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posted on Oct, 11 2018 @ 09:13 PM
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originally posted by: Allaroundyou

originally posted by: seeker1963

originally posted by: Lumenari

originally posted by: seeker1963

originally posted by: Lumenari

originally posted by: Allaroundyou

originally posted by: Lumenari

originally posted by: DBCowboy
I just wish we had reasoned, sensible democrats.

I may not agree with all their approaches, but it was never anti-Constitutional.

I don't trust the republicans. I think they have just as much propensity to violate the Constitution if given the chance.


However... more and more establishment Republican progressives going out, more actual conservatives coming in.... think Freedom Caucus.

I see the Republicans at having a chance to get their party back... versus the Democratic party, which seems to be swirling down the toilet.

Good riddance... maybe then the Libertarians can become the new balance.



I would vote Libertarian but they put up stupid people as a front runner. It would seem that some people don’t or refuse to do their research on candidates.


I voted for a Libertarian for President once. Had to write it in at the time. It was this guy...


The former 1988 Libertarian nominee and 2008 and 2012 Republican candidate for president says Trump is just a temporary setback for the libertarian moment.

Distrust in America’s foreign and monetary policies, unrelieved by the election of Donald Trump, is going to be a “big opening” for libertarians in 2020, former Texas Republican Congressman Ron Paul told the Washington Examiner.

Trump was able to co-opt much of the messaging [against -p] an establishment that has maintained a bipartisan consensus on these issues without offering much of substance to voters committed to the values of freedom.

“The appearance of the libertarian movement has been set back partially because of Trump, but intellectually we’ve been doing well,” Paul said. “We as libertarians have some work to do before [voters] are going to accept a true-blue libertarian, but I think moving in that direction and having a popular candidate is very possible” in 2020.


So we will see.



I did as well, but Gary Johnson sure as hell isn't even close to the caliber of Ron Paul. The Libertarian party went so far south with wanting open borders, I often wonder if Gary Johnson was a plant to destroy the movement/party.


Possibly... he was so stoned during the last Presidential election that he could have been a plant and wouldn't have even known it.

A horrible representative of Libertarianism.




I wrote Gary Johnson in once. But the last election I was listening to him, and a question was asked about open borders and he said basically "Why not?". I was so baffled by that answer I went to the Libertarian Party website to make sure, and there it was! Washed my hands and walked away....


Gotta admit that shiz was funny to watch though! I have no problem with people smoking that stuff but damn. He was always stoned it seemed,



Yea, if you are old enough to remember Ross Perot some crazy stuff happened to him too. I am trying to remember, but it was something like he went into an airport bathroom and came out all disheveled and had a swastika on his forhead in magic marker...…


I just went to look it up and I can't find anything. Anyone else remember that happening??? I swear I remember it, because it sunk his whole run!




posted on Oct, 11 2018 @ 09:13 PM
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originally posted by: underwerks

originally posted by: Lumenari
a reply to: underwerks


Balance isn’t going to happen until people can compromise some of their beliefs for the greater good, and one of the main principles of Trumpism is no compromise. A winner take all worldview. How do you compromise with that?


As opposed to....


Hillary: There can be no civility until Democrats are back in power.


Now, if I am the one that is going to vote for a party and neither one wants to compromise, I would rather have the Trump economy than the Hillary one.

As her husband said and I don't think she understood, "It's the economy, stupid."



That’s all good and well, but not all of us base our support on what the government tells us about the economy. Especially when they gloss over one of the major aspects, the purchasing power of the dollar which has continued to drop.

Until that is addressed, I’ll take anything the government says about how well we’re doing financially with a grain of salt.


um... I am making more. My business is booming since the crappy Obama regs went away. My children have better job choices and are doing better.

You can base what the economy is doing from what CNN is telling you... I am going off the perspective of an American who sees everyone around them doing better.

As for the purchasing power of the dollar, you can lay that right at the feet of the Progressive movement, which put together the Federal Reserve in the first place.



posted on Oct, 11 2018 @ 09:16 PM
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a reply to: underwerks




Hey, prove me wrong. I’d love to see some examples of pro-Trump politicians doing all they can to compromise with leftist policies. Instead of trying to destroy them.


A year or even 6 months ago you might have been right.


Nothing the left has come up with in the past year is not within the realm of compromise nor a position that suites me in particular.



posted on Oct, 11 2018 @ 09:16 PM
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originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: underwerks




Hey, prove me wrong. I’d love to see some examples of pro-Trump politicians doing all they can to compromise with leftist policies. Instead of trying to destroy them.


A year or even 6 months ago you might have been right.


Nothing the left has come up with in the past year is not within the realm of compromise nor a position that suites me in particular.



And around we go.



posted on Oct, 11 2018 @ 09:20 PM
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originally posted by: underwerks
a reply to: JinMI


This is a classic logical fallacy. Equating that anyone who doesn't share the same beliefs/values as yourself is indicative of fault. Unless of course you can provide amble evidence to support that anyone who supports the PotUS has not compromised anything.


Hey, prove me wrong. I’d love to see some examples of pro-Trump politicians doing all they can to compromise with leftist policies. Instead of trying to destroy them.

A year or even 6 months ago you might have been right.

But John McCain is dead and Lindsey Graham has lost his mind, so good luck. The remaining politicians that follow Trump have made it explicitly known that they’ll fight compromise with the left until the end.

And you can’t blame that on anyone but them. Party of personal responsibility and all that.


There was that immigration bill where Democrats paraded immigrants around in protest. Then the republicans offered them a better deal than what they asked for and they still said no. Because politics. Just sayin

ETA: It was that DACA deal in January where Trump conceded just to show the Democrats were using DACA as a tool and not because they cared about immigrants.
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posted on Oct, 11 2018 @ 09:21 PM
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a reply to: sine.nomine

Yeah.

Trump actually doubled the number of people he'd grant amnesty.


And democrats said, nope.



posted on Oct, 11 2018 @ 09:24 PM
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a reply to: underwerks





And around we go.



Back to the beginning. A little refresher:
You said you didn't read the OP..then you said you did.
You attempted to point as Trump and supporters being the problem to which I responded with an argument and sources.
Another attempt to use a wide brush where your political slant is right and others are wrong (including a logical fallacy) to which I brought more arguments and sourcing.

Finally a movement of the goalpost that encompasses the past year.

This is the problem, you don't want the discussion/argument. You want to be right and you want others to think as you do. If they don't they are wrong. That is how we got to where we are politically and to see the dangers of pushing the extremes, see the OP.



posted on Oct, 11 2018 @ 09:27 PM
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a reply to: DBCowboy

There's nothing wrong with socialism. Marx's criticisms of laissez faire capitalism are spot on:



It seems to me Republicans are the extremists and have gone too far in taking away workers rights, purchasing power, income security, retirement security, healthcare security, and opportunities to become rich. We spend way too much money on the military and American adventurism and not enough money on education.

The problems with our country are not rocket science. The lobbyists force the politicians to pass laws creating cartels and monopolies in exchange for campaign financing. The way you know we have NO free-markets in this country is because there is no mechanism in the market for wringing out the inefficiencies of exorbitant CEO compensation packages.


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posted on Oct, 11 2018 @ 09:31 PM
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a reply to: dfnj2015

Then move to a socialist country!


Why change America when there are perfectly good socialist countries elsewhere!


Leave our system of government alone.

Dammit!



posted on Oct, 11 2018 @ 09:32 PM
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originally posted by: Lumenari

originally posted by: underwerks

originally posted by: Lumenari
a reply to: underwerks


Balance isn’t going to happen until people can compromise some of their beliefs for the greater good, and one of the main principles of Trumpism is no compromise. A winner take all worldview. How do you compromise with that?


As opposed to....


Hillary: There can be no civility until Democrats are back in power.


Now, if I am the one that is going to vote for a party and neither one wants to compromise, I would rather have the Trump economy than the Hillary one.

As her husband said and I don't think she understood, "It's the economy, stupid."



That’s all good and well, but not all of us base our support on what the government tells us about the economy. Especially when they gloss over one of the major aspects, the purchasing power of the dollar which has continued to drop.

Until that is addressed, I’ll take anything the government says about how well we’re doing financially with a grain of salt.


um... I am making more. My business is booming since the crappy Obama regs went away. My children have better job choices and are doing better.

You can base what the economy is doing from what CNN is telling you... I am going off the perspective of an American who sees everyone around them doing better.

As for the purchasing power of the dollar, you can lay that right at the feet of the Progressive movement, which put together the Federal Reserve in the first place.



I don’t watch the news, any news, so I don’t know what CNN is supposed to tell me.

I see the farmers that I rent the farmland I own to having to accept government welfare for the first time in their lives because of the soybean tariffs. Which, like trickle down economics looks good on paper, but fails miserably when applied to the real world and real situations with real people.

I see rent and the cost of everything else going up without an increase in wages or buying power to match it. I see a huge increase in the homeless and drug addict population for this very reason. I see the environment that surrounds us all being whored out by the people that are supposed to be protecting it.

I see the president spending 10’s of millions of taxpayer dollars on golf trips to his own resorts while veterans (some of my family) aren’t receiving the support from the VA they need to get back on their feet, for a country they put their lives on the line for. I see an attorney general that still has investments in private prisons successfully fight to keep them in business.

This is what I see, in my everyday life with no CNN influence. Maybe it’s not me who’s being influenced by media.

Trumps America isn’t exactly the roses and sunshine you guys constantly claim it to be.
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posted on Oct, 11 2018 @ 09:42 PM
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originally posted by: underwerks
a reply to: DBCowboy


I don't trust the republicans. I think they have just as much propensity to violate the Constitution if given the chance.


You sure don’t act like it.



Let's see ... as the mother of a little boy, I just got done watching a pack of screeching harridans tell me I should be willing to throw him overboard for any little girl that comes forward and tells me he's done something bad to her ... without any evidence at all ... even if she tells me five different versions of her story ... no matter how much I know and trust him ... *all* because she and I happen to be girls together.

And then I got done watching the democrats support this line of "reasoning" (emotion masquerading as rational argument) because it was politically expedient for them to do so. They basically were saying, "Yeah, we know the rule of law says that a man gets due process and so does a women and that our system is based on innocent until proven guilty and that the burden of proof lies with the accuser ... but screw all that! We need to block this nominee, so ... she said he raped her? HE RAPED HER!"

Now, they're whining because they don't have enough political power through the constitutional means, so the COTUS is flawed. The EC is bad, the Senate system is bad, the SCOTUS is bad, etc.! Nevermind that barely 10 years ago, in 2008, they were the majority in power, using those very same systems they now say are bad, horrible and evil. The very same democrats who want to nuke all these systems today had used them to control 2/3 of the Senate, the presidency, AND the House.

And do you know what happened? They went crazy. People saw what they wanted, what they really, really wanted, and the electorate noped on out on them. Now, instead, of backing off and considering how to appeal to most people again, they have stepped even further on off to the left, and they keep on losing. You'd think at some point, they'd figure out that not enough people want this for them to make the system work for them.

Oh no! It's not their problem. It's the system's fault. And this is a mindset characteristic of the left, Never their fault ... always someone or something else's. No personal responsibility.



posted on Oct, 11 2018 @ 09:46 PM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: dfnj2015

Then move to a socialist country!


Why change America when there are perfectly good socialist countries elsewhere!


Leave our system of government alone.

Dammit!



You claim you love the Constitution but the moment someone doesn't agree with your ideology you tell them to leave.

Where in the Constitution does it say you have the right to tell other people "leave our system of government alone." I thought the idea was to create a more perfect union which includes shifting the values of the citizenry to the left as well as to the right.

I'm just not sure how much further to the right we can go and still have our current Constitution having any value. I think we are much closer to right wing military style dictatorship than we are to left-wing socialist Chinese type government.

But maybe you are right. Maybe it's time for smart people to leave this country for "greener" pastures.


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posted on Oct, 11 2018 @ 09:46 PM
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Back to the beginning. A little refresher: You said you didn't read the OP..then you said you did.


It seems you started off with a fundamental misunderstanding of what TLDR means.

It means too long, didn’t read. Which means it was read by me and then summed up succinctly for everyone who didn’t want to take the time to read it.

As to the rest of your comment, the problem with the people in power has to be addressed first and foremost. You seem to not want to do that because you’ve invested so much personally in the idea of what they represent, whether it’s true or not. It’s a basic sunken cost fallacy.

The politicians in power right now set the tone for the political discourse that happens in this country. Especially so with an administration like the one we have now, which rode to power on “owning” the other side.

If you want it to change, expect and call for something different from your leaders. I don’t see that happening though, just more blaming someone else.

Which makes us go right back around to where we were.



posted on Oct, 11 2018 @ 09:49 PM
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originally posted by: dfnj2015

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: dfnj2015

Then move to a socialist country!


Why change America when there are perfectly good socialist countries elsewhere!


Leave our system of government alone.

Dammit!



You claim you love the Constitution but the moment someone doesn't agree with your ideology you tell them to leave.


Yes.


Where in the Constitution does it say you have the right to tell other people "leave our system of government alone." I thought the idea was to create a more perfect union which includes shifting the values of the citizenry to the left as well as to the right.


1st Amendment. Free speech, brah.


I'm just not sure how much further to the right we can go and still have our current Constitution having any value. I think we are much closer to right wing military style dictatorship than we are to left-wing socialist Chinese type government.


I'll help you pack and even drive you to the airport.


But maybe you are right. Maybe it's time for smart people to leave this country for "greener" pastures.



See above.



posted on Oct, 11 2018 @ 09:51 PM
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First you say:



It seems you started off with a fundamental misunderstanding of what TLDR means.




It means too long, didn’t read. Which means it was read by me and then summed up succinctly for everyone who didn’t want to take the time to read it.


Hmmmmmm.......





You seem to not want to do that because you’ve invested so much personally in the idea of what they represent, whether it’s true or not. It’s a basic sunken cost fallacy.


You have no proof to make this allegation. However, it seems to be the norm lately (not you in particular) by progressives.




If you want it to change, expect and call for something different from your leaders. I don’t see that happening though, just more blaming someone else.


Which is exactly what the OP is outlining. Perhaps some practice what you preach is in order?



posted on Oct, 11 2018 @ 09:51 PM
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originally posted by: ketsuko
Now, they're whining because they don't have enough political power through the constitutional means, so the COTUS is flawed. The EC is bad, the Senate system is bad, the SCOTUS is bad, etc.! Nevermind that barely 10 years ago, in 2008, they were the majority in power, using those very same systems they now say are bad, horrible and evil. The very same democrats who want to nuke all these systems today had used them to control 2/3 of the Senate, the presidency, AND the House.


You do realize every time the Republicans control a majority in the Senate they can change the rules at the beginning of the session back the way they used to be before the "evil" Democrats made it so the minority party is all-powerful.


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posted on Oct, 11 2018 @ 09:51 PM
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originally posted by: dfnj2015

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: dfnj2015

Then move to a socialist country!


Why change America when there are perfectly good socialist countries elsewhere!


Leave our system of government alone.

Dammit!



You claim you love the Constitution but the moment someone doesn't agree with your ideology you tell them to leave.

Where in the Constitution does it say you have the right to tell other people "leave our system of government alone." I thought the idea was to create a more perfect union which includes shifting the values of the citizenry to the left as well as to the right.

I'm just not sure how much further to the right we can go and still have our current Constitution having any value. I think we are much closer to right wing military style dictatorship than we are to left-wing socialist Chinese type government.

But maybe you are right. Maybe it's time for smart people to leave this country for "greener" pastures.




The Constitution doesn't support Socialism nor Marxism. If you understood the Constitution you would know that Socialism and Marxism are unconstitutional.


Like DB said, if you love Socialism and Marxism, just move to a country who already has it. Only way you will get it in the USA is if you destroy the Constitution and that ain't gonna happen?



posted on Oct, 11 2018 @ 09:52 PM
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they are still the same uni party

we are watching a puppet show, the banks are still advancing their agenda, everyone is still advancing their agenda and you guys are all waiting on Q to swoop in from the sky and save you with the secret military intelligence that's helping him give the world back to the people

yikes

I better bang my head off the wall a few times and wake myself up from all this mind control, it's like my brain has been hijacked
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posted on Oct, 11 2018 @ 09:55 PM
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originally posted by: seeker1963
The Constitution doesn't support Socialism nor Marxism. If you understood the Constitution you would know that Socialism and Marxism are unconstitutional.


That is absolutely not true. There is nothing in the Constitution preventing laws from being passed that could be considered to be "socialist" in nature. All military spending is pure socialism.


originally posted by: seeker1963
Like DB said, if you love Socialism and Marxism, just move to a country who already has it. Only way you will get it in the USA is if you destroy the Constitution and that ain't gonna happen?


Telling people to leave who do not share your extremist views is not exactly supporting the Bill of Rights. How far away are you from forcing people to leave by physical force if you are willing to do it with your words.


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posted on Oct, 11 2018 @ 09:58 PM
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My father-in-law is far right Republican who is a retired FBI agent. He doesn't think his pension is socialism. It's funny how the people who are most outspoken against socialism are the very same ones who benefit from it the most.




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