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originally posted by: queenofswords
a reply to: TinySickTears
i wanted to talk about is there anything that can be done to reduce this kind of #..
I will make the first suggestion:
1) Make sure an attorney general (Eric Holder?) doesn't sell illegal guns (Fast & Furious) to Mexican cartels where they somehow find their way back into our country to kill.
(Just one suggestion.)
originally posted by: TinySickTears
originally posted by: infolurker
Talk about what? Disarming me?
That is what you want to talk about correct?
no its not
do you even read
i said it 3 times now. i do not support banning guns. i do not think taking guns away will solve anything
i wanted to talk about is there anything that can be done to reduce this kind of #..
i thought i was clear on that...
guess not
im done.
m mistake for wanting to have a discussion. i keep forgetting how # is around here these days
i will try to stick to talking about fatbergs
originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: TinySickTears
How about this?
Let's talk about teaching people values again rather than strictly being secular and moral relativistic about everything? That doesn't necessarily mean religious education, but perhaps there are objective truths and actual morals that should be taught.
Police admit they cannot eradicate a black market that is peddling illegal guns to criminals," the Adelaide Advertiser conceded a few years ago. "Motorcycle gang members and convicted criminals barred from buying guns in South Australia have no difficulty obtaining illegal firearms - including fully automatic weapons."
More recently, the country's The New Daily gained access to "previously unpublished data for firearms offences" and reported a surge in crime "including a massive 83 per cent increase in firearms offences in NSW between 2005/06 and 2014/15, and an even bigger jump in Victoria over the same period."
"Australians may be more at risk from gun crime than ever before with the country's underground market for firearms ballooning in the past decade," the report added. "[T]he national ban on semi-automatic weapons following the Port Arthur massacre had spawned criminal demand for handguns."
Much as the Mafia and other organized criminal outfits rose to power, wealth, and prominence by supplying illegal liquor during Prohibition in the United States, outlaw motorcycle gangs in Australia appear to be building international connections and making money by supplying guns to willing buyers.
Obviously, items like rocket launchers come from specialized sources. "[T]hefts of guns from the Australian defence forces accounts for a steady stream of weapons falling into the hands of criminals," according to yet another news report. The military-sourced guns have been linked to crimes, including murder.
But like American bootleggers who supplemented smuggled booze with bathtub gin, Australia's organized criminal outfits have learned the joy of DIY production. A South Australia man was arrested in 2012 for manufacturing guns, including submachine guns, for criminals. A year later, New South Wales jeweler was busted for cranking out "up to 100 of the perfectly constructed MAC 10 machine guns" for motorcycle gang members.
In 2000 the Australian Institute of Criminology reported "the homicide rate for Australia has stayed remarkably constant. The highest rate recorded over the last 11 years was 2 per 100,000 and the lowest rate was 1.7 per 100,000." So in the intervening years, they've basically seen a continuation of the "modest decline" referred to in the academic assessment cited above.
By contrast, without Australia's confiscation policy, the United States has seen its murder (including nonnegligent manslaughter) rate drop from 9.3 homicides per 100,000 U.S. residents in 1992 to 4.7 in 2011 and decline further, to 4.5 per 100,000 in 2014, the last year for which full data is available. During this time, the number of firearms in civilian hands increased by roughly 50 percent, to an estimated 300 million.
If Australia's gun policy has coincided with a continuing "modest decline" in its homicide rate, it has had more dramatic results elsewhere. The confiscation drove many of the country's peaceful gun owners underground. It also—and this is important if America's Prohibition-era experience is any guide—empowered a growing organized crime network that is enriched by the trade in guns, drugs, and other goods that people desire and that governments vainly tries to keep out of their hands. That crime network has developed international contacts, and grown wealthy and dangerous. Investigative journalists suggest the organized black market in firearms is fueling a surge in crime that has yet to appear in statistics.
Australia will have to live with the rise in organized crime for years to come.
originally posted by: projectvxn
Oh look another dumb ban the guns thread.
i know i dont want guns banned. thats for sure
originally posted by: Krakatoa
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Whaaa....nobody agreed with me so I'm going home.
Grow a pair, will ya.
its just frustration. i dont want people to agree with me. the opposite. i want people to discuss things and actually read the posts. i do not want guns banned and isaid it in the OP yet thats all people are saying. saying thats my agenda. like i said its just me being frustrated at not being able to have a discussion. i want to hear from people that do not agree with me. at the least though i want them to be honest at what this is about. it is not about me wanting guns banned.
Fact is, you got called out and exposed for what your underlying reason was and you took exception.
there is no underlying reason. i have been saying i think irresponsbile people with guns are a problem. not the only problem but its part
If YOU don't like firearms, and decide not to exercise your own 2nd amendment right, great!!! All the power to you, I support you in that decision. However, do not try to push your brand of anti-gun thought upon those that disagree.
people keep saying i am anti gun and want them banned. this is not true. i own a gun.
Want to discuss what is causing people to act out violently toward each other? OK....let's take one reason.
DEMOCRATIC politicians calling for mob violence to "resist" the legally elected POTUS. Politicians that claim there cannot be any civility. Politicians that claim to their followers to confront "them" wherever they are, and harass them at every opportunity.
How about discussing that aspect?
originally posted by: ClovenSky
a reply to: TinySickTears
Well, there have been a few posters that gave you some excellent material for the root of the problem. But you immediately condemned them because it goes against your ideology.
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get all that from their names or what? or did being low by the border give you a big clue??
originally posted by: ClovenSky
a reply to: TinySickTears
get all that from their names or what? or did being low by the border give you a big clue??
Was that comment meant to encourage further discussion down that path. If so, I apologize as I read it differently.
Sounds like mexican gangbangers doing mexican gangbanger #.
originally posted by: TinySickTears
originally posted by: Krakatoa
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Whaaa....nobody agreed with me so I'm going home.
Grow a pair, will ya.
its just frustration. i dont want people to agree with me. the opposite. i want people to discuss things and actually read the posts. i do not want guns banned and isaid it in the OP yet thats all people are saying. saying thats my agenda. like i said its just me being frustrated at not being able to have a discussion. i want to hear from people that do not agree with me. at the least though i want them to be honest at what this is about. it is not about me wanting guns banned.
Fact is, you got called out and exposed for what your underlying reason was and you took exception.
there is no underlying reason. i have been saying i think irresponsbile people with guns are a problem. not the only problem but its part
If YOU don't like firearms, and decide not to exercise your own 2nd amendment right, great!!! All the power to you, I support you in that decision. However, do not try to push your brand of anti-gun thought upon those that disagree.
people keep saying i am anti gun and want them banned. this is not true. i own a gun.
Want to discuss what is causing people to act out violently toward each other? OK....let's take one reason.
DEMOCRATIC politicians calling for mob violence to "resist" the legally elected POTUS. Politicians that claim there cannot be any civility. Politicians that claim to their followers to confront "them" wherever they are, and harass them at every opportunity.
How about discussing that aspect?
ok. here are my thoughts on the above
i do not support mob violence.
i do not support politicians saying there can be no civility
i do not support people confronting and harassing others
3 pages in and people are still saying i want guns banned.
it is frustrating man.
originally posted by: Krakatoa
So, you agree politicians shouldn't be calling for violence to push their incessant need for power. What have you done to address that?
I speak to as many people as I can trying to reveal this agenda....but people do not want to hear it....do you?