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President Trump to withdraw from UPU treaty China BTFO

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posted on Oct, 17 2018 @ 05:59 PM
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originally posted by: burdman30ott6
Uh, NAFTA became law in 1994, Democrats held both the House and Senate until 1996... just sayin'.


It passed the House with R: 132 Ayes, 43 Noes. D: 102 Ayes, 156 Noes. (234-200)

And 73-26-1 in the Senate.




edit on 17-10-2018 by AugustusMasonicus because: networkdude has no beer




posted on Oct, 17 2018 @ 05:59 PM
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a reply to: RadioRobert

It's not just greenhouse. Its water table. You didn't just see what happened in NC when the hurricane hit?



posted on Oct, 17 2018 @ 06:00 PM
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a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Bipartisan... remember those days? *sigh*



posted on Oct, 17 2018 @ 06:02 PM
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originally posted by: burdman30ott6
Bipartisan... remember those days? *sigh*


Which was my point to the other poster, Clinton signed it because Republicans threw it his way with a higher vote total than Democrats.



posted on Oct, 17 2018 @ 06:06 PM
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a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Ironically worker protections like tariffs are more socialist monetary policy than free market. So we are all over the map now with the republicratic demoplicans

Kind of like walls also keep people in as well as out....
edit on 17-10-2018 by luthier because: (no reason given)



posted on Oct, 17 2018 @ 06:36 PM
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The *Small Business and Entrepreneurship Council* (SBE) has issued a press release praising President Trump for this move:

sbecouncil.org...

SBE Council president and CEO Karen Kerrigan said: “The big disparity in shipping rates directly hits our small businesses. President Trump’s action today is a huge win for American small businesses. Our entrepreneurs have to compete on many fronts that impact costs, and shipping rates are a big one. Why past U.S. negotiators and our own Postal Service would allow this to continue for so long is indefensible. Thankfully, President Trump and his team have taken very strong action to make this right and move us into the 21st century global economy.”



posted on Oct, 17 2018 @ 06:39 PM
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a reply to: luthier

I am generally against tarrifs. Unless the tariffs are the tool I need to get free trade.



posted on Oct, 17 2018 @ 06:44 PM
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originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: OccamsRazor04

Anything that requires packaging in aluminum cans is dependent on China. The US imports 99% of the bauxite it uses for aluminum production.

There is a town near Little Rock, Arkansas named Bauxite. The large bauxite operation there was shut down because of NAFTA. It's still down as far as I know. Many jobs lost because of it.



posted on Oct, 17 2018 @ 07:06 PM
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originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Ironically worker protections like tariffs are more socialist monetary policy than free market. So we are all over the map now with the republicratic demoplicans

Kind of like walls also keep people in as well as out....

Tariffs are not socialist, but they are a response to manipulation by other countries.



posted on Oct, 17 2018 @ 07:41 PM
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a reply to: The GUT

Educating yourselves how? By watching the news and waiting for something to trigger you? Sorry but that's not the same as learning something.



posted on Oct, 17 2018 @ 07:43 PM
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originally posted by: OccamsRazor04

originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Ironically worker protections like tariffs are more socialist monetary policy than free market. So we are all over the map now with the republicratic demoplicans

Kind of like walls also keep people in as well as out....

Tariffs are not socialist, but they are a response to manipulation by other countries.


Tariffs are taxes, tariffs are a manipulation of the market, and are for protecting workers. Socialist countries and democratic socialists use tariffs.

This particular postage problem is a real problem. However on top of all the other tariff and policy decisions towards monetary policy I am concerned with the mass of unintended consequences that will happen.

My entire point is our internal problems and monetary policy for our selves is in far worse shape than any trade policy. The dysfunction of our political system has nothing to do with China or illegals. It has to do with Congress who does not act in our interest.

So, expecting trump to save America through scapegoat issues while our civil structure and political structure decay is irrelevant in my opinion.

It's just my opinion but I think I have a valid point.

We love the easy work. When it comes to going to a town hall after a crappy day at work not so much. We don't even support our children's schools, we critisize them while not showing up to do any community service.

Sorry but imo we need a Reagan or JFK to reinspire people to work together. Not their policies but the way the motivated the public.



posted on Oct, 17 2018 @ 08:23 PM
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My entire point is our internal problems and monetary policy for our selves is in far worse shape than any trade policy. The dysfunction of our political system has nothing to do with China or illegals. It has to do with Congress who does not act in our interest.

So, expecting trump to save America through scapegoat issues while our civil structure and political structure decay is irrelevant in my opinion.

It's just my opinion but I think I have a valid point.


This. Reading the article it's just as I assumed. China was simply being charged a flat fee based on a tier, a tier that is ranked by economies. No need to withdraw from the treaty, increase their rates to be competitive with other countries.

It's a good move by Trump, however it is still not going to address the issue you discussed.
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posted on Oct, 17 2018 @ 09:22 PM
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China was simply being charged a flat fee based on a tier, a tier that is ranked by economies.


A flat fee of zero?



posted on Oct, 17 2018 @ 10:26 PM
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Moreover, while USPS loses an estimated $1 on every small package that arrives from China, outbound mail of American exporters is charged at well above cost.



That's not insubstantial money we're talking about.



posted on Oct, 17 2018 @ 10:36 PM
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a reply to: luthier

Tariffs are capitalist on the national protection level. You're stuck in the Ruth of "globalism is probably inevitable so we should always set policies based on the globalist goals." My position is that this country didn't become great doing what was best for the world, we became great by doing what was best for the USA, period. Tariffs, abandonment of trade deals that don't maximize US gains, policies which put US manufacturing above all others, and exiting agreements like the UPU improve this country's economy and strengthen the dollar.



posted on Oct, 18 2018 @ 01:30 AM
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a reply to: RadioRobert

Actually it is not going like gangbusters, and it is still recovering from the last recession.

www.factcheck.org...


The point being is that many of the products that are bought and used in the US, come from an overseas source, and especially from China. And it spans from clothing to more high tech stuff. By withdrawing from this, it could affect even the US manufacturing. Right now some of the policies are causing a rise in some items, and I have seen it first hand, where the prices are raising up, and when they hit, some do not realize it, but others are starting to see such and start to question.



posted on Oct, 18 2018 @ 01:47 AM
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a reply to: luthier




Kind of like walls also keep people in as well as out....




I see you read my posts! 💘



posted on Oct, 18 2018 @ 02:33 AM
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originally posted by: OccamsRazor04

originally posted by: stonerwilliam
I would love to order things from America on E-bay but if i look for a small ram stick for a laptop i get quotes of 18-20 $ for postage when i can get free postage from china .

America should have seen this years ago and done something about it , this is a bit like bolting the stable door after the horse has bolted

It's not free postage from China. It's American tax dollars paying for the shipping.


If you live in Europe China or its government subsidises the postal costs so the cost is zero to the consumer , we are now seeing a small increase due to the sanctions starting to kick in and the pound losing value against every currency , I can buy a stick of ram from China for $ 5 with free delivery or spend $ 12 + $ 18 delivery for the same stick of ram which weighs 9 or so grams what would you buy



posted on Oct, 18 2018 @ 02:45 AM
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it is amazing - how many people SEEM unable to difrentiate between :


" postage rates "

and

"shipping rates "

go figure



posted on Oct, 18 2018 @ 06:07 AM
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a reply to: ignorant_ape

When you live in the UK you have to figure in both if ordering from America or china as they both require shipment and postal and the UK does not charge a tax on entry like America does

www.ebay.co.uk...:g
sUAAOxywh1S~mHv:rk:8:pf:0

www.ebay.co.uk...:g:qJUAAOSwT~ZavQQm:rk:23:p

When you look at the postal costs of these 2 items from the USA that weigh a few grams and could be put inside a letter you will see why people order from China so much .

They have massive warehouses now in London and elsewhere and the goods arrive very quickly ,America just seems VERY SLOW to cotton on to these things



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