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Lakeland, Florida City Commisioner Shoots and Kills Perp Shoplifting From His Business

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posted on Oct, 19 2018 @ 07:20 PM
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a reply to: worldstarcountry

So they are working to subvert rule of law? tsk, tsk.




posted on Oct, 19 2018 @ 07:27 PM
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originally posted by: vonclod
a reply to: worldstarcountry

So they are working to subvert rule of law? tsk, tsk.

I believe under the psycopathic sentencing guide the mandatory punishment is castration with a blunt instrument.



posted on Oct, 19 2018 @ 07:47 PM
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a reply to: BigDave-AR


I'm thinking creative..hmm, I remember in one of the Jackass movies..the "Lamborghini Tooth Pull" comes to mind



posted on Oct, 20 2018 @ 11:10 AM
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lol, only the mockers can come up with torture methods.

He was arrested and charged with murder after a Grand Jury indictment. Now it is time to see my defense plan come into action. His defense team has already received my proposed defense position. Now they will fine tooth comb it over and do their legalese. I think once the letter of the law is laid out, the trial jury should acquit.


LAKELAND — A Lakeland city commissioner surrendered Friday to face a second-degree murder charge in the Oct. 3 fatal shooting of a suspected shoplifter at a military surplus store.

Michael Dunn, who has served on the City Commission since January, arrived at the Polk County Jail in Bartow shortly after 6 p.m., accompanied by detectives in an unmarked car.

At a news conference a half-hour later, Polk State Attorney Brian Haas said he doesn’t believe the killing of 50-year-old Christobal Lopez was premeditated. But he also doesn’t see grounds for a self-defense claim. So he took the matter to a grand jury, which indicted Dunn.

"Let me be clear: It is the policy of my office to comply with and abide by the stand your ground law," Haas said. "However, I have determined that this case and the actions of Mr. Dunn fall outside the protection of the stand your ground law."

No problem, I never said or expected Stand your ground law was what would apply here in this case. That is a different court, and it was rejected. So now its time to fill the jury pool with sympathetic old people and we should be good once my defense plan goes into action by the paid attorneys.


Dunn’s attorney, Rusty Franklin, has previously told reporters that Dunn was justified in shooting Lopez because he was holding a hatchet during the scuffle. In the video, an object is visible in Lopez’s right hand.

Just nine days passed before the Lakeland Police Department referred a criminal complaint affidavit to the State Attorney’s Office, Police Chief Larry Giddens said, joining Haas at the news conference.

"In those few days," Giddens said, "the scene was processed, all witnesses were interviewed, the victim’s family was interviewed, the defendant’s statement was obtained, multiple reports were written.

"The Medical Examiner’s Office conducted their investigation, the surveillance video was downloaded and then compiled so it could be viewed."

The arrest came 16 days after the shooting.

The only problem is, the family of the deceased got one of the best firms in the southeast to defend them. Morgan & Morgan. They have quite a successful track record. So this will be one epic trial. I am going to follow it and see if my plan can defeat the Morgan firm's attorney Adam Kemp. Nothing against the Morgans, they have been instrumental in helping to get marijuana decriminalized in the state and continue to do so. This is just business.



posted on Oct, 20 2018 @ 11:35 AM
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a reply to: worldstarcountry

Can’t tell if you believe the BS you spout, leaning towards you just being delusional but of course I’m wrong he’ll get off thanks to your handholding of the defense team I’m sure they’ll be eternally grateful.



posted on Oct, 20 2018 @ 11:36 AM
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originally posted by: worldstarcountry
would anyone's opinion change if the lethally armed shoplifter had a history of violent and/or criminal behavior?? Although I doubt it to be the case or the news would have reported it by now.


I honestly think maybe it is time to revisit lethal force for property crimes if you ask me. Maybe shoot the next idiot that tries to yank flags off peoples' property too. Maybe people will start having better manners and behave then.



Be careful what you ask for.
It would not end well for the homeowner if they were able to get away with shooting someone for someone stealing their flag. There is a good chance his house would be burned to the ground.

It would also not create a more behaved society either.
It would create a free for all gun shooting country like Somalia.



posted on Oct, 20 2018 @ 01:18 PM
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originally posted by: sdcigarpig
Having looked at the video and read the article the following can be stated:

What the person did, who got shot, was wrong, stealing is a crime and should not be tolerated or accepted. However, the shop owner is equally wrong here. There is no justice here. Only death.

The person who had the gun, who shot the other guy, did not think about justice, when he pulled the trigger on his weapon. He acted as judge, jury and executioner. While the guy who stole deserved to be punished, but did he deserve to die? And the man who killed him, is he not suppose to uphold the laws of the community and state?





The shooter is now a criminal as well.
He broke the law.



posted on Oct, 22 2018 @ 08:15 AM
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Theft =/= murder tho



posted on Oct, 22 2018 @ 08:24 AM
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would anyone's opinion change if the lethally armed shoplifter had a history of violent and/or criminal behavior?? Although I doubt it to be the case or the news would have reported it by now. I honestly think maybe it is time to revisit lethal force for property crimes if you ask me. Maybe shoot the next idiot that tries to yank flags off peoples' property too. Maybe people will start having better manners and behave then.


What in the hell are you talking about? Past and prior convictions do not dictate criminality for life. Past and prior convictions; do not justify murder for petty theft. It literally has nothing to do with anything at all surrounding THIS CRIME.


As general rule, the law leans in the opposite way of psychologists when it comes to predictive behavior, and past criminal behavior cannot be used to prove that you committed a crime. Even if you've been convicted of a DUI, prosecutors can't use that to say you drove drunk again.


FindLaw - Can Past Convictions Be Used As Evidence?

But remind me how this man's paid lawyers who likely make more in one month than you do in a year, need you to hold their hands in order to have him acquitted... >_<

Utter rubbish.
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posted on Oct, 22 2018 @ 03:20 PM
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Past and prior convictions do not dictate criminality for life.


Well said. I was researching this morning a guy who was serving a prison sentence in Wormwood Scrubs when a prison visitor suggested to him going straight. The actual message was, "If you put the same energy you put into crime into a straight business you'd be successful and you wouldn't have to look over your shoulder." Checked his business this morning and he's still going strong. Big up Van.


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posted on Oct, 22 2018 @ 03:37 PM
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kek, hand holding. playing follow the leader now are we?

Not much sympathy for lethally armed criminals in this world, especially if they were neutralized during the commission of a crime. Certainly not here in Florida.

I am merely a citizen observer offering the team my input. Plus I like participating in local activities and interacting with fellow humans in person. What is the harm if I offer an already clear cut path to acquittal?

I said from the beginning that we would settle for criminal negligence. I think the jury will allow him to walk though with a trial if the plaintiffs refuse the plea deal. I outlined within the Florida statutes and Florida Department of Law Enforcement criminal code the path to that acquittal.

What are your opinions on the laws I posted that draw a line towards justified defense based on the letter of the law?? How do you feel about the law being written that way, and the possibility that the man will walk free by a jury of his peers?



posted on Oct, 26 2018 @ 02:48 AM
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said from the beginning that we would settle for criminal negligence.


Who is 'we'? Do you have a frog in your pocket?



posted on Oct, 26 2018 @ 02:50 AM
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A bloody Grand Jury found reason enough to indict this man, and still you think his 'exit strategy' to wash his hands clean of this mess is so clear cut... You're out of your tree lol.



posted on Oct, 27 2018 @ 12:40 AM
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All an indicment does is authorize an arrest warrant. You act like beating indictments at trial is unheard of. It's easier to indict than to convict. I still win if he takes a plea negligence.







 
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