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posted on Oct, 11 2018 @ 08:50 PM
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originally posted by: Lumenari

originally posted by: Allaroundyou

originally posted by: Lumenari

originally posted by: DBCowboy
I just wish we had reasoned, sensible democrats.

I may not agree with all their approaches, but it was never anti-Constitutional.

I don't trust the republicans. I think they have just as much propensity to violate the Constitution if given the chance.


However... more and more establishment Republican progressives going out, more actual conservatives coming in.... think Freedom Caucus.

I see the Republicans at having a chance to get their party back... versus the Democratic party, which seems to be swirling down the toilet.

Good riddance... maybe then the Libertarians can become the new balance.



I would vote Libertarian but they put up stupid people as a front runner. It would seem that some people don’t or refuse to do their research on candidates.


I voted for a Libertarian for President once. Had to write it in at the time. It was this guy...


The former 1988 Libertarian nominee and 2008 and 2012 Republican candidate for president says Trump is just a temporary setback for the libertarian moment.

Distrust in America’s foreign and monetary policies, unrelieved by the election of Donald Trump, is going to be a “big opening” for libertarians in 2020, former Texas Republican Congressman Ron Paul told the Washington Examiner.

Trump was able to co-opt much of the messaging [against -p] an establishment that has maintained a bipartisan consensus on these issues without offering much of substance to voters committed to the values of freedom.

“The appearance of the libertarian movement has been set back partially because of Trump, but intellectually we’ve been doing well,” Paul said. “We as libertarians have some work to do before [voters] are going to accept a true-blue libertarian, but I think moving in that direction and having a popular candidate is very possible” in 2020.


So we will see.



I did as well, but Gary Johnson sure as hell isn't even close to the caliber of Ron Paul. The Libertarian party went so far south with wanting open borders, I often wonder if Gary Johnson was a plant to destroy the movement/party.




posted on Oct, 11 2018 @ 08:51 PM
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a reply to: seeker1963


you love yourself some victimhood don't ya!



posted on Oct, 11 2018 @ 08:52 PM
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a reply to: underwerks


Balance isn’t going to happen until people can compromise some of their beliefs for the greater good, and one of the main principles of Trumpism is no compromise. A winner take all worldview. How do you compromise with that?


As opposed to....


Hillary: There can be no civility until Democrats are back in power.


Now, if I am the one that is going to vote for a party and neither one wants to compromise, I would rather have the Trump economy than the Hillary one.

As her husband said and I don't think she understood, "It's the economy, stupid."




posted on Oct, 11 2018 @ 08:53 PM
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I see em as a bunch of bratty spoiled kids who need a good old fashion spanking to shape em up.



posted on Oct, 11 2018 @ 08:53 PM
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originally posted by: knoxie
a reply to: seeker1963


you love yourself some victimhood don't ya!



I speak my mind as do you. Perhaps you would "feel" better if I was censored?



posted on Oct, 11 2018 @ 08:54 PM
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I don’t think so. Most Democrats that I know are sneaky, but they have little stomach for a real stand up fight. The millennials would be overwhelmed out side Mom’s basement.

Just my point of view.



posted on Oct, 11 2018 @ 08:55 PM
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originally posted by: seeker1963

originally posted by: Lumenari

originally posted by: Allaroundyou

originally posted by: Lumenari

originally posted by: DBCowboy
I just wish we had reasoned, sensible democrats.

I may not agree with all their approaches, but it was never anti-Constitutional.

I don't trust the republicans. I think they have just as much propensity to violate the Constitution if given the chance.


However... more and more establishment Republican progressives going out, more actual conservatives coming in.... think Freedom Caucus.

I see the Republicans at having a chance to get their party back... versus the Democratic party, which seems to be swirling down the toilet.

Good riddance... maybe then the Libertarians can become the new balance.



I would vote Libertarian but they put up stupid people as a front runner. It would seem that some people don’t or refuse to do their research on candidates.


I voted for a Libertarian for President once. Had to write it in at the time. It was this guy...


The former 1988 Libertarian nominee and 2008 and 2012 Republican candidate for president says Trump is just a temporary setback for the libertarian moment.

Distrust in America’s foreign and monetary policies, unrelieved by the election of Donald Trump, is going to be a “big opening” for libertarians in 2020, former Texas Republican Congressman Ron Paul told the Washington Examiner.

Trump was able to co-opt much of the messaging [against -p] an establishment that has maintained a bipartisan consensus on these issues without offering much of substance to voters committed to the values of freedom.

“The appearance of the libertarian movement has been set back partially because of Trump, but intellectually we’ve been doing well,” Paul said. “We as libertarians have some work to do before [voters] are going to accept a true-blue libertarian, but I think moving in that direction and having a popular candidate is very possible” in 2020.


So we will see.



I did as well, but Gary Johnson sure as hell isn't even close to the caliber of Ron Paul. The Libertarian party went so far south with wanting open borders, I often wonder if Gary Johnson was a plant to destroy the movement/party.


Possibly... he was so stoned during the last Presidential election that he could have been a plant and wouldn't have even known it.

A horrible representative of Libertarianism.



posted on Oct, 11 2018 @ 08:58 PM
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a reply to: Lumenari

I'll just leave you this quote from Barry Goldwater.




“Mark my word, if and when these preachers get control of the [Republican] party, and they're sure trying to do so, it's going to be a terrible damn problem. Frankly, these people frighten me. Politics and governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can't and won't compromise. I know, I've tried to deal with them.”
― Barry Goldwater


And I did take a look in the mirror. I saw a hell of a sexy moderate. Thinking that both parties are going crazy.


edit on 11-10-2018 by grey580 because: (no reason given)



posted on Oct, 11 2018 @ 09:00 PM
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a reply to: underwerks




You just listed pretty much every Democrats platform. The Trump admin overturned the obama era ruling that did away with private prisons as one of their first actions.


Not 'pretty much every:'
www.opensecrets.org...

I also don't believe that the action was the correct one however by taking half assed measures, something would need to be done either way.




Balance isn’t going to happen until people can compromise some of their beliefs for the greater good, and one of the main principles of Trumpism is no compromise. A winner take all worldview. How do you compromise with that?


This is a classic logical fallacy. Equating that anyone who doesn't share the same beliefs/values as yourself is indicative of fault. Unless of course you can provide amble evidence to support that anyone who supports the PotUS has not compromised anything.

I'm not going to address anymore as it is simple hyperbole.

BTW, did you figure out that silly TLDR thingy?



posted on Oct, 11 2018 @ 09:00 PM
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a reply to: seeker1963


third time today I've been told how I feel.



it appears you all want to distance yourselves from the far right and "appear" more moderate.

it's funny.



posted on Oct, 11 2018 @ 09:00 PM
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originally posted by: Lumenari

originally posted by: seeker1963

originally posted by: Lumenari

originally posted by: Allaroundyou

originally posted by: Lumenari

originally posted by: DBCowboy
I just wish we had reasoned, sensible democrats.

I may not agree with all their approaches, but it was never anti-Constitutional.

I don't trust the republicans. I think they have just as much propensity to violate the Constitution if given the chance.


However... more and more establishment Republican progressives going out, more actual conservatives coming in.... think Freedom Caucus.

I see the Republicans at having a chance to get their party back... versus the Democratic party, which seems to be swirling down the toilet.

Good riddance... maybe then the Libertarians can become the new balance.



I would vote Libertarian but they put up stupid people as a front runner. It would seem that some people don’t or refuse to do their research on candidates.


I voted for a Libertarian for President once. Had to write it in at the time. It was this guy...


The former 1988 Libertarian nominee and 2008 and 2012 Republican candidate for president says Trump is just a temporary setback for the libertarian moment.

Distrust in America’s foreign and monetary policies, unrelieved by the election of Donald Trump, is going to be a “big opening” for libertarians in 2020, former Texas Republican Congressman Ron Paul told the Washington Examiner.

Trump was able to co-opt much of the messaging [against -p] an establishment that has maintained a bipartisan consensus on these issues without offering much of substance to voters committed to the values of freedom.

“The appearance of the libertarian movement has been set back partially because of Trump, but intellectually we’ve been doing well,” Paul said. “We as libertarians have some work to do before [voters] are going to accept a true-blue libertarian, but I think moving in that direction and having a popular candidate is very possible” in 2020.


So we will see.



I did as well, but Gary Johnson sure as hell isn't even close to the caliber of Ron Paul. The Libertarian party went so far south with wanting open borders, I often wonder if Gary Johnson was a plant to destroy the movement/party.


Possibly... he was so stoned during the last Presidential election that he could have been a plant and wouldn't have even known it.

A horrible representative of Libertarianism.




I wrote Gary Johnson in once. But the last election I was listening to him, and a question was asked about open borders and he said basically "Why not?". I was so baffled by that answer I went to the Libertarian Party website to make sure, and there it was! Washed my hands and walked away....



posted on Oct, 11 2018 @ 09:01 PM
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originally posted by: knoxie
a reply to: seeker1963



it appears you all want to distance yourselves from the far right and "appear" more moderate.

it's funny.




Coming from an extreme leftist, it's hilarious!




posted on Oct, 11 2018 @ 09:02 PM
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originally posted by: knoxie
a reply to: seeker1963


third time today I've been told how I feel.



it appears you all want to distance yourselves from the far right and "appear" more moderate.

it's funny.





I didn't tell you anything about how you feel. I asked "Would you feel better?".



posted on Oct, 11 2018 @ 09:02 PM
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originally posted by: Lumenari
a reply to: underwerks


Balance isn’t going to happen until people can compromise some of their beliefs for the greater good, and one of the main principles of Trumpism is no compromise. A winner take all worldview. How do you compromise with that?


As opposed to....


Hillary: There can be no civility until Democrats are back in power.


Now, if I am the one that is going to vote for a party and neither one wants to compromise, I would rather have the Trump economy than the Hillary one.

As her husband said and I don't think she understood, "It's the economy, stupid."



That’s all good and well, but not all of us base our support on what the government tells us about the economy. Especially when they gloss over one of the major aspects, the purchasing power of the dollar which has continued to drop.

Until that is addressed, I’ll take anything the government says about how well we’re doing financially with a grain of salt.



posted on Oct, 11 2018 @ 09:03 PM
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a reply to: odzeandennz




They want open borders and the abolishment of ICE.


Sure isn't.




posted on Oct, 11 2018 @ 09:07 PM
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a reply to: okrian

This is sort of weird because my views haven't changed much and I was considered left of center in the 90's. Now I'm called "Alt-right" or "far right" by the emotive people who disagree with me.



posted on Oct, 11 2018 @ 09:08 PM
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originally posted by: seeker1963

originally posted by: Lumenari

originally posted by: seeker1963

originally posted by: Lumenari

originally posted by: Allaroundyou

originally posted by: Lumenari

originally posted by: DBCowboy
I just wish we had reasoned, sensible democrats.

I may not agree with all their approaches, but it was never anti-Constitutional.

I don't trust the republicans. I think they have just as much propensity to violate the Constitution if given the chance.


However... more and more establishment Republican progressives going out, more actual conservatives coming in.... think Freedom Caucus.

I see the Republicans at having a chance to get their party back... versus the Democratic party, which seems to be swirling down the toilet.

Good riddance... maybe then the Libertarians can become the new balance.



I would vote Libertarian but they put up stupid people as a front runner. It would seem that some people don’t or refuse to do their research on candidates.


I voted for a Libertarian for President once. Had to write it in at the time. It was this guy...


The former 1988 Libertarian nominee and 2008 and 2012 Republican candidate for president says Trump is just a temporary setback for the libertarian moment.

Distrust in America’s foreign and monetary policies, unrelieved by the election of Donald Trump, is going to be a “big opening” for libertarians in 2020, former Texas Republican Congressman Ron Paul told the Washington Examiner.

Trump was able to co-opt much of the messaging [against -p] an establishment that has maintained a bipartisan consensus on these issues without offering much of substance to voters committed to the values of freedom.

“The appearance of the libertarian movement has been set back partially because of Trump, but intellectually we’ve been doing well,” Paul said. “We as libertarians have some work to do before [voters] are going to accept a true-blue libertarian, but I think moving in that direction and having a popular candidate is very possible” in 2020.


So we will see.



I did as well, but Gary Johnson sure as hell isn't even close to the caliber of Ron Paul. The Libertarian party went so far south with wanting open borders, I often wonder if Gary Johnson was a plant to destroy the movement/party.


Possibly... he was so stoned during the last Presidential election that he could have been a plant and wouldn't have even known it.

A horrible representative of Libertarianism.




I wrote Gary Johnson in once. But the last election I was listening to him, and a question was asked about open borders and he said basically "Why not?". I was so baffled by that answer I went to the Libertarian Party website to make sure, and there it was! Washed my hands and walked away....


Gotta admit that shiz was funny to watch though! I have no problem with people smoking that stuff but damn. He was always stoned it seemed,



posted on Oct, 11 2018 @ 09:09 PM
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originally posted by: grey580
a reply to: Lumenari

I'll just leave you this quote from Barry Goldwater.




“Mark my word, if and when these preachers get control of the [Republican] party, and they're sure trying to do so, it's going to be a terrible damn problem. Frankly, these people frighten me. Politics and governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can't and won't compromise. I know, I've tried to deal with them.”
― Barry Goldwater


Not sure what you are smoking tonight, but a good night to you as well!

So Christians run the Republican party now? If they did (72% of Americans identify as Christian) then I think we would not be where we are. After all, only 34% of Americans identify as Republican.

No, if you want to talk about cults (not Christian myself) then we should probably talk about the cult of Progressivism..

An ideology that thinks that socialism works, if only you have enough money and enough people to sacrifice to fire it up and get it running.

Because you can never just start with socialism as a government... because then there would be nothing to take away from people to give to other people.

So it's an insane idea and cannot work because of human nature and never has in the history of our planet but still the Democrats want to give it a go.

I'd rather not joint that cult and just leave the Christians to follow their own religion.

After all, if I want to have a Christian take money out of my pocket and give it to someone less fortunate, then I would just do that.

As opposed to socialism, where the government takes it without my consent.

Again, good night...




posted on Oct, 11 2018 @ 09:09 PM
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a reply to: sine.nomine




I know very few people in real life that are how the extreme left or right are portrayed.


Outside of MSM and social media, I would agree.

It perpetuates more government power and control.



posted on Oct, 11 2018 @ 09:12 PM
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a reply to: JinMI


This is a classic logical fallacy. Equating that anyone who doesn't share the same beliefs/values as yourself is indicative of fault. Unless of course you can provide amble evidence to support that anyone who supports the PotUS has not compromised anything.


Hey, prove me wrong. I’d love to see some examples of pro-Trump politicians doing all they can to compromise with leftist policies. Instead of trying to destroy them.

A year or even 6 months ago you might have been right.

But John McCain is dead and Lindsey Graham has lost his mind, so good luck. The remaining politicians that follow Trump have made it explicitly known that they’ll fight compromise with the left until the end.

And you can’t blame that on anyone but them. Party of personal responsibility and all that.



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