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4 dead, 1 hurt in shooting at Texas toddler’s birthday party

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posted on Oct, 14 2018 @ 03:48 PM
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www.foxnews.com...


At least four men were killed and another was injured Saturday after a shooting at a toddler’s birthday party in southern Texas, police said as they hunt for two suspects who fled the scene.
Two families gathered at a home in Taft, 12 miles north of Corpus Christi, just after 5 p.m. Saturday for a child’s first birthday party when an altercation ensued, Corpus Christi Caller Times reported.
The shooters opened fire, killing four men at the party. Another man was taken to the hospital in unknown condition.


this is another example why i personally dont subscribe to the train of though that more guns are better.

we have had this debate over and over again

"if a person had a gun on him when xxxxx went down then he could/would have stopped it"

i agree to a point. he could have stopped it. could have also made it worse

i stand by my statements that i think there are a lot of cowboys out there.
situations like this
or the 2 guys that wasted a guy in an alley over dumping some mattresses

there is a serious problem with violence in general in this country and a serious problem with gun violence.

its a tough situation because people can and should have the right to protect themselves.

on one side armed citizens could maybe prevent things from happenning
the other side is the more people with guns on them means more people that can do # like this

its a situation where i dont really know how i really feel.

i know i dont want guns banned. thats for sure

i just dont know what the answer is.
what type of gun regulation could actually work?

like i was talking in another thread, there is law abiding and then there is responsible.
they are not the same thing.

just because a person has a clean background and goes through the ccw class does not mean they are a responsible gun owner.

so realistically what can we do?
what should we do?



in this situation would these people still be alive?
it is not something we can know

maybe they would have just duke it out.
maybe they would have grabbed knives.
maybe they would have gone to get their gun...

in the end i think the gun issue, and there is one is an impossible situation



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posted on Oct, 14 2018 @ 03:52 PM
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Gun violence is actually going down year by year........but every time some jerk decides he hates people, we act like that its an epidemic.......you know whats an epidemic? People who think that we can allow a country of people to have no consequences for their actions and a bunch of excuses to act like a prick all day and then we expect them to not resort to this kind of stuff.

Its not the gun, its the person and we are enabling the person to think that this is the way to go.



posted on Oct, 14 2018 @ 03:54 PM
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a reply to: TinySickTears

its as what Kanye West said, the problem is with the illegal guns not the legal guns



posted on Oct, 14 2018 @ 03:55 PM
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TAFT, Texas (AP) — Investigators say a party in South Texas to mark a toddler’s first birthday erupted in gunfire, leaving four men dead and a fifth man wounded.

The Texas Department of Public Safety says the shooting happened shortly after 5 p.m. Saturday in Taft, 12 miles (19 kilometers) north of Corpus Christi. Sgt. Nathan Brandley said an altercation erupted between two families attending the party and escalated into a deadly shooting.

Brandley says one suspect is in custody. He says a second suspect hasn’t yet been arrested.

Brandley identified those killed as 62-year-old Juan Espinoza Sr.; 20-year-old Juan Sandoval III; 22-year-old Jeremy Sandoval; and 25-year-old Nicky Sandoval. He didn’t immediately say how they were related.

The wounded man, 43-year-old Juan Espinoza Jr., was airlifted to a Corpus Christi hospital. Brandley says he’s expected to survive.

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posted on Oct, 14 2018 @ 04:00 PM
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originally posted by: Dr UAE
a reply to: TinySickTears

its as what Kanye West said, the problem is with the illegal guns not the legal guns


huge problem for sure.
not the only problem

another problem is irresponsible people carrying guns


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posted on Oct, 14 2018 @ 04:03 PM
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a reply to: TinySickTears

Sounds like mexican gangbangers doing mexican gangbanger #.

What does that have to do with American laws?
edit on 14-10-2018 by Woodcarver because: (no reason given)



posted on Oct, 14 2018 @ 04:06 PM
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originally posted by: Woodcarver
a reply to: TinySickTears

Sounds like mexican gangbangers doing mexican gangbanger #.


Yeah I agree because what normal People bring a weapon to a babies party?



posted on Oct, 14 2018 @ 04:07 PM
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originally posted by: Woodcarver
a reply to: TinySickTears

Sounds like mexican gangbangers doing mexican gangbanger #.


get all that from their names or what?
or did being low by the border give you a big clue??



posted on Oct, 14 2018 @ 04:08 PM
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originally posted by: SeaWorthy

originally posted by: Woodcarver
a reply to: TinySickTears

Sounds like mexican gangbangers doing mexican gangbanger #.


Yeah I agree because what normal People bring a weapon to a babies party?


yeah thats something only mexican bangers do

hahahahah

do they even have parties for 4 year olds?


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posted on Oct, 14 2018 @ 04:08 PM
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originally posted by: TinySickTears

originally posted by: Woodcarver
a reply to: TinySickTears

Sounds like mexican gangbangers doing mexican gangbanger #.


get all that from their names or what?
or did being low by the border give you a big clue??

I guess they could be doctors or lawyers right?


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posted on Oct, 14 2018 @ 04:09 PM
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We don't have a gun problem; we have a filthy thug problem.



posted on Oct, 14 2018 @ 04:10 PM
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The problem is that people don't think that another person's life matters, not enough.

Once you reach that point, it doesn't matter what tools are to hand. People will treat others as if their lives are worthless. You think the guns are the issue? Look at how many people are getting acid thrown on them or being stabbed in the UK. It's the same attitude at work over there.

The problem is in the people, not the tools at hand.



posted on Oct, 14 2018 @ 04:10 PM
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originally posted by: Woodcarver

originally posted by: TinySickTears

originally posted by: Woodcarver
a reply to: TinySickTears

Sounds like mexican gangbangers doing mexican gangbanger #.


get all that from their names or what?
or did being low by the border give you a big clue??

I guess they could be doctors or lawyers right?


not likely
back alley abortion docs maybe?



posted on Oct, 14 2018 @ 04:10 PM
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what type of gun regulation could actually work?


Ban all guns world wide. I mean all guns, cops , military ,civilians, secret service, Nobody can get a gun ever .

Life sentence for even making one or owning one .

That is the only way it could work and that will never happen so it will never work.



posted on Oct, 14 2018 @ 04:11 PM
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originally posted by: TinySickTears

originally posted by: Woodcarver

originally posted by: TinySickTears

originally posted by: Woodcarver
a reply to: TinySickTears

Sounds like mexican gangbangers doing mexican gangbanger #.


get all that from their names or what?
or did being low by the border give you a big clue??

I guess they could be doctors or lawyers right?


not likely
back alley abortion docs maybe?
Perhaps this was an extremely late term mass abortion?



posted on Oct, 14 2018 @ 04:12 PM
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If guns kill people why do we send people to war with guns?

Why not just send the guns?

Ozzy.
edit on 14-10-2018 by notsure1 because: (no reason given)



posted on Oct, 14 2018 @ 04:12 PM
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originally posted by: ketsuko


The problem is in the people, not the tools at hand.


which is why i say that irresponsible gun owners are a part of the problem.

which is why i wanted to have a discussion.
which is why i asked what should be done if anything.



posted on Oct, 14 2018 @ 04:12 PM
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a reply to: TinySickTears


Blame the guns, not the arseholes who are so uncivilized that use them to kill unarmed people at a birthday party!



posted on Oct, 14 2018 @ 04:12 PM
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originally posted by: TinySickTears

originally posted by: Dr UAE
a reply to: TinySickTears

its as what Kanye West said, the problem is with the illegal guns not the legal guns


huge problem for sure.
not the only problem

another problem is irresponsible people carrying guns



irresponsible people dont get to have legal guns do they?
edit on 14 10 2018 by Dr UAE because: (no reason given)



posted on Oct, 14 2018 @ 04:13 PM
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The BODIES ARE NOT EVEN COLD YET!!!!

YET here you are OP,

turning THIS SHOOTING TRAGEDY into your political football to toss around

and bully pull pit your AGENDA!! STOP with the BULL SH!T !!

No real details yet dead bodies everywhere you DO NOT CARE ONE FREAKIN BIT!!

Shame on you OP and GOD BLESS these people and families !!!



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