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My America or No America

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posted on Oct, 9 2018 @ 02:55 PM
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originally posted by: narrator
And if you look at it from the other side, they're losing too, as a result of your refusal to compromise. That's the key part of compromise, not everyone gets everything they want, but they get what they can accept and live with.


That's my point, though. Take the gun control issue. ANY compromise on that means I get nothing that I want because all I want is the 2nd Amendment held true and my rights left alone. Same for taxation, same for enforcement of immigration law, same for a multitude of issues. When your position is one of not wanting to see changes made, and any degree of changes end up being made, that's not a compromise in any way, it's a flat out loss.




posted on Oct, 9 2018 @ 02:57 PM
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a reply to: burdman30ott6

Yeah, but in all fairness, some of those things have been so screwed up by now that there is plenty of room to come to the table to talk turkey on what already exists.

Take the immigration issue.

You want those DACA kids? Fine. But I want border enforcement and an end to chain migration.



posted on Oct, 9 2018 @ 03:15 PM
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a reply to: NiNjABackflip


What I mean is, you either support human rights, justice, or you do not. One cannot compromise between the two.


Thank you... but D'OH! Now I see that and I should have seen it to begin with. I don't know where my head was at.

Thanks again -- and sorry for my blindspot. Sheesh!



posted on Oct, 9 2018 @ 03:19 PM
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a reply to: usernameconspiracy

It's NOT about your freedom to vote any way you want....it's about the LEFT terrorizing American citizens and Liberal politicians doing NOTHING. NICE DEFLECTION pal



posted on Oct, 9 2018 @ 03:26 PM
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a reply to: shooterbrody

While I agree with you, not everyone has the luxury to freely move about. People are stuck with their jobs, kids going to school and family and friends rooted around them. That's the problem. If your stuck in a "social climate" that negatively impacts your life, it's sometimes not easy just to pack up and move. If you're stuck living in Portland, lets see how far "good manners" gets you when you confront a bunch of terrorizing thugs like Antifa. You just wait, it's a matter of time before someone gets fed up and runs over one of these clowns, or shoots one dead. That's when the sh!t will hit the fan all over this country.



posted on Oct, 9 2018 @ 03:42 PM
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Is this the new tactic - a logical progression...the left act like complete lunatics, realise they are losing and then claim to want everyone to get along now and start talking about both sides being as bad as each other. Sounds like a shift in strategy for sure. I don't think it will work. This time the left's ideology has to be stamped out for good. They are 100% responsible for the mess in society.
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posted on Oct, 9 2018 @ 03:44 PM
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originally posted by: intrepid

Forgotten is the fact that you are ALL Americans. All in the same boat. Right now the boat is sinking and it looks like some don't care as long as they are happy that they can have the country going in the direction they want. Selfishness and self interest is the norm. The days of "Ask not what your country can do for you but what you can do for your country" are a distant memory. Caring for the country no longer exists with many. They want THEIR country. Nothing else.



With all due respect, your focus, like the focus of too many of our fellows, is far too narrow.

The fact, the real, true, and deadly-if-we-ignore-it fact is that we are all MORE than just Americans; we are all Humans.

And America is but one seat in that sinking boat, the whole rest of the world.

What difference will “America First” make if by making America “first” we hasten the destruction of the one planet humanity depends upon for its existence? Deny it as much as you care to, but even as “exceptional” as Americans like to believe they are, they are still human and will not be spared the effects of planetary collapse no matter what they believe.

I could tolerate the selfishness that has become today’s norm if it did not so endanger the possibility of a habitable future.



posted on Oct, 9 2018 @ 03:46 PM
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a reply to: UKTruth

"Come on guys, can't we just have some "common sense" right removal?"



posted on Oct, 9 2018 @ 03:52 PM
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If you change fundamental pieces of America like adhering to Constitutional law and the Bill of Rights then America ceases to exist. Sure it might still show up on a map, but it will lose its fundamental vision and uniqueness and become just another socialist dystopia where creativity and individuality are frowned upon and everyone is equal in their misery.

The country can be lost and the people that trample on individual liberty and the Constitution are the enemy. These threats are not exclusive to one side of the aisle. We need to maintain our vigilance against those that would try to change our fundamental values and attempt to destroy us from within.
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posted on Oct, 9 2018 @ 03:53 PM
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a reply to: Bhadhidar

We are operating like the lady who died with her kid on the plane because she tried to put the oxygen mask on the kid first and passed out.

We aren't the world's welfare office.

We need to stabilize before saving the world, or we all go down.






posted on Oct, 9 2018 @ 03:54 PM
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a reply to: neo96




We have entered in to a very dangeous times, and it's only going to cascade in to full civil war.



How will you know who to shoot? I don't think it will we a civil war, but a race war...

I'm beyond caring anyway. My lady and I are making plans...Blessed to have options. We'll just watch the war on TV somewhere people still know how to get along with a sense of brotherhood and not this insane hatred.
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posted on Oct, 9 2018 @ 04:00 PM
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originally posted by: UKTruth
Is this the new tactic - a logical progression...the left act like complete lunatics, realise they are losing and then claim to want everyone to get along now and start talking about both sides being as bad as each other. Sounds like a shift in strategy for sure. I don't think it will work. This time the left's ideology has to be stamped out for good. They are 100% responsible for the mess in society.


It's basically just concern trolling.
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posted on Oct, 9 2018 @ 04:04 PM
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a reply to: burdman30ott6

So... kill them? What are you suggesting exactly?



posted on Oct, 9 2018 @ 04:06 PM
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a reply to: olaru12

Sad to see people saying that the only option is a Civil War. My only hope is that whoever says stuff like that is nothing more than a troll because that's the dumbest and most dangerous logic I've ever heard. It's justifying violence in a roundabout way.



posted on Oct, 9 2018 @ 04:07 PM
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a reply to: UKTruth




This time the left's ideology has to be stamped out for good. They are 100% responsible for the mess in society.



How do you propose to accomplish this? A "purge" like some other members contemplate?



posted on Oct, 9 2018 @ 04:15 PM
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a reply to: olaru12
Sounds good to me!



posted on Oct, 9 2018 @ 04:15 PM
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a reply to: olaru12

That's probably exactly what they're thinking, they want to "chuck people out of the boat". The only thing I can think of is either throwing them in jail or killing them. Pretty scary mentality.



posted on Oct, 9 2018 @ 04:15 PM
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originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
a reply to: burdman30ott6

So... kill them? What are you suggesting exactly?


In a political and social sense, sure. I'm suggesting we go back to a fully merit based society. If you demonstrate that you lack the merits, then you miss out on the right to have your voice heard, participate in the system, and benefit from what the rest of us are building here.



posted on Oct, 9 2018 @ 04:19 PM
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a reply to: worldstarcountry

Yeah, you're screwed in the head if you think that's a good idea.

It looks like the media and Hollywood's plan has worked like a charm, it's radicalized certain people into thinking a purge is necessary. The news cycle has hypnotized you, hopefully you'll wake up soon because right now, saying what you just said, you sound like an idiot.



posted on Oct, 9 2018 @ 04:20 PM
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originally posted by: burdman30ott6

originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
a reply to: burdman30ott6

So... kill them? What are you suggesting exactly?


In a political and social sense, sure. I'm suggesting we go back to a fully merit based society. If you demonstrate that you lack the merits, then you miss out on the right to have your voice heard, participate in the system, and benefit from what the rest of us are building here.


Is paying taxes enough participation for you? Even wineo's pay taxes every time they buy a jug. Who gets to decide when your "participation" measures up to who's standard or "merit"....?

Or like we used to say in Nam...killem all, let God sort em out
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