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The War on Opioids Is Destroying My Healthcare

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posted on Oct, 17 2018 @ 11:25 AM
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I would like to add that I am studying a good friend that retired after 20yrs in Army. On one of his many deployements he fell 20ft off a cliff in Afghanistan. He has lived on Norcoes. After three months of THCA he no longer needs his narcs. He will take one every now and again but not 4 a day. I have seen the MRIs, it is real damage. Not many will listen to reason, but it is a real solution to our out of control ACA.




posted on Oct, 17 2018 @ 11:36 AM
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originally posted by: seattlerat
The once a month requirement to see doc for prescriptions is annoying as are the UAs. If you have 96 clean UAs without an issue as I have, at what point do they say we trust you? NEVER! The trend here in WA state is to get patients completely off of morphine, oxycodone, etc. and put them on Suboxone or better yet, nothing. Pain medication can give certain patients some semblance of a life, and denying this relief is cruel, and can have unintended consequences. My personal opinion is that many "legitimate" patients have given up on receiving pain management from their docs and have turned to the streets for their meds. When the pain clinic I went to for years was shut down, there was a waiting list of 6 months to a year (or longer) at other facilities. What were the patients supposed to do in the meantime?


Yeah it’s a pain especially since last month my doc took off the week and I didn’t know so when I went to call to make my appointment as they are always able to get me in within a day or two the other doc was booked up and I couldn’t get in to see my doc until the following Wednesday when Friday was the day I should have got my refill. So I talk to the other docs nurse and try to explain the situation but because it’s in my charts that I need to be seen once a month he wouldn’t refill my morphine sulfate ER. Keep in mind that part of the reason for going in once a month was to discuss lowering my dosage and earlier in the month when I called in my hydrodone for breakthrough pain I had them lower the amount per month so I had already made my progress in reducing the dosage for the month. I explained everything to the nurse but at first she didn’t even want to ask the doctor to fill it not even a temporary script until I could see my doc, after some negotiating I got them to call in extra hydro to get me through until the appointment. I was already on the lowest dosage available so I gritted my teeth through on just hydro and when I saw I could do it I worked out an increase in my hydro and dropping the MS all together with my doc, still wasn’t fun at all.

The doc that I used to have and the one that put me on way too high of doses of pain meds dropped me completely as a patient because I missed an appointment that office had made without informing me about it and it was a very scary and brutal situation trying to find a doc that would handle my pain management on such short notice, I strongly believe my current doc saved my life by taking me on as a patient despite him not being a pain specialist. The other doctor was a heartless sob that told me that if they pain got too bad just to go to the ER.



posted on Oct, 17 2018 @ 11:39 AM
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originally posted by: underwerks
a reply to: Fools


DEA is cracking down on opiods, but not in the way you are thinking.


They’re imposing crazy guidelines on doctors that prescribe opiates and opioids. Which is what the OP is talking about. That has nothing to do with the ACA or any insurance companies. That has to do with the DEA continuing the broken prohibition model.

And as usual, it’s the patients who use their medication responsibly who are hurt by it.

To be fair part of the issue is the ACA when it comes to issues of charting and wait times and the likes due to all the extra BA the staff have to deal with so its two factors combining to make it a very big issue.



posted on Oct, 17 2018 @ 11:41 AM
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The War on Opioids Is Destroying My Healthcare

I think the CIA has a new cash crop.



posted on Oct, 17 2018 @ 11:41 AM
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1. gym everyday. and anyone can work out. in drastic pain? pool.
2. diet. gotta eat clean all natural. low carbs, but eat lots of veggies, fruit and protein.

my dad is a doctor, and i have tons of doctor friends. the problem is the insurance companies want their take, they are the new middle men. and yes, many doctors have to hire outside help to deal with all the paperwork.

avoid opioids at all costs. its heroin. you do not need that.

start off in the gym slow. cant afford it, go jogging 30 minutes a day to get going, pushups and pullups.
if you go to the gym, hire a trainer for 10 sessions to get a hang of things. you only need to learn the basics, then you can ask people for fine tuning.

i am only lifitng heavy three days a week right now only because of a back injury. rest of the week swimming because no impact on my back from running. so if i can work around injuries, anyone can.

i saw a basketball player, with a boot on his leg, obviously some kind of injury. he was on the court, sitting on a stool, shooting baskets JUST to keep his shot in check. one girl in our gym has to walk heavily with a cane, and she works out as well.

again, anyone can workout, you workout slow work your way up.

endorphins do so much, WAY more than opioids.



posted on Oct, 17 2018 @ 11:45 AM
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I feel your pain. My soulmate and best friend Robin, a member here, has been seeing a pain mgmt DR. At her visit in June she was already feeling something was wrong as she felt worse , the DR. said they had a new policy and that she was being reduced by a quarter and the following month down to half the level of what she had been taking for about six years. Robin developed a cough which became persistent the whole time feeling worse and jonesing from her reduced levels. So bad had appt with her primary DR. for cough. X-rays , then does not look good primary visit then cantrst scan then to biopsy then partial diag. of as Dr. said at the very least stage three non-small cell cancer in right lung. Then mri of brain-good not spread there. Now at point for pet scan of rest of body to see if spread was yesterday she cancelled as she is so tired and her laft leg from back all way down leg killing her. When we for biopsy the Cancer guy who consulted said if you have cancer you are treated a bit different and they wont let you suffer. She found out she had cancer and I was there and told him he had to contact her pain mgmt dr. so he can take care of her pain as he said he would if she had cancer. Robin called the
pain mgmt dr. to tell them and they said had to have the records. We asked them and she called twice to her primary to get records from cancer center and fax then to her paim mgmt Dr. because she needed relief. It was a cluster and all week records dont get sent.On Thursady last week cancer Dr. responded to a call and said he would send the records to the pain mgmt Dr. Pain mgmt only open Mon-Thur. Called to see if pain mgmt Dr. got the records and no answer. Get in car Dr. to pain mgmt Dr. in Statesville thirty minutes away and note on door power out because of Hurricane Michael, please call Monday.
By Friday she was out of medicine and we went about thirty minutes to emrg. in Winston at the same hosp. as her oncologist for clarity. Ended up there until about eleven Friday night. They gave her barely enough to make it until Monday and I get her to pain mgmt Dr, and he gave her enough until her next appt with him on the twenty fith. It is still not to the level she was at back in June. She was already tolerant to that level and now she has cancer. This sucks so bad and that is just half of it.
Robin also has hypo=thyroid. Her thyroid is so shriveled from radation in past that it doesnt do anything. She has to take the strongest dose of synthroid plus half of another because they dont make a stronger pill. Your thyroid has such a big part to play in your body and its function.
She has a genetic problem with her feet that caused her to be disabled too. Everyone thinks it is callouses but the callouses on the ball behind the toes get calcium deposits and causes great big callouses. Also in July a huge black area developed all around the callous and all the way to her toes. This was causing more pain. In amongst all the cancer visits she went to a podiatrist/ Podiatrist said cant do anything to it because you have your biopsy coming up and being diabetic they didnt want to mess with it until after her cancer biopsy because wounds on feet of diabetics is a big problem. A few days after that the damn wound busted and I had to take her to the wound care specialist and thanfully her foot wasnt becrotic but still hasnt healed.
All of this going on while she was cut in half from the dose she had been taking for about six years and more and more pain. I ask the cancer Dr. about it and he just says she is in pain mgmt she has to go through them. If I showed you the reviews of this guy it reads just like the soup nazi from Seinfeld. Robin is not alone in getting anxiety and high blood pressure from going to her damn Dr. Something is so very sick and wrong with this. I am telling you I would not let a dog suffer in this much pain.
I am sorry for rambling but this is real life and right this damn minute. Just Monday she said to me that if it is this bad she doesnt want to fight. Before reduction she could go to store for short tripe and cook and some cleaning , now she is bed ridden except for the ten feet from bed to toilet and back. She is napping now which is all the sleep she gets and is moaning and twiching at that. It is so helpless and sad. If you go to a pain mgmt Dr. get your #e lined up and make damn sure you get docunents from your specialist to your pain Dr. Dont trust them when they say they will do it , make sure you do it or you will be groveling in pain with nothing but a ER visit to maybe help you. Good luck is all I can say.

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posted on Oct, 17 2018 @ 11:59 AM
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Sorry for above post. Have shades pulled and keyboard not backlit , plus I am crying. This is sick stuff if you are going through it. Yep almost fifty-five year old in bed next to her with tears in my eyes. Ok after going back over that wall of #e I came to the conclusion that indeed this is a wall of #e. The thing is this is real and it can and will happen to one of you. Some folks are so broken the cant "exercise" or diet it away. Some people are broken for good and the opioids give a certain acceptable quality of life.
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posted on Oct, 17 2018 @ 12:07 PM
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originally posted by: savagediver
Sorry for above post. Have shades pulled and keyboard not backlit , plus I am crying. This is sick stuff if you are going through it. Yep almost fifty-five year old in bed next to her with tears in my eys.

Sorry to hear that I had my own bout with cancer (“just” thyroid cancer) and it’s not a fun thing at all, I pray that things get better for her and that she finds a doctor that will be more concerned with her care than the all mighty CYA routine that medical professionals have to adopt thanks to the regs.



posted on Oct, 17 2018 @ 12:18 PM
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originally posted by: savagediver
Sorry for above post. Have shades pulled and keyboard not backlit , plus I am crying. This is sick stuff if you are going through it. Yep almost fifty-five year old in bed next to her with tears in my eys.


I would be crying too if my partner were going through that much hell. Thanks for sharing as I had hoped others could vent a little about their situations in this thread. I pray Robin can get her health back and proper medical care once again.

I also appreciate the concern and suggestions from everyone - thank you all. My issue is an inflamed and swollen spinal cord in my neck. They already removed the backs of 4 vertebrae to accommodate the swelling. There is a new movie out called Upgrade where they perform surgery similar to mine - at which point i had to stop watching. I've also tried every other possible method known of pain relief so suggestions about kratom or working out or naturopaths has likely been tried already. I never wanted to end up addicted like this, I hate it but as long as it gives me semblance of a life I consider it a Godsend. It gave me 10 more years I wouldn't have had without it.



posted on Oct, 17 2018 @ 12:27 PM
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From all of her existing ailments now a five by five cm tumor it does not look good. She said the other day that she might could fight it if all she had was cancer. Now after the days and days or torment and pain I am afraid she wont fight much longer. Not my first cancer rodeo. My Mom's Dad and mother both died of cancer and I held Mom's hand when she took her last breath 6/9/2016. Dad died 7/29/2015 and niece 2/21/2016. Niece was unexpected during surgery for pectus. Anyway, you start to see more than loss of weight and all. There is something in the eyes and I have seen a glimpse of it from Robin already. Get the damn government out of terminal or chronic pain patients is what I say. Dont punish the innocent because some one od'ed or sold their meds. Why should she suffer for what other ass hats do? Good luck to any of you chronic or terminal patients.



posted on Oct, 17 2018 @ 12:37 PM
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a reply to: Asktheanimals

I'm in my mid 40's perfect health. I am worried about the day my doctor tries putting me on meds. I know there are some life saving drugs out there but the drug commercials on tv scare the crap out of me with all the evil side effects.



posted on Oct, 17 2018 @ 12:58 PM
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originally posted by: dantanna
1. gym everyday. and anyone can work out. in drastic pain? pool.
2. diet. gotta eat clean all natural. low carbs, but eat lots of veggies, fruit and protein.

my dad is a doctor, and i have tons of doctor friends. the problem is the insurance companies want their take, they are the new middle men. and yes, many doctors have to hire outside help to deal with all the paperwork.

avoid opioids at all costs. its heroin. you do not need that.

start off in the gym slow. cant afford it, go jogging 30 minutes a day to get going, pushups and pullups.
if you go to the gym, hire a trainer for 10 sessions to get a hang of things. you only need to learn the basics, then you can ask people for fine tuning.

i am only lifitng heavy three days a week right now only because of a back injury. rest of the week swimming because no impact on my back from running. so if i can work around injuries, anyone can.

i saw a basketball player, with a boot on his leg, obviously some kind of injury. he was on the court, sitting on a stool, shooting baskets JUST to keep his shot in check. one girl in our gym has to walk heavily with a cane, and she works out as well.

again, anyone can workout, you workout slow work your way up.

endorphins do so much, WAY more than opioids.


I back this %100

5 years ago I moved a tank of a desk in my office. The move killed me. Both legs against the desk, back against the wall. I ended up puling a back muscle and said "Never again". Well, I moved that desk last week with no effort. I dawned on me ,that since I got cows, not only do I sleep well, I am strong as an ox.



posted on Oct, 17 2018 @ 02:02 PM
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originally posted by: underwerks
a reply to: Fools


DEA is cracking down on opiods, but not in the way you are thinking.


They’re imposing crazy guidelines on doctors that prescribe opiates and opioids. Which is what the OP is talking about. That has nothing to do with the ACA or any insurance companies. That has to do with the DEA continuing the broken prohibition model.

And as usual, it’s the patients who use their medication responsibly who are hurt by it.




I know there are people that need opiods. Myself, I crushed my l2 about 8 years ago (I think) and fractured my tail bone in 3 places and had a hairline in my L3 I think. I was on opiods for about a year. I did the program and by then end of the year I did not need opiods anymore. I didn't really care for the constipation and itchiness. Anyway, that was me. So there might be someone else that had something similar but still needs them for whatever reason. That is fine.

The problem is that there are doctors out there that write prescriptions to people they KNOW do not need the medication who then turn around and deal them. That is a problem as well, probably has been for a long time.

The real problem is Fentanyl. And China. And somewhat Mexico. And people that are criminally minded. Yes it is a shame that doctors are being watched more for something that only bad actors are engaged in, but man there are a whole lot of people dying out there. The amount of drug over doses from opiods is staggering these days. Just staggering.



posted on Oct, 17 2018 @ 02:10 PM
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The only doctor I've ever had left the practice BECAUSE of things like this. She said between Obamacare and the regulations that were coming up (years ago) she felt she couldn't treat her patients like before. She practiced for 30 years. I LOVED her. She was the only doctor who listened to me and she understand mental health. She prescribed me all natural meds! She was great and everything she gave me worked. No pills! I miss her because I have yet to find a doctor like her since. My last doctor was much like yours. We sat for over an hour while he checked out an iPad and pill book! He barely said two words to me. It was very uncomfortable and I felt like nothing was accomplished.



posted on Oct, 17 2018 @ 03:11 PM
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originally posted by: Fools

originally posted by: underwerks
a reply to: Fools


DEA is cracking down on opiods, but not in the way you are thinking.


They’re imposing crazy guidelines on doctors that prescribe opiates and opioids. Which is what the OP is talking about. That has nothing to do with the ACA or any insurance companies. That has to do with the DEA continuing the broken prohibition model.

And as usual, it’s the patients who use their medication responsibly who are hurt by it.




I know there are people that need opiods. Myself, I crushed my l2 about 8 years ago (I think) and fractured my tail bone in 3 places and had a hairline in my L3 I think. I was on opiods for about a year. I did the program and by then end of the year I did not need opiods anymore. I didn't really care for the constipation and itchiness. Anyway, that was me. So there might be someone else that had something similar but still needs them for whatever reason. That is fine.

The problem is that there are doctors out there that write prescriptions to people they KNOW do not need the medication who then turn around and deal them. That is a problem as well, probably has been for a long time.

The real problem is Fentanyl. And China. And somewhat Mexico. And people that are criminally minded. Yes it is a shame that doctors are being watched more for something that only bad actors are engaged in, but man there are a whole lot of people dying out there. The amount of drug over doses from opiods is staggering these days. Just staggering.

The injury that got me on the opioids was 2 compression fractures of T10&T11 along with bulged disks. I also got screwed by my insurance I could have had vitibroplasti to stabilize my vertebrae but the insurance wouldn’t cover the procedure because it was an acute injury and not caused by osteoporosis or bone cancer (asinine seing as I was in my early 20s) and I couldn’t have afforded to pay out of pocket and didn’t want to take money from my family so I decided to tough it out, in hindsight I should have gotten a loan and had the surgery. Chinese fentnyl is a huge a problem but is not effected at all by the new opioid regulations as the fentynl is coming in in massive quantities illegally, the said part is that our government subsidizes (Trump has said that he will end the postage subsidies but we’ll see) the cheap international shipping from China, so our taxes are paying to make it cheaper to get fentnyl shipped into the country to flood the streets. It’s also turning up in fake oxycodone pills that are being sold on the streets with even less control on strengths and thus adding to accidental overdoses.



posted on Oct, 17 2018 @ 03:17 PM
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a reply to: BigDave-AR

I have changed to tumeric for inflammation (which helps) and CBD oil for pain maintenance. But for quite awhile I was drinking alot just to get to sleep. So I totally understand getting hooked to anything when you are always in pain. People that are not suffering that way just do not understand.

I mean you go a couple of weeks sleeping only an hour or two at a time and you start looking for relief. Its just as simple as that. I was lucky I guess because I didn't particularly care for oxy and so on. But I did turn to alcohol in shocking amounts for quite some time.

Life is hard when a person is in chronic pain.

BTW, did you work on A-10's or do you just like them?

Also, good point on the postal costs. It may not help as much as we'd like but it will make things more difficult. My oldest son now knows on a personal basis around 20 dead people. Someone his age should not have to know that many people that are gone. And all of them overdosed on heroin or fentanyl.
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posted on Oct, 17 2018 @ 03:30 PM
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That new computer program is a pain. It tells a doctor what to prescribe after asking a bunch of question, often it leads to a diagnose far from what is really happening. The conversation with the doctor can lead to discovery of symptoms that you did not feel were connected, that computer program is a joke, it is way off half the time. Let the doctors do their job, especially the more experienced ones. Using that program actually lessens a doctors liability if the determination is made by the program. A program made by someone who has never seen the patient the doctor is seeing.

The doctor probably spent twenty minutes of that time on the computer trying to make the program come to the same conclusion he had come to to make it so the treatment he was successfully treating you with will be continued.

You cannot take the diagnosis of a computer program because there is no where to add in extra symptoms, the program can lead the doctor astray and create a misdiagnosis. It is written by people with big degrees that were specialized in certain fields. Many symptoms are shared by many different diseases or conditions. I do not think that program is good for most people, maybe some young inexperienced doctors or doctors plagued by mistakes might actually improve treatment.....anyone can run a program like that, even a nurse....no need for doctors, before you get into the room your diagnosis has already been decided.



posted on Oct, 17 2018 @ 03:33 PM
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a reply to: Asktheanimals

Now, you stop that. You KNOW that government intervention into our healthcare and health system is best for everyone.

(and I know what you mean...this happens in many offices in which I go for medical care)



posted on Oct, 17 2018 @ 03:33 PM
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originally posted by: cognizant420
a reply to: Asktheanimals

I'm in my mid 40's perfect health. I am worried about the day my doctor tries putting me on meds. I know there are some life saving drugs out there but the drug commercials on tv scare the crap out of me with all the evil side effects.


Just say no to drugs, that is what the commercial says.


I won't take any long term meds or vaccines anymore, I will take antibiotics if I need too, anything up to ten days is fine.



posted on Oct, 17 2018 @ 03:42 PM
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originally posted by: Fools
a reply to: BigDave-AR

I have changed to tumeric for inflammation (which helps) and CBD oil for pain maintenance. But for quite awhile I was drinking alot just to get to sleep. So I totally understand getting hooked to anything when you are always in pain. People that are not suffering that way just do not understand.

I mean you go a couple of weeks sleeping only an hour or two at a time and you start looking for relief. Its just as simple as that. I was lucky I guess because I didn't particularly care for oxy and so on. But I did turn to alcohol in shocking amounts for quite some time.

Life is hard when a person is in chronic pain.

BTW, did you work on A-10's or do you just like them?

Also, good point on the postal costs. It may not help as much as we'd like but it will make things more difficult. My oldest son now knows on a personal basis around 20 dead people. Someone his age should not have to know that many people that are gone. And all of them overdosed on heroin or fentanyl.

No sir just always loved the hogs, I’ve delivered fuel to Little Rock AFB for the C130s and Ebbing ANG Base which used to house an A10 unit until they transferred over to drones. The hogs used to make mock strafing runs on the pond on my property that I used to live on low and slow.

Yeah the pain is no good whatsoever and then your body starts creating more pain in order to get more of the meds so it’s a vicious cycle my pain level actually hasn’t got much worse but working down on the dosage I’ve been have way withdarawaln all the time which is no fun at all I’d rather deal with pain than the DTs anyday. They don’t call it kicking the habit for no reason it’s terrible trying to fall asleep while you’re have involuntary muscle spasms and feel like you have a terrible stomach flu complete with cold sweats and your whole body feeling like it’s trying to kill you off. I wouldn’t wish opioid withdrawals on my worst enemy.

I too know too many friends that have passed or nearly passed thanks to opioids and heroin (thank god ive managed to stay away from the stuff or I’d probably be one of the dead) most of the ODs from heroin nowadays is because it’s cut with fentenyl to make it stronger and more profitable. The sad reality is dealers are incentivized to make it too strong because if one person ODs everyone wants your junk because of the strength, a very tragic thing.

Right now I should be sleeping but I’ve been trying to take as few norco as possible so I’m on the edge of DTs and haven’t been able to get more than an hour or two of sleep at a time. I need to get some more CBD I haven’t tried it since getting of the MSER I might have to pick some up on the way to work later.



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