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Alleged Unseen NASA Apollo 11 Faked Studio Moon Landing Video Montage Appears Online

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posted on Oct, 15 2018 @ 01:08 AM
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I am personally of the view that we have visited the moon, but fake footage was probably compiled at the time in case something with the launch went wrong and they didn't want to be seen as failures on the broadcast. A lot was riding on the US being seen as the first successful nation to land on the moon without leaving it fully to chance alone.




posted on Oct, 15 2018 @ 01:28 AM
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originally posted by: DividedByZero
I am personally of the view that we have visited the moon, but fake footage was probably compiled at the time in case something with the launch went wrong and they didn't want to be seen as failures on the broadcast. A lot was riding on the US being seen as the first successful nation to land on the moon without leaving it fully to chance alone.


I know my country sent some stuff out there and that some astronauts never came back.

It is terrible to just think about a couple people out there in space, traveling forever in their suits, all dreams of glory and hopes cut short

People in the US would not allow this to happen, lots of head would roll for sure, and it would not be possible to hide so maybe yes they did took steps to prevent a similar case and one of them may have been a second broadcast, just in case

I also think the US and other countries have already moved beyond that and they just don't say so. Like military stuff i just can't believe at all they can't go there whatever time they want



posted on Oct, 15 2018 @ 01:28 AM
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posted on Oct, 15 2018 @ 01:28 AM
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posted on Oct, 15 2018 @ 03:18 AM
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originally posted by: BoneSay
It is terrible to just think about a couple people out there in space, traveling forever in their suits, all dreams of glory and hopes cut short


That would be terrible, if such a thing had ever happened, but it did not.



posted on Oct, 15 2018 @ 03:24 AM
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originally posted by: OneBigMonkeyToo

originally posted by: BoneSay
It is terrible to just think about a couple people out there in space, traveling forever in their suits, all dreams of glory and hopes cut short


That would be terrible, if such a thing had ever happened, but it did not.

It was an intriguing story though, that hoaxed recording of the female cosmonaut was pretty harrowing.



posted on Oct, 15 2018 @ 03:56 AM
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originally posted by: BigDave-AR

originally posted by: OneBigMonkeyToo

originally posted by: BoneSay
It is terrible to just think about a couple people out there in space, traveling forever in their suits, all dreams of glory and hopes cut short


That would be terrible, if such a thing had ever happened, but it did not.

It was an intriguing story though, that hoaxed recording of the female cosmonaut was pretty harrowing.


I did not know about a recording but yes that's fake. As far as i know they were just simply missing and communication got lost, and just because people added to the story and made it dramatical doesn't mean it did not happen, it just didn't happen the way people tell about it

I know back then there were lots and lots of lies and hiding from the world what was really going on, the US also had people die trying to achieve space travel, why would not Russia? I don't think it is fake, it just did not happen the dramatical way the story is told, it got mudded and lost credibility, that's all
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posted on Oct, 15 2018 @ 04:08 AM
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a reply to: BoneSay

Many have died in the US and USSR, however all the astronauts and cosmonauts that have died were either on the ground, on re-entry or on launch - there aren't any bodies floating around in space.



posted on Oct, 15 2018 @ 05:45 AM
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originally posted by: OneBigMonkeyToo
a reply to: BoneSay

Many have died in the US and USSR, however all the astronauts and cosmonauts that have died were either on the ground, on re-entry or on launch - there aren't any bodies floating around in space.


But how do you now that? I don't speak for everyone but also i don't believe all things i heard from other people, specially at that level and on those days



posted on Oct, 15 2018 @ 06:12 AM
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originally posted by: and14263
I think I have seen this on here before - I believe the explanation was that it is from a film - I cannot remember which film though. And you can imagine what happens when I type 'faked moon landing footage' into the ATS search engine - I get a load of results back about dancing cats.


Some of the stills in the 2nd post by the OP really do look like shots or maybe deleted scenes from the movie

Operation Avalanche.

link to IMDB page below

www.imdb.com...





edit: read the rest of the thread.

A big
to OneBigMonkeyToo
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posted on Oct, 15 2018 @ 06:42 AM
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a reply to: BoneSay

Because the actual deaths are well documented
Stories about astronauts doomed to orbit the sun forever are not.



posted on Oct, 16 2018 @ 04:54 AM
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originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: IAMNOTYOU



I keep repeating that i DONT KNOW, because i dont have enough facts to make a decision.


Such a cop out...

So who is lying, and what credible proof do you have to make such allegations?

The scientists world wide that gained invaluable information from the samples brought from the moon?

Foreign moon probes that show evidence of the landing sites?

Are you saying it was impossible?

What proof would make you realize man has been to the moon?


I have stated several times that i have NO PROOF and iam making NO ALLEGATIONS about anything!

I will try to make this as easy to understand as possible, maybe read it through a couple of times so you can understand.

My statement:
Due to numerous lies from goverment and agencies, and a policy to keep secrets, i cant trust ANYTHING coming from them. So i wont say it is true, just because it is the official story. That also means i wont say it is a lie, just because someone else says it is a lie. I just dont know.

Are you saying that goverment has never lied, and i need to find proof for you to see? You can take almost any other thread on this site, and find proof of lies.

Iam not trying to proof or convince you about anything. and i really dont care what you think i believe or not. I know the answer myself.

I dont care what scientist or other nations said. What I said was use better proof that saying it is impossible to fake.
That proof could be what scientist or other nations said and did.

So no, iam not saying it was impossible, iam just saying it wasnt impossible to fake either. Cant believe that is so hard to understand...



posted on Oct, 16 2018 @ 04:55 AM
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Moon landings as fake as a box of crackerjacks



posted on Oct, 16 2018 @ 08:17 AM
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originally posted by: IAMNOTYOU

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: IAMNOTYOU



I keep repeating that i DONT KNOW, because i dont have enough facts to make a decision.


Such a cop out...

So who is lying, and what credible proof do you have to make such allegations?

The scientists world wide that gained invaluable information from the samples brought from the moon?

Foreign moon probes that show evidence of the landing sites?

Are you saying it was impossible?

What proof would make you realize man has been to the moon?


I have stated several times that i have NO PROOF and iam making NO ALLEGATIONS about anything!

I will try to make this as easy to understand as possible, maybe read it through a couple of times so you can understand.

My statement:
Due to numerous lies from goverment and agencies, and a policy to keep secrets, i cant trust ANYTHING coming from them. So i wont say it is true, just because it is the official story. That also means i wont say it is a lie, just because someone else says it is a lie. I just dont know.


Which makes it all the more important that you actually do your own research to prove to yourself one way or the other. The tools you need are all out there, it's not difficult.



Are you saying that goverment has never lied, and i need to find proof for you to see? You can take almost any other thread on this site, and find proof of lies.


Irrelevant. Saying they argued about some things does not mean they lied about everything. The vast majority of people involved in the Apollo landings had nothing to do with the government. I have nothing to do with the government, I've never even been to the US - why would I lie?



Iam not trying to proof or convince you about anything. and i really dont care what you think i believe or not. I know the answer myself.


And that answer is?



I dont care what scientist or other nations said. What I said was use better proof that saying it is impossible to fake.
That proof could be what scientist or other nations said and did.


Like the scientists that examined the lunar rocks? Like the probes from China, India and Japan that support the landings? Like the weather satellite images of Earth? Like the photographs from lunar orbit that show the same small rocks and craters as Apollo images that weren't known about beforehand?



So no, iam not saying it was impossible, iam just saying it wasnt impossible to fake either. Cant believe that is so hard to understand...


And I'm saying, as have may others, that you're wrong and it was impossible to fake.

You can't fake the moon rocks.

You can't fake the images from the surface because it shows details on them that any country, or even business, could send up a probe and photograph. Why would China lie about the trails left on the ground - that's what their images show?

You can't fake a live TV broadcast with images of Earth showing the weather exactly as it should be.

You can't fake the behaviour of loose regolith when it's disturbed by feet in lunar gravity.



posted on Oct, 16 2018 @ 08:21 AM
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originally posted by: AthlonSavage
Moon landings as fake as a box of crackerjacks


Wow. Well, with all that massive amount of evidence and logical argument you supplied I can't help but be persuaded oh wait...



posted on Oct, 16 2018 @ 04:18 PM
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a reply to: OneBigMonkeyToo




Which makes it all the more important that you actually do your own research to prove to yourself one way or the other. The tools you need are all out there, it's not difficult.


Why is that importen? it wont affect my life, and i got nothing to prove. I find the subject interresting, and love to discuss it. But it is more importan to you than to me, so i cant invest so much time as you did. I count on you to be the expert in this matter when we talk, i will be the expert in other matters, that is more importen to me.
You got a lot of good points, and i do listen to you. But i cant verify them all. So in the future, when someone ask me what i believe about the moonlandings, i will direct them to you, since iam not allowed to not know the answer...




Irrelevant. Saying they argued about some things does not mean they lied about everything. The vast majority of people involved in the Apollo landings had nothing to do with the government. I have nothing to do with the government, I've never even been to the US - why would I lie?


Irrelevant?
I was asked directly about who was lying, and i gave a very relevant answer to that question.
Not saying everything is a lie, just that i dont know what is lies and what is not.

ETA: well you do lie about me and make it sound like i said something i never said. why would you do that, well youre not gonna like the answer:
I DONT KNOW!




And that answer is?


Well hidden in all the other post i made in this thread.




Like the scientists that examined the lunar rocks? Like the probes from China, India and Japan that support the landings? Like the weather satellite images of Earth? Like the photographs from lunar orbit that show the same small rocks and craters as Apollo images that weren't known about beforehand?


Again I was answering a question about a statement i made, that had nothing to do with scientist or other countries.
I actually said that using scientist and science done by other nations as proof instead of using the statement "500000 people cant be fooled, that is impossible" as proof, was a good idea. But it had nothing to do with what i commented on.



And I'm saying, as have may others, that you're wrong and it was impossible to fake. You can't fake the moon rocks.


fake moon rock



You can't fake the images from the surface because it shows details on them that any country, or even business, could send up a probe and photograph. Why would China lie about the trails left on the ground - that's what their images show?


Why do they lie about all the other stuff they lie about?



You can't fake a live TV broadcast with images of Earth showing the weather exactly as it should be. You can't fake the behaviour of loose regolith when it's disturbed by feet in lunar gravity.


Again with all the "it is impossible" stuff, why dont you use evidence of how it is possible instead?
Why dont you show me all the evidence you talk about? oh thats right, you wont, cause you have youre own webpage.

Only the sith deals in absolutes

Go back in time and take a deep hard look. How many times has science said something was impossible, only to be proven wrong?

And dude, seriously. Iam not trying to prove anything to you, so if you want to convince me about anything, the burden of proof is on you.
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posted on Oct, 16 2018 @ 06:58 PM
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a reply to: OneBigMonkeyToo

The evidence is overwhelming and all over internet. Open you eyes.
Look at the little bounds they take. Even with them suits on they should jump three times as high equivalent to earth.
Yet the make these little steps.
The evidence goes on and on. Theres a vid with a second voice telling astronauts when to talk.
The terrible truth is hard to swallow that all you quasi self proclaimed intellectuals have been fooled big time.



posted on Oct, 17 2018 @ 02:23 AM
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a reply to: AthlonSavage

That's it? They walk kinda funny and a YouTube video sounds suspicious?

Feeble.



posted on Oct, 17 2018 @ 02:28 AM
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a reply to: OneBigMonkeyToo

feeble as your counter arguments.
There is no reason that you can present to prove they were real.
They certainly could of been faked.
Incredible claims require incredible evidence.
The claim made is Man went to the moon. That is the original claim. Now you damn well present a credible case
of verifiable evidence or shut your feeble replies up.


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posted on Oct, 17 2018 @ 03:24 AM
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Man going to the moon is a verifiable fact, and not one single claim made by any hoax proponent ever stands up to the slightest amount of scrutiny - like the OP video that suddenly disappeared after it was exposed as a lie.

Your claim that they did not go so far rests on an argument from incredulity that you have not supported. The case that they went is all over the internet, but you can start here:

www.hq.nasa.gov...

history.nasa.gov...

which contains a wealth of detailed information and documentation covering every aspect of the missions.

If you want more, which I doubt because you don't actually want the answers to the questions people like you keep asking, then there is this:



The image on the left is from a live TV broadcast made on the way to the moon. In the centre is a photograph of that broadcast that appeared on the front page of the next day's newspapers. It's not an internet copy, it's my personal dated copy. On the right is the weather satellite image taken on the day of the broadcast, but not actually complete at the time of the broadcast. In the centre of the image is hurricane Bernice, which only appeared in that formation on that day.

You can read more here:

onebigmonkey.com...

Here's another image taken later on the journey, again matched with that day's satellite imagery



You can do the same with every Earth image, be it photographic, 16mm or live TV - every image of Earth shows exactly what it should in terms of the land masses visible, the position of the terminator, the view that you should have from cislunar space or the lunar surface, and the weather on show matched to up to 3 different weather satellites. That been goes down to where there are several satellite photographs taken during a day, when the one nearest in time to the Apollo image is the one that matches best, like this selection of ATS-3 images compared with AS11-36-5366:



see if you can guess which satellite image was taken nearest to the Apollo image.

More on that here

onebigmonkey.com...

Apollo astronauts took photographs from lunar orbit that show details not known about prior to the mission because the images taken by the earlier lunar orbiter probes were good, but not good enough.

This image



is a tiny section of an original Apollo 14 image



compared with the LRO.

Your challenge is to find any lunar image pre-dating Apollo that shows those details.

Speaking of lunar surface details, there are obviously the photographs taken of the landing sites by the LRO. Hoax believers don't like those images and pretend that they have the right to say that some sources of data aren't allowed. Well tough, they exist, and what's more they are backed up by photos from India, China and Japan.

You can download those images for yourself and process them, you don't need to take anyone's word for it - you can find out how to do that here:

onebigmonkey.com...

I'll put money on you not bothering, so here are a couple of examples for you to suck up. These are images of Apollo 16's landing site, firstly comparing views taken by LRO and India



LRO (centre) and two views from Japan



and LRO and China



Those weren't published in a journal, book or website, they are images I downloaded, processed and worked out. The same goes for Apollo 15, first from Japan:



and then from China:



and Apollo 17 from India



and China



and there are countless other examples of photographs taken on the surface and lunar orbit that show details that confirm Apollo was there because of the details in them not previously known, which you can read about more here:

onebigmonkey.com...

I'm sure you'll just complain that they are just blobs and why can't you see their fingernail clippings in those photos and that you would have sent a better satellite to take the pictures if you wanted to prove something, but the fact is that those marks are there, right where they should be, and you can check it for yourself. You don't get to ignore evidence just because you don't like it, you have account for it, so you tell me how come China's photographs show evidence of human activity at Apollo landing sites.

I've also taken the trouble to get my hands on original photographs and documentation (including the weather satellite images), not just ones from the web, so that I can prove that the images haven't been altered in some way. I've read the documents and taken the trouble to go meet the astronauts themselves, so I know what is genuine and what isn't. What is genuine is the story of the Apollo missions, what is fabricated are the claims are of a hoax.

Speaking of fabricated, this reply will also do for IAMNOTYOU, who cited the story of the 'fake' moon rock. I'll point out yet again that no-one from NASA ever claimed that that rock was a moon rock, and it was not given out by anyone from NASA. At best it was a misunderstanding by the two artists compiling an exhibition, at worst it was a deliberate attempt to deceive by those artists. The actual moon rocks have been examined by hundreds of scientists the world over.

So any time you want to progress from "Governments are dishonest" and "Gee it kinda looks funny" to actual hard, verifiable, incontrovertible evidence of a hoax, you know like the video maker in the OP who tried to lie about behind the scenes footage, then you go ahead and be my guest.



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