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Communist Democrats Say the Craziest things about Healthcare in this country

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posted on Oct, 13 2018 @ 10:26 PM
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I was reading an article on healthcare in this country and it had the following quote:

"Rapid growth in the cost of U.S. health care has put sustained downward pressure on wages and incomes. This rapid growth of spending has not purchased notably high-quality care, however. U.S. spending on health care is higher than in peer countries, while quality is lower. These high costs cannot be attributed to overuse of health care in America; instead, it is clear that the high price of health care is the culprit. Prices for pharmaceuticals, physician salaries, and medical procedures are almost uniformly higher in the U.S. than in peer countries—sometimes staggeringly so."

Is there any way this is possible true or is this just typical communist rhetoric coming from the political left?

Is this evidence laissez faire capitalism simply does not work in this country because we always end up with cartels and monopolies gouging the consumers, or, is there some other reason why the free-market doesn't keep healthcare costs efficient and under control. How does what know what to believe other than to trust the source of the information as being truthful and trustworthy?




posted on Oct, 13 2018 @ 10:30 PM
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a reply to: dfnj2015

Dr. Ron Paul explains that the field of medicine in the US is the only sector where the more that is spent on everything, and I mean everything, to do with it the more it all costs. Economies of Scale is totally inverse, its a true marvel, an enigma, a paradox of economics and ethics.




posted on Oct, 13 2018 @ 10:31 PM
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a reply to: dfnj2015

Here is the deal... capitalism would work fine if posted pricing and competition were allowed but they are not.

Do you see posted pricing on your healthcare services? There is actually a law that prevents it.

If we had posted pricing and you could shop around for your tests, surgeries, etc. prices would fall.


Look at Lazik, quality and technology gets better every year and the price keeps dropping... why, because they compete.


Why can't you go to a website and see a comparitive list of what an office visit cost? Why can't you receive an order for tests from your doctor and you can shop prices for that catscan or blood test and then choose where you want to go based on price, location, distance, etc.

Why can healthcare providers have "Variable Pricing".

These are the primary problems along with the AMA artificially limiting the supply of doctors through artificial limits on residencies all in an effort to keep wages high.

These are the problems that need to be addressed.

Break Up The Trade Union Called The AMA
www.abovetopsecret.com...


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posted on Oct, 13 2018 @ 10:31 PM
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a reply to: dfnj2015

Maybe Single Payer (aka "Medicare for All") is a solution. Medicare keeps a tight lid on what doctors/hospitals can charge.

It would only work if taxes were raised and private health insurance was outlawed, however.

America does not have "free market competition" in healthcare. It's a collusion-based system, just like the mainstream media.



posted on Oct, 13 2018 @ 10:37 PM
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originally posted by: infolurker
a reply to: dfnj2015

Here is the deal... capitalism would work fine if posted pricing and competition were allowed but they are not.

Do you see posted pricing on your healthcare services? There is actually a law that prevents it.


There are laws that enslave men and there are laws that set them free. I find it kind of interesting and ironic that the solution to getting rid of the cartels and monopolies requires BIG government to pass new regulations. But the people with all the money and power do NOT believe in BIG government so no new laws regulating the cartels and monopolies are ever created. I wonder why???????????



posted on Oct, 13 2018 @ 10:38 PM
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a reply to: dfnj2015




is there some other reason why the free-market doesn't keep healthcare costs efficient and under control


Yes. The other explanation is that they got use to making outrageous sums of money when, for that short time, it was mandatory. It will come down. Hopefully crashing down.

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posted on Oct, 13 2018 @ 10:42 PM
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a reply to: infolurker




Why can't you go to a website and see a comparitive list of what an office visit cost?


Because people like your don't see the potential in creating one.



posted on Oct, 13 2018 @ 10:44 PM
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a reply to: dfnj2015

Insurance companies, federal subsidies, regulations on compensation, and welfare health coverage happened. None of these are capitalist. Insurance companies are corporatist, federal subsidies and welfare are socialist, and regulations are fascist.

Go back 60 years and we had good doctors serving patients who lacked the means to pay in cash under barter or personal installment payback agreements. The feds nuked that because the IRS didn't get their blood money and the insurance companies didn't get their choke hold on the system.

The fix for the system is to outlaw health insurance... liquidate every insurance company's assets and distribute the value evenly in a trust account in each subscriber's name to be used for health needs until it runs out. Costs will plummet as this happens. They will stay low by eliminating the federal meddling in legal exchange between a patient and provider. Then, nuke everything but Medicare, which the recipients already paid into, and force everyone into the same basket: a competitive free market of doctors wanting patients willing to work with patients wanting doctors That would be capitalism, and it would fix the system.

Prescriptions... eliminate the laws allowing propriety on formulas Let's get back to the days where most medicines are mixed by a pharmacist apothecary.



posted on Oct, 13 2018 @ 10:47 PM
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originally posted by: dfnj2015

originally posted by: infolurker
a reply to: dfnj2015

Here is the deal... capitalism would work fine if posted pricing and competition were allowed but they are not.

Do you see posted pricing on your healthcare services? There is actually a law that prevents it.


There are laws that enslave men and there are laws that set them free. I find it kind of interesting and ironic that the solution to getting rid of the cartels and monopolies requires BIG government to pass new regulations. But the people with all the money and power do NOT believe in BIG government so no new laws regulating the cartels and monopolies are ever created. I wonder why???????????


Dude, they pay the politicians FOR THEIR damned monopolies and unfair business practices. Big Government so called regulations give them this ability in the first place. Have you seen what the Pharmaceutical companies are doing? They are getting monopolies on drugs, some 40 years old, and boosting the prices thousands of % because Big Government passed regulations and laws allowing them to do it and nobody else can compete with them!!!

Things that need to happen:

Pharmaceutical Domestic Responsibility: Patent Law and Orphan Drug Reform making it illegal for any company to gain "exclusivity" to production of a common drug and boosting the prices 10,000 percent. Generics must be allowed within reasonable timelines. No entities may patent medical (or any) technology and or drugs and not develop said products or their patent will be voided to public domain.

Artificial Health Practitioner Shortages: The standard practice of severely limiting the number of Doctors and Specialist must end immediately. Anyone receiving a score of xxx on the xxx test battery will be accepted into advanced medical classes which will end the artificial quotas.

Posted Pricing. All Medical establishments must post prices for all tests, drugs, and procedures utilizing a "universal common code" so that the patient may choose where to receive these tests, drugs, and procedures from any vendor of their choosing.


Here is the link to a previous discussion with a crap ton of sources;

www.abovetopsecret.com...

www.abovetopsecret.com...

www.abovetopsecret.com...


www.abovetopsecret.com...

Harvard Study Reveals Drug Prices are High in U.S. Because Government Grants Monopoly to Big Pharma
jamanetwork.com...


We need to abolish the laws and regulations that allow unfair / monopoly activity.
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posted on Oct, 13 2018 @ 10:48 PM
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a reply to: dfnj2015

Healthcare.

*sigh*


Did you know that Obamacare mandated that doctors/hospitals charge a certain amount or else they got no reimbusement from government?

Nah.

Probably not.


But if you're going to attack the high costs of healthcare, start with the government mandates.



posted on Oct, 13 2018 @ 10:48 PM
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a reply to: burdman30ott6

Insurance company assets were amassed due to working people paying through the nose. Are you suggesting that those assets be re-distributed to everyone? Even those who have never contributed?



posted on Oct, 13 2018 @ 10:52 PM
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a reply to: burdman30ott6


Okay. You have the answer.

Another question.

How would we go about getting that through congress, especially when they don't pay for healthcare now?


Should we try a shaming process? Attack both sides of the isle, until one crumbles under the pressure of the majorities voice?



posted on Oct, 13 2018 @ 10:53 PM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: dfnj2015
But if you're going to attack the high costs of healthcare, start with the government mandates.


Two HUGE reasons for high costs are:
1. Americans are "wealthy" compared to most other countries.
2. Americans want to feel better IMMEDIATELY, and are willing to pay dearly for that benefit.



posted on Oct, 13 2018 @ 11:02 PM
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originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: dfnj2015
But if you're going to attack the high costs of healthcare, start with the government mandates.


Two HUGE reasons for high costs are:
1. Americans are "wealthy" compared to most other countries.
2. Americans want to feel better IMMEDIATELY, and are willing to pay dearly for that benefit.


Sorry to disagree but those are not the main factors... see links above.

Primary Factors

1) Not allowing competition due to not having posted pricing for diagnostics and services / variable pricing
2) Exclusivity / Monopoly activities on both drugs and medical devices
3) AMA limiting doctor supply

All of these factors are due to laws and regulations enacted on behalf of the parties profiting massively.



posted on Oct, 13 2018 @ 11:03 PM
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a reply to: carewemust

A third reason for high costs is because government (state/local/federal) has washed it's hands of taking care of mental care and hospitals have had to raise rates to offset the costs of treating those with mental illnesses.



posted on Oct, 13 2018 @ 11:11 PM
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I keep mentioning it, if you look at the cash only, or the surgery centers that don't accept govt health care they can offer a significantly cheaper cost that accepting Medicare for example.

If they accept medicare they are not allowed to publish the cost of everything, and when you cant let people know the true cost its only a matter of time before corruption seeps in.



posted on Oct, 13 2018 @ 11:16 PM
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Doctor charges are higher because of increased costs of their workers and their benefits. The cost of healthcare is mainly higher because doctors prescribe tests and procedures to make sure the people in the medical profession keep employed. We have too many healthcare jobs in this country, we need factory workers to keep the economy going. The Pharma companies are raising their prices to increase their profits. The advertising of their meds costs a lot of money, I would bet they spend more on advertising now than they spend on their research. You won't hear the television stations complaining because it is income for them. You also won't hear the TV stations saying bad things about the Pharma company because they would lose income from the ads.

Technology is raising the price of healthcare quite a bit, technology that is not needed half the time. We got problems and we have to step back and look at these and try to figure out how to fix the problems with overpriced and inferior healthcare. I am not going to let someone stick something up my butt and take pictures unless I have symptoms that justify the disease. The healthcare system and Pharma companies are making us fear things we need not fear, so they can profit by us buying their services and products. There are a lot of companies calling seniors to get them to ask their doctors for stuff like back braces and knee braces. Those products are expensive, they can be purchased way cheaper in some stores or online, but the insurance will not pay for them that way.

Doctors around here don't get rich unless they are deceivers. Overhead is high in their business. There are deceivers though, a third of the doctors here just want to get you to constantly come in and get test after test.



posted on Oct, 13 2018 @ 11:21 PM
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a reply to: DBCowboy

And the touch-feely types like Oprah and Doctor Phil EXPLODED the mental care profession. Normal people who were spanked as children, were convinced that all of life's problems stemmed from those spankings. Only in-depth counseling and care could help.

In the late 1990's mental care benefits began to be dialed back by health insurance companies. The bigger Oprah got (not physically, lol), the more they were reduced.



posted on Oct, 13 2018 @ 11:35 PM
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a reply to: Irishhaf

Often times the most expensive medical costs are associated with things where you have no control. Like the $20,000 air-ambulance from a crash scene. Or the $80,000 emergency bypass after a heart-attack.

I suppose you could keep a note in your wallet that says, " In the event I cannot communicate, The most I will pay for ___________ is $______. Take it or leave it!".



posted on Oct, 13 2018 @ 11:44 PM
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a reply to: carewemust

No, I said SUBSCRIBERS, aka those who paid into the plans.



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