eat garbage, balloon up to 600 pounds and die of a heart attack at 43, you can! You are free to do so. To me, that’s beautiful."

I'd apply that logic to drugs as well.


Being a truly free nation in those regards is a slippery slope. I'll get a ticket for not wearing my seat belt. I didn't start wearing my seat belt until it became a law. How many people out there right now stay away from drugs because they're against the law and only stay away because they're against the law? Most weed smokers have their small time connection, get their weed, go home and smoke it, and nobody ever knows and they're never busted. As I previously stated, I don't think a dime bag or less should be anything other than confiscated, not even a ticket, but that's where I draw the line in my opinion because it's gotta be drawn somewhere.



posted on Oct, 17 2018 @ 05:48 PM
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a reply to: LSU2018

I agree, and I'm all for it. Maybe set up rehab centers that have legal sanctions for repeated relapses or something. That makes more sense than slapping a felony status on someone for life.



posted on Oct, 17 2018 @ 05:52 PM
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have i mentioned how much i love trump?




posted on Oct, 17 2018 @ 05:52 PM
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a reply to: narrator

If a teacher shows up to work drunk, they'd be sent home and most likely fired.

If someone wants to wreck their life then that's on them, I'm with you there, but what if they have children? Legalizing drugs isn't gonna make Molly Methmouth, who stays at home with her 4 young kids, give up meth. It's not going to deter Coke Head Larry from buying his next crack rock while he goes home to smoke it with his children home either.



posted on Oct, 17 2018 @ 05:55 PM
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originally posted by: aniceday
a reply to: Metallicus

Trafficking in drugs, including marijuana has caused untold deaths. Everyone involved in it. From those who traffic it across the border, to those who sell it, to those who buy it. The whole chain, every one of them are all guilty and complicit in the crimes. The money made on drugs is bloodied and cursed, and all those touching that money are cursed, as well as all those who involve themselves in it. They are all of them alike cursed and guilty of the bloodshed it has resulted in. There are no innocents in the illicit and illegal trade of drugs.


That use to be the case with alcohol as well .



posted on Oct, 17 2018 @ 05:55 PM
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a reply to: narrator

Not disagreeing or starting an argument, just honestly want to hear your opinion...

You previously mentioned the comfort of ones own home, etc... but does that go for every home? Homes with young children? Would it be cool for me to cook my own meth if I have a 3 and 4 year old in the house?

How many regulations would we need to realistically set in place and at what point do we just say holy crap that's a lot of regs, let's just make it illegal altogether?


A2D
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posted on Oct, 17 2018 @ 05:56 PM
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a reply to: Agree2Disagree

Drug use is a medical issue, not a law enforcement issue.

Scientifically based harm minimisation policies is the only rational solution... Knee jerk law and order policies do nothing but create far more problems than the drugs themselves.
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posted on Oct, 17 2018 @ 05:57 PM
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Any statistics to verify that claim?

A2D



posted on Oct, 17 2018 @ 06:01 PM
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originally posted by: Breakthestreak
a reply to: narrator
Exactly

It’s only the low-iq of society who think that legalisation means you’re suddenly allowed to be high all the time.

Alcohol is legal. But not for work. Not for driving.

Maybe meth and coc aine shouldn’t be quite as legal as alcohol but marijuana, of course it should. Alcohol is FAR worse in every measurable aspect than marijuana.

Legislation is the key. Have age limits, have restrictions on driving etc and there’s no reason why drugs can’t be just as legal as alcohol and cigarettes


Well, here's the problem with that. Weed maybe not so much, but most other hardcore drugs are gonna alter your thinking and you're not gonna give a care when you jump in your car and roll 90 down the highway.



posted on Oct, 17 2018 @ 06:04 PM
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originally posted by: loam

originally posted by: The GUT
When the common-sense Dems start to realize Trump isn't really a "Republican" and has some common sense himself and, yes, compassion, then we can all get on with making things better here and there.

He can certainly be moved by pleas that are logical.



Biggest missed opportunity in US history.

The Dems could have worked with the guy...taken credit by insisting they pushed him to various results...and still criticized him when warranted.


That's why "common sense" and "democrats" don't belong in the same sentence.



posted on Oct, 17 2018 @ 06:05 PM
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originally posted by: narrator

originally posted by: Breakthestreak
a reply to: narrator
Exactly

It’s only the low-iq of society who think that legalisation means you’re suddenly allowed to be high all the time.

Alcohol is legal. But not for work. Not for driving.

Maybe meth and coc aine shouldn’t be quite as legal as alcohol but marijuana, of course it should. Alcohol is FAR worse in every measurable aspect than marijuana.

Legislation is the key. Have age limits, have restrictions on driving etc and there’s no reason why drugs can’t be just as legal as alcohol and cigarettes


You're absolutely right, I agree completely.. I took my generalizing too far, meth is a terrible drug and shouldn't be on the same scale as other recreational drugs. Same with crack, etc.

Speaking in a general sense, having the proper regulations for using drugs, rather than just making all of them illegal, is definitely the correct route to take.


Where do you start and where do you draw the line?



posted on Oct, 17 2018 @ 06:05 PM
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Right. Let me just smoke some PCP and see how much I care about some "legislation"... when you're high on PCP you literally don't know your ass from the Eiffel tower...

A2D



posted on Oct, 17 2018 @ 06:05 PM
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originally posted by: Agree2Disagree
a reply to: Subaeruginosa

Any statistics to verify that claim?

A2D


Seriously?

Think of the United States... Its the 'war on drugs' capital of the world... Yet, its also an incredibly viable candidate for being the recreational drug use capital of the world.

Do you really need me to google some statistics to prove those undeniable facts?



posted on Oct, 17 2018 @ 06:06 PM
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originally posted by: Agree2Disagree
a reply to: LSU2018

Right. Let me just smoke some PCP and see how much I care about some "legislation"... when you're high on PCP you literally don't know your ass from the Eiffel tower...

A2D




You know this how, from experience?



posted on Oct, 17 2018 @ 06:08 PM
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originally posted by: Subaeruginosa

originally posted by: Agree2Disagree
a reply to: narrator

Do you want your child's teacher to smoke meth? Most likely no...

Do you want to carpool with the guy who is snorting lines of coc aine off his dash board?

Imagine a country where Jim and Jackie Snort shoot up a couple loads, throw their needles down at the park and then take a nice relaxing joy ride down to the movie theater....



Dude, I seriously don't think you need to "imagine" any of that... since everything you mentioned is already just a fact of reality.

Making the use of drugs a 'criminal act' doesn't deter that kind of reckless behaviour.... It just creates a lot of other problems on top of it.




But you don't think it creates more problems when you legalize it? All that's gonna do is keep drug addicts on the streets. It's not like the majority of your crack heads and meth heads and heroine addicts are middle/upper class tax paying law abiding citizens.



posted on Oct, 17 2018 @ 06:09 PM
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a reply to: Subaeruginosa

I'm asking you to provide facts that laws make it worse... yes. Please provide because my Google is not pulling any facts up. Thank you.

A2D



posted on Oct, 17 2018 @ 06:10 PM
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as long as alcohol is legal and available damn near everywhere any argument against any drug being illegal is just plain bull#.

i can not entertain any arguments for them being illegal while anyone can get all hooched up any time they want.



posted on Oct, 17 2018 @ 06:12 PM
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originally posted by: sine.nomine
a reply to: LSU2018

I agree, and I'm all for it. Maybe set up rehab centers that have legal sanctions for repeated relapses or something. That makes more sense than slapping a felony status on someone for life.


Absolutely. There are far more positive alternative solutions, in my opinion, than legalizing everything.



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