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posted on Oct, 11 2018 @ 04:58 PM
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originally posted by: ker2010
Something that has crossed my mind a few times about some of these Canadians and other foreigners that seem to side with the left. Is it maybe, just maybe they wanna see the downfall of America and they know the policies the left are pushing for will do it?
Maybe they hate/envy America? Hmmmmmm
Please don't flatter yourself. Maybe go see "Come From Away".


originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: ker2010
No. It's because they live a different system than we do and don't understand why we don't want to live their system.

Not so much...more a matter of not understanding why so many Americans scorn things that we take as basic human rights. Like universal health care. We are also fully aware that even our average Conservative would be run out of town riding a rail as a Godless Commie, in much of the US.

Youse is youse, and we's is us...and that's ok.
edit on 11-10-2018 by JohnnyCanuck because: yes bye!




posted on Oct, 11 2018 @ 05:03 PM
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a reply to: JohnnyCanuck

As I said - It's because you don't live our system.

Health care is not a basic human right. You do not have the right to something that takes another human being's labor in order for you to have it. We went that route once and had to fight a war to end that system because an entire class of human beings were deprived of their other basic human rights that actually are rights, you know, like liberty.
edit on 11-10-2018 by ketsuko because: (no reason given)



posted on Oct, 11 2018 @ 05:07 PM
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originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: JohnnyCanuck

As I said - It's because you don't live our system.

Health care is not a basic human right. You do not have the right to something that takes another human being's labor in order for you to have it. We went that route once and had to fight a war to end that system because an entire class of human beings were deprived of their other basic human rights that actually are rights, you know, like liberty.


But can you just take it away?

LIke if you had a heart attack...would you expect help or would you just not care?

Or if my mom lost her insurance. I wouldn't want her just to die. Would you?

It's fun to talk about Utopian societies but we actually live in reality.



posted on Oct, 11 2018 @ 05:12 PM
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originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: JohnnyCanuck

As I said - It's because you don't live our system. Health care is not a basic human right.

Correction...in your country, it is not a basic human right. In every other country in the civilised world, it is. Your choices do not define the concept for the rest of us. Sorry.
edit on 11-10-2018 by JohnnyCanuck because: ...just because!



posted on Oct, 11 2018 @ 05:23 PM
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a reply to: JohnnyCanuck


originally posted by: JohnnyCanuck

originally posted by: ker2010
Something that has crossed my mind a few times about some of these Canadians and other foreigners that seem to side with the left. Is it maybe, just maybe they wanna see the downfall of America and they know the policies the left are pushing for will do it?
Maybe they hate/envy America? Hmmmmmm
Please don't flatter yourself. Maybe go see "Come From Away".


originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: ker2010
No. It's because they live a different system than we do and don't understand why we don't want to live their system.

Not so much...more a matter of not understanding why so many Americans scorn things that we take as basic human rights. Like universal health care. We are also fully aware that even our average Conservative would be run out of town riding a rail as a Godless Commie, in much of the US.

Youse is youse, and we's is us...and that's ok.


Are you willing to bring in the 20 to 35 million illegal immigrants we have into Canada and pay for their healthcare? A simple yes or no will suffice. It's also easy to throw stones with such a small population and a military that is laughable at best. Oh but that's right you can afford to have a # for ass military because America is your neighbor.

BTW bash America from the internet (ARPANET) that Americans invented. What has Canada contributed to the world other than maple syrup and half decent beer?

Be glad you have a pit bull in your front yard poodle.
edit on 11-10-2018 by ker2010 because: (no reason given)



posted on Oct, 11 2018 @ 05:27 PM
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originally posted by: ker2010
a reply to: JohnnyCanuck


originally posted by: JohnnyCanuck

originally posted by: ker2010
Something that has crossed my mind a few times about some of these Canadians and other foreigners that seem to side with the left. Is it maybe, just maybe they wanna see the downfall of America and they know the policies the left are pushing for will do it?
Maybe they hate/envy America? Hmmmmmm
Please don't flatter yourself. Maybe go see "Come From Away".


originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: ker2010
No. It's because they live a different system than we do and don't understand why we don't want to live their system.

Not so much...more a matter of not understanding why so many Americans scorn things that we take as basic human rights. Like universal health care. We are also fully aware that even our average Conservative would be run out of town riding a rail as a Godless Commie, in much of the US.

Youse is youse, and we's is us...and that's ok.

Are you willing to bring in the 20 to 35 million illegal immigrants we have into Canada and pay for their healthcare? A simple yes or no will suffice. It's also easy to throw stones with such a small population and a military that is laughable at best. Oh but that's right you can afford to have a # for ass military because America is your neighbor.
BTW bash America from the internet (ARPANET) that Americans invented. What has Canda contributed to the world other than maple syrup and half decent beer?
Be glad you have a pit bull in your front yard poodle.

Boy, some serious butthurt going on there. You should drop up for a visit. First round is on me. Beer. Real beer, eh?



posted on Oct, 11 2018 @ 05:32 PM
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a reply to: JohnnyCanuck

Im married to a Canadian (Hemingford Quebec) whose mother died of pancreatic cancer so I know all about your wonderful Health Care system. It's OVERRATED.



posted on Oct, 11 2018 @ 05:36 PM
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originally posted by: ker2010
a reply to: JohnnyCanuck
Im married to a Canadian (Hemingford Quebec) whose mother died of pancreatic cancer so I know all about your wonderful Health Care system. It's OVERRATED.
Condolences on your MiL. I'm the first to say the system ain't perfect, but I know of nobody who would swap it for yours. No matter what the Fraser Institute tries tell you.



posted on Oct, 11 2018 @ 05:55 PM
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a reply to: JohnnyCanuck

I dont wanna knock Canada I like it a lot.

And America is far from perfect and I think most Americans would admit that. There is a great many things we do right with some # things we do wrong.

But if you wanted to have free healthcare here there is no way that will work without enforcing immigration laws and dealing with our HUGE illegal immigration problem.

People try to compare us to Scandinavian country's but it's very unfair because we live under very different circumstances.

And there are a few things I wouldn't swap from your country. we are different and that is ok we make good neighbors and in the end that's all that matters.

Ya do your thing, we do ours and we coexist peacefully so its all good.



edit on 11-10-2018 by ker2010 because: (no reason given)



posted on Oct, 11 2018 @ 06:07 PM
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originally posted by: JohnnyCanuck

originally posted by: ker2010
a reply to: JohnnyCanuck
Im married to a Canadian (Hemingford Quebec) whose mother died of pancreatic cancer so I know all about your wonderful Health Care system. It's OVERRATED.
Condolences on your MiL. I'm the first to say the system ain't perfect, but I know of nobody who would swap it for yours. No matter what the Fraser Institute tries tell you.


Have you ever lived under our system?

If not, how would you know anything about it?

Ours was not perfect either, but when they tried to "fix" it in 2012-2014 it only made it worse. Thanks to the ACA aka Obamacare.

It's no secret, I've said it before one of the left's policies I support is Universal Healthcare. But short of that, I'd like to return the system at least to where it was before the ACA ruined it.

My health insurance costs have tripled since pre 2014. I get charged for things now that used to be fully covered. Yay deductables!!

edit on 11-10-2018 by poncho1982 because: (no reason given)

edit on 11-10-2018 by poncho1982 because: (no reason given)



posted on Oct, 11 2018 @ 08:35 PM
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originally posted by: poncho1982

originally posted by: JohnnyCanuck

originally posted by: ker2010
a reply to: JohnnyCanuck
Im married to a Canadian (Hemingford Quebec) whose mother died of pancreatic cancer so I know all about your wonderful Health Care system. It's OVERRATED.
Condolences on your MiL. I'm the first to say the system ain't perfect, but I know of nobody who would swap it for yours. No matter what the Fraser Institute tries tell you.

Have you ever lived under our system?
If not, how would you know anything about it?
Ours was not perfect either, but when they tried to "fix" it in 2012-2014 it only made it worse. Thanks to the ACA aka Obamacare.
It's no secret, I've said it before one of the left's policies I support is Universal Healthcare. But short of that, I'd like to return the system at least to where it was before the ACA ruined it.
My health insurance costs have tripled since pre 2014. I get charged for things now that used to be fully covered. Yay deductables!!
Am I wrong in the thought that Obamacare (Romneycare) was not the system that Obama wanted...but the only system that the Republicans would let him have? Either way, I don't see any kind of replacement on the way that fixes your problems...that's with total control of executive and legislative branches. Maybe you're just getting screwed?



posted on Oct, 11 2018 @ 09:21 PM
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originally posted by: JohnnyCanuck

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: JohnnyCanuck

As I said - It's because you don't live our system. Health care is not a basic human right.

Correction...in your country, it is not a basic human right. In every other country in the civilised world, it is. Your choices do not define the concept for the rest of us. Sorry.

Hahaha
But yours obviously do?
Mkay



posted on Oct, 11 2018 @ 11:01 PM
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originally posted by: olaru12

Even the discussion of a possible civil war in America is abhorrent.

Totally agree with you here.


The racial hatred is impossible to ignore.


What about left/right or conservative/liberal or whatever you want to call it, is racial? There are white, black, yellow, red, and everything in between on both sides of the issues. These are ideological differences, not racial.


OP: You seem to think the ship is sinking all of a sudden because of Trump. I, like others, disagree. No matter who was elected POTUS in 2016 or what happens this midterm election, my life has basically been the same # show for a while now. This anger has been festering for a long time. I truly hope we can come back together as Americans but at this point in time, I don't see that happening.



posted on Oct, 11 2018 @ 11:42 PM
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originally posted by: amazing

But can you just take it away?



Who is taking healthcare away? I must have missed where someone made it illegal to run/visit a hospital or clinic to get treated.


LIke if you had a heart attack...would you expect help or would you just not care?


If I called 911 I would obviously expect help, and I would also expect to pay for it.


Or if my mom lost her insurance. I wouldn't want her just to die. Would you?

It's fun to talk about Utopian societies but we actually live in reality.


Losing insurance is not losing healthcare, please don't conflate the two. Healthcare you/your insurance company pay for your treatment, insurance you pay in case something happens. Don't get me wrong, healthcare in the US is super expensive and has/will continue to bankrupt people. I tend to lean right but I see the merits of a single payer system to keep costs down. I was hoping that's what Obamacare was going to be, but then the insurance companies had to meddle in it.



posted on Oct, 12 2018 @ 03:34 AM
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originally posted by: Fools
a reply to: intrepid Let's just say that 50 years of socialist programs have not done much good and are starting to fail things.


50 years of socialist programs? In America? Oh, come on, don't be silly. You wouldn't know socialism if if tell on you. You're an American: the nearest thing you have to socialism is at best middle-of-the road democratism. No wonder, you already shot the shepherd dog!

Shepherd dog? Yes - many Americans sit behind a rock, toting a shotgun, spying over the edge of the rock to see what comes in the distance. And if they see a dog, they are sure it's a wolf. And the first thing they do is pull the trigger, heck, better safe than sorry, right? They end up with a dead shepherd dog and the real wolf having a field day. That's how Americans treat socialism, communism and anarchism: they shoot at it and then blame it for all the dead sheep.

edit on 12-10-2018 by ForteanOrg because: he confused Alan with the dog.. bloody NASA ..



posted on Oct, 12 2018 @ 03:40 AM
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a reply to: intrepid

I've said this before and I'll say it again: America is racing headlong into Civil War Part 2.



posted on Oct, 12 2018 @ 06:27 AM
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originally posted by: JohnnyCanuck

originally posted by: poncho1982

originally posted by: JohnnyCanuck

originally posted by: ker2010
a reply to: JohnnyCanuck
Im married to a Canadian (Hemingford Quebec) whose mother died of pancreatic cancer so I know all about your wonderful Health Care system. It's OVERRATED.
Condolences on your MiL. I'm the first to say the system ain't perfect, but I know of nobody who would swap it for yours. No matter what the Fraser Institute tries tell you.

Have you ever lived under our system?
If not, how would you know anything about it?
Ours was not perfect either, but when they tried to "fix" it in 2012-2014 it only made it worse. Thanks to the ACA aka Obamacare.
It's no secret, I've said it before one of the left's policies I support is Universal Healthcare. But short of that, I'd like to return the system at least to where it was before the ACA ruined it.
My health insurance costs have tripled since pre 2014. I get charged for things now that used to be fully covered. Yay deductables!!
Am I wrong in the thought that Obamacare (Romneycare) was not the system that Obama wanted...but the only system that the Republicans would let him have? Either way, I don't see any kind of replacement on the way that fixes your problems...that's with total control of executive and legislative branches. Maybe you're just getting screwed?


Yes, you are wrong.

Obamacare passed without Republican support.



posted on Oct, 12 2018 @ 08:42 AM
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originally posted by: poncho1982

originally posted by: JohnnyCanuck

originally posted by: poncho1982

originally posted by: JohnnyCanuck

originally posted by: ker2010
a reply to: JohnnyCanuck
Im married to a Canadian (Hemingford Quebec) whose mother died of pancreatic cancer so I know all about your wonderful Health Care system. It's OVERRATED.
Condolences on your MiL. I'm the first to say the system ain't perfect, but I know of nobody who would swap it for yours. No matter what the Fraser Institute tries tell you.

Have you ever lived under our system?
If not, how would you know anything about it?
Ours was not perfect either, but when they tried to "fix" it in 2012-2014 it only made it worse. Thanks to the ACA aka Obamacare.
It's no secret, I've said it before one of the left's policies I support is Universal Healthcare. But short of that, I'd like to return the system at least to where it was before the ACA ruined it.
My health insurance costs have tripled since pre 2014. I get charged for things now that used to be fully covered. Yay deductables!!
Am I wrong in the thought that Obamacare (Romneycare) was not the system that Obama wanted...but the only system that the Republicans would let him have? Either way, I don't see any kind of replacement on the way that fixes your problems...that's with total control of executive and legislative branches. Maybe you're just getting screwed?

Yes, you are wrong.
Obamacare passed without Republican support.

I guess everybody was in hock to the insurance lobby. My mistake. Still was a dog's breakfast of inefficiency, I agree.



posted on Oct, 12 2018 @ 08:48 AM
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originally posted by: ForteanOrg

originally posted by: Fools
a reply to: intrepid Let's just say that 50 years of socialist programs have not done much good and are starting to fail things.


50 years of socialist programs? In America? Oh, come on, don't be silly. You wouldn't know socialism if if tell on you. You're an American: the nearest thing you have to socialism is at best middle-of-the road democratism. No wonder, you already shot the shepherd dog!

Shepherd dog? Yes - many Americans sit behind a rock, toting a shotgun, spying over the edge of the rock to see what comes in the distance. And if they see a dog, they are sure it's a wolf. And the first thing they do is pull the trigger, heck, better safe than sorry, right? They end up with a dead shepherd dog and the real wolf having a field day. That's how Americans treat socialism, communism and anarchism: they shoot at it and then blame it for all the dead sheep.


Your analogy is horrible. I think the reality is that Americans are one of the few nations on this planet to see socialism as the disease it is.

And even so, our politicians have been able to push it on us wherever they can. Anyway, you sound like you know far more than me, so lay it on me old wise one. Tell me what we should all be doing, or more importantly - saying.



posted on Oct, 12 2018 @ 12:32 PM
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originally posted by: thov420

originally posted by: amazing

But can you just take it away?



Who is taking healthcare away? I must have missed where someone made it illegal to run/visit a hospital or clinic to get treated.


LIke if you had a heart attack...would you expect help or would you just not care?


If I called 911 I would obviously expect help, and I would also expect to pay for it.


Or if my mom lost her insurance. I wouldn't want her just to die. Would you?

It's fun to talk about Utopian societies but we actually live in reality.


Losing insurance is not losing healthcare, please don't conflate the two. Healthcare you/your insurance company pay for your treatment, insurance you pay in case something happens. Don't get me wrong, healthcare in the US is super expensive and has/will continue to bankrupt people. I tend to lean right but I see the merits of a single payer system to keep costs down. I was hoping that's what Obamacare was going to be, but then the insurance companies had to meddle in it.


My point is that anyone can get sick or get hurt in an accident. Anyone could get fired, laid off or lose insurance, even after paying for it for decades. I shouldn't have to lose my house, my business, my transportation, and my way of life because of it.

You have to remember that in America, I've paid taxes for decades, social security for decades, Health insurance for decades. I feel like I'm entitled to get the healthcare I need because of it. Because I paid for it. I want my taxes to go to healthcare not military spending for 700 military installations around the world, Homeland security and our government spying on us.



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