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posted on Oct, 10 2018 @ 03:33 AM
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a reply to: Dfairlite

Do you support a raise in defense spending? If so, you support a type of socialism, no different than our taxes paying for health insurance regardless of whether you want to or not. Government is a form of socialism where our taxes pay for the maintenance and leadership.
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posted on Oct, 10 2018 @ 04:36 AM
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a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1

Ahhh, so it's that you don't understand (or are conflating) what socialism is. Ok, that's fair. Socialism is the state owning the means of production, usually through some form of democracy. Does the state own the means of production in the military? Absolutely not. They purchase just about everything they use, from weapons to medical care, from the private sector. Hell, even soldiers aren't solely owned by the government, see blackwater. Plus our soldiers are volunteers. If you believe everything the government does is socialism (like funding and running the military) then everything else it does is also socialism, isn't it? When a cop shoots an unarmed black man, that's socialism, according to what you've laid out as socialism.

Obviously that's incorrect, otherwise anything short of anarchy is socialism, correct?
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posted on Oct, 10 2018 @ 04:42 AM
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originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: olaru12
a reply to: UKTruth




This time the left's ideology has to be stamped out for good. They are 100% responsible for the mess in society.



How do you propose to accomplish this? A "purge" like some other members contemplate?


I don't need to propose a method. The method is already being executed by President Trump. It involves shining a light on the left and letting them show the world just how vile they are. He made the left take their masks off.
There will be no tolerance of the left now. No debate and no forgiveness.
It remains to be seen whether the putrid ideas and tactics of the left have gained the foothold needed to destroy society completely or whether their evil can be defeated. One thing is certain, though, there is no more pretence.

The battle is one of ideas and will be fought at the ballot box. I can see your attempt to draw me into talk of violence and civil war. It won't work. Like i said, the mask is off the left, so attempts to project the lefts violent ideology will not work.
You should get out of your echo chamber a little more often. Really.



posted on Oct, 10 2018 @ 05:47 AM
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originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
a reply to: shooterbrody

Your first reply to me was my reply to a member calling for people to lose their vote based on ambiguous "merits". Why would you speak up on that particular post unless you were defending the argument I was arguing against. If you weren't defending that particular argument then you need to be a little more clear about what you are addressing.

Lol
Always the other that is unclear?
Something about what happens when one assumes...
But all is well...unreliable narrator is still unreliable
Seems not so far above the fray though.



posted on Oct, 10 2018 @ 06:55 AM
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originally posted by: olaru12
a reply to: poncho1982




But it's not racial, not at all. No, it's ideological, and if you don't believe that it's only because you haven't realized it on your own yet.


It's racial.


If you would have heard the insults my ex Hispanic wife endured and she was born and raised in Lubbock, you just haven't realized it on your own yet.

Ever experienced the pleasure of "driving while black" yes it's racial and getting worse not better. And the hatred will destroy the nation; if it weren't for the T&C, the overt racism would be as prevalent on ATS as stormfront.



Ever lived in Laredo as a white person? Opposite side of the state, yet, also very racist, only the Hispanics do the insulting there. It's like everywhere else in this country, mostly good people, some bad. If you focus on racism, you will see it everywhere. Most people don't care what color you are, they just want to live their lives.



posted on Oct, 10 2018 @ 09:00 AM
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a reply to: CriticalStinker


1. CriticalStinker:That said Trump is their savior, he is a gold mine for them.


Saviour and Gold mine? do you have any Citations to back up your claims?
and if he was a Saviour why would people see him that way?
why would most districts in america vote him in? who does the Right need saving from?
you are making a lot of BOLD and Positive claims without providing any proof to your delusional statements, the Onus of which is on you.
Instead of ASSUMING what Trump is to "Their" have you bothered to ask "Them" or are you proposing some form of Psychic or Otherworldly reason you think this is accurate?

YOu Are not really independent, your a full on BLUE. You just pretend at being in the middle while excusing the side you picked with childish copouts that sound like this "because some jerk said mean things about Obama everything and anything the left does is EQUAL and you deserve it"

"B-b-bu-but they did it first mommmy!"

Lets see other stuff that came out of your mouth

2. CriticalStinker:But let's not ignore this is the man who coined the phrase "no publicity is bad publicity", it's what won him the election.


so theres two things wrong with the above statement.
One is the publicity quote. he didnt coin that at all. thats not only untrue but ignorant
I think you may be mixing up the quote and and its context. The qoute is "there is no such thing as bad publicity" which is often attributed to PT Barnum, who was a shameless publicity hound.
The quote you mentioned does not exist in anything trump has said.
The second part is stating it "won him the election"
so a quote or bad publicity?

Cause it sounds like you really dont know what you are talking about, you are just making stuff up and trying to sell it as "independently" well thought out.
I dont get it Crit, you guys have been able to see that if you dont do your due diligence in research I will literally grab your statements by the ##### and rip it out like "Predator" if I catch you in a lie, yet you continue posting with nothing but "Argumentim Ad Ignoratim"

Wait dont leave, Im not done with you. theres more....


3. CriticalStinky:It's a two lane road in this case, you can't bite the hand that fed you his victory.



you mean the Polls that said he couldnt possibly win? the lies? we werent fed his victory by the Media.
our votes paid for it.
or are you saying that the Media Interfered in our Election through Meddling?
you are saying that we voted for a guy based on all the bad things being said about him?

It couldnt possibly be because you and the rest of the left gobbled up hate, racism, and cheered when you heard your "Madam Neverwas" degrade and encourage you all to treat your opposition as SubHumans? Replace "Deplorable" with "JEW" and maybe... if you try hard enough... you will see how that works, especially when combined with other actions and remarks.

We didnt Vote yes for TRUMP. We VOTED NO TO BIGOTRY

"Any Means(Code for "Whatever you can think of") Necessary"(Code for "We arent giving you any specifics in order to avoid personal Liability for your actions but instead leave it up to your imagination and creativity to decide *Wink Wink* Kill")

You keep making up "Reasons" or tying circumstance to causal relations that you neither have the Citable sources of which to back up your claims, but pure conjecture based on nothing but your own viewpoint.

you are Not a Centrist or Independent, because everytime some Pharisee like yourself claims the "Both partys are part of the same shadowgovernment and you need to play nice" I only ever see it in Rightwing Threads, you never go telling the left threads that line,
heck you arent even responding with that triffle B.S. to 'Werks
you are only responding to the known rightwingers.

So not only are you ignorant and making up everything as you go along, but your a snake in the grass blue who lies about being independent which is a sales tactic of a snake oil CON.

I would tell you to be ashamed, but I know you are just doing your idea of "Any Means Necessary" to try keeping the Right from standing up to your ilk, to keep anyone foolish enough to believe the words of a deceiver complacent.

And people like you will never hold a candle to my POWER.
"For my Tongue is a Double Edged Sword, and That Swords name is TRUTH"

you need take a long look at the Integrity, Honesty and Credibility you have Sacrificed for your two faced agenda, no one here should ever trust you again,
Oh, you Owe REAL independents an Apology, cause you used their Name to deceitfully platform your obvious Underhanded ploys.

I will be checking in on your posts, I may not be able to stop you from your lies, but you should be scared of how badly I can discredit you and expose you.
And you should feel lucky I dont accomplish my Goals by "any Means"
you can always ask G66 or look up my banned Catscratch username posts with him to see that I can Doxx faster than a quickened Sniff of the Winter Fox.

Im what you might call "Weaponized Autism" and I make the rain man look slow.
I do not like Deceivers.

I know this sounds harsh, but life is Tough, and you should know I am playing nice right now. I am tired of the
"Pretend Independents"


Blade: Frost... you're nothing to me... but another dead vampire



edit on 10-10-2018 by AutisticEvo because: (no reason given)



posted on Oct, 10 2018 @ 09:10 AM
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originally posted by: burdman30ott6
a reply to: intrepid

The boat isn't sinking, though. The country is thriving economically, diplomatically, and policy wise. That's the problem, Trep, this broken America that the left sees isn't reality.


The body may be doing fine but the soul is sick. It's to the point that if a neighbor's house was on fire, if they were of the opposite side instead of calling 911 they'd grab the marshmallows.


Why should the ramblings of people suffering from political Munchauson by Proxy hold any weight on things?


Thank you for proving my point here.



posted on Oct, 10 2018 @ 09:34 AM
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originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
a reply to: Dfairlite

Do you support a raise in defense spending? If so, you support a type of socialism, no different than our taxes paying for health insurance regardless of whether you want to or not. Government is a form of socialism where our taxes pay for the maintenance and leadership.


The government of the United States of America is a constitutional federal republic. It functions as a democracy and a republic because citizens elect individuals to represent them, and a majority vote determines laws. this is not Socialism, you are confused.


1. " Socialism is not a form of government, it is a type of society in which people take care of one another and people share in the management of their capitalism. As stated, Socialism is a type of society where the purpose of society and capitalism is to benefit society.The workers play a vital role in the management of the companies and share more equitably in the profits. There is plenty of confusion regarding Socialism


types of economies are not types of governments. socialism is an economic system rather than a governmental system. Socialism itself is simply the collective ownership of industries and the means of production. Nothing more. While the government might get involved, in a political system known as “state socialism”,

The difference between social democracy and capitalism is that the government provides social welfare programs and economic regulations in the interest of the general populace. As the name would suggest, the government is democratically elected like in democratic socialism. Again, social democracy is a system of capitalism, not socialism. it’s often incorrectly perceived as socialism.



1. "Capitalism refers to an economic theory in which a society’s means of production are held by private individuals or organizations, not the government, and where prices, distribution of goods, and products are determined by a free market"


And there you have it from Merriam Webster.
Socialism is not even close to a Government...

If you are in school or going to college I would highly recommend 3 courses for you.
Civics/Political Science/DEBATE

you are too easy to beat without those Courses.
kicking your argument to dust was like kicking a raggedy andy doll down the stairs... boring and too simple to be any real fun.

Sources and Citations...that stuff you need to not get schooled when in political debate...

www.reference.com...
www.merriam-webster.com...
www.just-say-why.com...



posted on Oct, 10 2018 @ 10:33 AM
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a reply to: intrepid


The body may be doing fine but the soul is sick. It's to the point that if a neighbor's house was on fire, if they were of the opposite side instead of calling 911 they'd grab the marshmallows.


you mean like that one guy who left a mother stranded in the snow because he saw the trump sticker on her car and drove off yelling "Call Yo President" and sold tshirts because democrats howled in delight at his mistreatment?
thats where the Lefts Base was two years ago, not one of them was against it. they laughed and laughed and ordered shirts and hats to commemorate their joy, 20000 sold!

you are behind, the left has moved even further past than hypothesis, and btw, this is old news but I understand how easy it to forget these kind of facts when all you think about is hating trump and anyone who voted for him must be some kind of cultist, despite having no evidence for it I guess the REALITY of why many OPPOSE THE LEFT is forgotten in place of Leftists Fantasy that we are no better, despite no facts to back that up or even circumstantial evidence.



Thank you for proving my point here.


he did not prove anything, and neither did you.
whats hilarious is people like you that must of spent the last two years in a closet coming out and saying that we are somehow being bad for getting fed up with all the Bigotry and Tribal regression of good manners from the left while you all pretend ignorance of all the vicious inhumane treatment the Left's BASE has been up to

Yeah you heard me, CNN eggs and cheers it on, but all the dirtiest things are coming from Not the politicians, but the Actions of their supporters.

Maxine and Co would not be taken in their words so seriously by us, if your Constituents werent so eager to act on their command.

You accuse the Right of worshipping Donald,
But you Worship the Hatred of the Left and Bow in subservience to their Twisted words and Logic.

there might be a few who Actually think Trump is some Prophet, a very little few, like 20 to 50 people worldwide max.

The Majority of his supporters however only do so because of stories, THOUSANDS of Stories like what I listed above.

you think Im lying, let me show you thegrio.com...

and this
www.dailymail.co.uk...



Bernie Sanders supporter boasts on Facebook about refusing to help stranded motorist because she had a Trump bumper sticker Troy Brown boasted that he had refused to help a woman whose car was stuck in the snow after he spotted her Trump bumper sticker He posted a picture of the vehicle with the caption: 'I was going to help her but she has a #Trump sticker on her car #CallYoPresident' He also posted a video of himself purportedly driving on by without helping The post sparked major debate among the hundreds of comments
The post has been liked and shared more than 4,000 times, He had posted the picture of the stranded motorist on December 13 - when Ohio was suffering heavy snowstorms and freezing temperatures hitting as low as 13 degrees.


that 4000 happened that week, I will see later what it was at after two years.



we dont need the fat man in the white house to tell us what to do,
THE ACTIONS OF THE LEFT SPEAK LOUDER THAN ANY WORDS HE COULD EVER SAY TO ANY ONE!!!!

And Despite how many laud and applaud this kind of EVIL, I would still pull your Bigot Ass out of the Fire.

Thats the Difference between the Two parties minus a few exceptions on either side.
We stand by our principles and Morals, even when we dont think you deserve it.

while you all show your true nature.

thats 4001 examples of DIFFERENCE. and thats just one Moment in Time we will NEVER FORGET!!

can you even give me 40 examples of "Both Sides doing it" since 2016?

Cause I can dredge up that literal "THOUSANDS" More to show you that you have had plenty of time to knock your Fascist BS off but apparently when we start getting a little tired of your destructive tantrums you think its time to call TRUCE?!?

WHATS WRONG? You were Enjoying yourselves just a little while ago... Now you Dont want to Play Anymore?

Cause I have 4001 REASONS that YOU should maybe take a step back.... "AND LITERALLY #### YOUR OWN FACE!!"

Link Provided for Example www.youtube.com...
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posted on Oct, 10 2018 @ 10:37 AM
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The body may be doing fine but the soul is sick. It's to the point that if a neighbor's house was on fire, if they were of the opposite side instead of calling 911 they'd grab the marshmallows.

That is bs.
The upcoming natural disaster that is hurricane michael will easily disprove that malarky.
The soul is just fine; it is the msm that is sick.



posted on Oct, 10 2018 @ 11:57 AM
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a reply to: shooterbrody

They just dont get it, they want to believe we would do the same, or that we are Jonestowning the koolaide,

They blame Russia, they Blame Trump, they Blame an Alt Right they cant even define the Origins of,
They dont get I would rather Have EVERY Radical MUSLIM and angry refugee move to my Town alone and Establish Sharia Law, than let their lunacy back in control

I would Rather Live in Sharia America, as the only Alcohol Dispenser and Satanic Activist in their nation, than hear one more line of uncited crap from them.

I would Rather HAVE EVERY CARTEL South of the Border From Mexico to Argentina Hunting me for me and have my address and signs from the bottom of south america every ten feet going all the way to my Home with arrows to make sure they dont miss even one turn to find me,

than live in an America ruled by people who think they can justify their ghastly words and actions and make childish excuses for their actions that points blame everywhere but themselves, than spend one minute under a leader that was picked by those kind of people.

I would Rather be in an "Event Horizon" HELL, cause im pretty sure Demons dont need to make copout excuses for tormenting you.

But WHEN I go to HELL if I see a Left Winged Satan, I will personally make Sure it is Also a RED Majority POWER within the Hour!

that way when these... people die, they will find they WILL spend Eternity in a Republican Controlled SYSTEM!!

In Two Years I have still in my heart compassion for them, but cant help noticing they have grown ever more out of control in that time.

And they send in their "Leftists in Independent Disguise" to tell US TO CHILL?

And it has NOTHING? NOTHING to do with Their Desperate Loss of Power due to Their ABUSE and their Elected Officials Encouraging Abuse?

There are no Coincidences...

Yet they still think we were influenced by Russians, Or Hackers, or Wikileaks, or Fox, but Influenced by Millions of Leftist's Hate? "NOOOOOOOoooooooooooooooooo" Say it Aint So.

and yet still, I dont let politics get in the way of my common courtesy, of compassion, or even my sense of Empathy.

I Believe in 5 Things.
1.I’m a fighter. I believe in the eye- for- an- eye business. I’m no cheek turner. I got no respect for a man who won’t hit back. You kill my dog, you better hide your cat.
– Muhammad Ali
2.The best revenge is not to be like your enemy.
– Marcus Aurelius
3. Saying “Revenge is a dish best served cold” means not only the manner in which one should serve it, but, also the time to serve it.
4. Revenge is an act of passion; vengeance of justice. Injuries are revenged; crimes are avenged.
– Samuel Johnson
5. We should forgive our enemies, but not before they are hanged.
– Heinrich Heine


I may pull you out of a burning blaze, but that doesnt mean you all are going to walk away from your words or actions without consequence.

There are ALWAYS...CONSEQUENCES......

You should of stopped in 2016 Before you Threatened my Mom over her SKIN TONE.

Cause us Native Americans Dont let threats like that SLIDE without Penance...

keep an eye on them woods outside your town... us Flyover people know how to travel and track without streets and signs...

and just think, all you people ever had to do was say you were sorry for acting like a bag of D####.

remember that all you Independents and Centrists, instead of talking about how wise you are not effecting a damn thing from the sidelines and getting mad that the right wingers are getting out of their chairs after so long....

maybe you should look at the facts of who did what in 2016 and since 2016, and maybe suggest they could start open discussion with an apology for their Party's Rhetoric.

I dont care if your a moderate dem, your silence is evidence of consent. you Owe a Bigger APOLOGY for failing to confront your own Radicals like the REDS have already done to their own.
KKK? Still banned since the 70s,(most of them were DEM anyway)
Neo Nazis? they dont get no place at our table... and they know WHY
Angry RED Radicals? weve lectured them, next time they act out we tan their hide
Baptist Boycotters? Shamed by us behind closed doors for saying hateful crap and bringing Jesus into it in the same Message. you cannot mix oil and Water.

Oh and Btw, the Marines and Military is mostly Right Wing
So is ISLAM. You didnt know? lol

Keep up the BS instead of Reason, Refuse to Apologize and one or two things will be your fate my dear Left.
I will Vote to Push HUGE Zones in America for Sharia
I will Ignore what the RED party does now that they Control the SENATE/WHITE HOUSE/ H of R/ SCOTUS
and I will help them for a fee to track any of you in the woods who they are looking for.

You should stop before the righties start acting out.
you still have time to be as reasonable as they have been and still are.

They are supporting eachothers Tolerance.
keep pushing the violence and oppression, they will make a move.
And once a few make a Move, the Rest Will move TOGETHER.

And then the very thing you claimed to Fear we stood for in 2016 will come to pass as your very own specially concocted SELF FULFILLED PROPHECY.

you called them Nazis, and Acted like its ok to Beat and Harass them like they were less than people, less than your Countrymen and Women, Less than Everything else that LIVES? = you will through your cruelty Resurrect the VERY NAME of the THING you FEAR MOST. And the Irony will be YOU helped Create not only a New kind of Nazi, but One that is WHOLLY JUSTIFIED in Their Agenda.

cause these boys Dont see Muslims or Jews threatening them and their Wish for a Peaceful Prosperous Life of Good Will.

They only See YOU Doing that.
Just Your People..
and hey, they wont need a Gold Star or armband.
You Registered, and Posted online.

You Already Marked yourselves.

now that I made this clear, I suggest you all apologize.
Before the REDs lose their cool.

Im honestly impressed with most of them. they are way more tolerant than I would be if AntiFa came to a Rally where I live and hit a local.
I live next door to an Outlaw Bikers home.
two Blocks from a Ghetto, in a medium sized town with a crime and violence rate equalled by St Louis.
just much smaller.
There is a Reason outside radicals dont block the streets here...

I would hate to see this kind of place, become America everywhere.
but if it does because of the Left's Pursuit of Oppression and Harassment...
Im going to Laugh








posted on Oct, 10 2018 @ 12:09 PM
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originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: intrepid


The body may be doing fine but the soul is sick. It's to the point that if a neighbor's house was on fire, if they were of the opposite side instead of calling 911 they'd grab the marshmallows.

That is bs.
The upcoming natural disaster that is hurricane michael will easily disprove that malarky.
The soul is just fine; it is the msm that is sick.
I would venture to suggest that my fellow Canuck might be basing his observations upon the goings-on at ATS, more than any msm. Though I could be wrong.
And as to your hurricane comment, Puerto Rico doesn't stand as a great example of Americans pulling together in adversity.



posted on Oct, 10 2018 @ 12:21 PM
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Ah, so no argument yet again, only slights. When will you learn to bring any kind of counterpoint to the table? That seems to be all you have left in your bag of tricks because it's obviously lacking any kind of coherent point other than you don't like my ideas.



posted on Oct, 10 2018 @ 12:23 PM
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a reply to: Dfairlite

So taxes paying for or healthcare isn't socialism? Thank God I'll never have to hear that argument again. Oh wait, I'll hear it a thousand more times.



posted on Oct, 10 2018 @ 12:30 PM
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a reply to: JohnnyCanuck

www.unidosporpuertorico.com...
www.fema.gov...
www.fema.gov...
one only has to look
quicker than a timmys run



posted on Oct, 10 2018 @ 12:35 PM
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originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
a reply to: shooterbrody

Ah, so no argument yet again, only slights. When will you learn to bring any kind of counterpoint to the table? That seems to be all you have left in your bag of tricks because it's obviously lacking any kind of coherent point other than you don't like my ideas.

any slights are from your perception alone, something about victim complex although as I am not an md your milage may vary
merely pointing out your incorrect assumptions which are not surprising from an unreliable narrator



posted on Oct, 10 2018 @ 12:42 PM
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originally posted by: intrepid
The body may be doing fine but the soul is sick. It's to the point that if a neighbor's house was on fire, if they were of the opposite side instead of calling 911 they'd grab the marshmallows.


That would depend entirely on whether they were an asshole about things. Believe it or not, I don't talk politics often outside of ATS and conversations with a few likeminded friends. It's obvious who I voted for, but by and large I leave people be same as I expect to enjoy for myself. If someone decides to be the millitant SJW, then yeah, they'd best not expect any assistance from me.



posted on Oct, 10 2018 @ 12:51 PM
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originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: JohnnyCanuck
www.unidosporpuertorico.com...
www.fema.gov...
www.fema.gov...
one only has to look
quicker than a timmys run
OK, so you're on the record as stating that if Florida is flattened, you'll be happy for it to be treated just like Puerto Rico was. Thanks for that.



posted on Oct, 10 2018 @ 01:10 PM
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originally posted by: JohnnyCanuck

originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: JohnnyCanuck
www.unidosporpuertorico.com...
www.fema.gov...
www.fema.gov...
one only has to look
quicker than a timmys run
OK, so you're on the record as stating that if Florida is flattened, you'll be happy for it to be treated just like Puerto Rico was. Thanks for that.

perhaps your american english to canadian english translator has malfunctioned?
the record in no way reflects what you posted
what a minute are you one of those filthy quebecers?
allow me to phrase it in words you will understand then "nous nous rendons"



posted on Oct, 10 2018 @ 01:14 PM
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Do you think most neighbors are talking to each other about this?

I don't think any of my neighbors care all that much. Someone gets stuck in their drive in the winter and we're pushing each other out.




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