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African-American vs American "Slaves"?

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posted on Mar, 6 2005 @ 08:30 PM
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It is amazing how far saving fifty bucks a month can get ya. The computer itself is cheap. It was in the neighborhood of $600 bucks. That's only saving for a year. Plus, I need it. You would not believe the amount of documentation that you need in electronics and instrumentation. (At least twelve pages worth of write-ups a week. Advanced circuitry and Digital will get you. Plus coding...) Also, thanks to my college, internet is free! I found this to be a great solution to the problem. (Monitor was hand me down.)



MBF

posted on Mar, 6 2005 @ 09:28 PM
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Originally posted by OXmanK
Has anyone here been a victim of the reverse racism known as AA in the past five years? Ten years? Twenty years? AA has been neutered thanks to EOE in my opinion.


I have been fighting the govt since 1999 for this reason. I don't care what that I can prove, they still back that man and and tell me that I am the problem. All my lawyers tell me that what they did to me is obvious and is wrong, but they are the govt and they can do anything that they want to me.



posted on Mar, 6 2005 @ 09:51 PM
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Are you at liberty to talk about it. I would love to hear it.



posted on Mar, 6 2005 @ 11:51 PM
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wow...some things just boogle my mind. for instance.



How much choice can a single mother with three kids possibly have, you sick sorry punk. Can she just go back to school. NO! Do you honestly believe it is her intention, her choice, to raise her kids below the poverty limit? DO YOU THINK SHE COULD DO ANYTHING AT THAT POINT OTHER THAN TRY TO FARKING FLOAT? WHAT THE FARK DO YOU SUGGEST SHE FARKING DO? WELL...WHAT? YOU HAVE NO FARKING CONCEPT OF THE WORLD OUTSIDE OF YOUR OWN. You arrogant sap.


Choice has to do with everything that happens, make dumb decision at an early age=how your quality of life is in the future. I could CARELESS that your mother has three children. My mother has four.....does that make a difference? Maybe if your mother went to school before she had children, or while she was still with your father, (if she was even married at all) maybe she wouldn't have been in this situation. Like I previously stated: decisions you make=how your life is in the future. So yelling at me, and calling me names because of what mistakes were made really does show how your character is, not to mention insulting my parents on how they raised me. I didn't call your mother a "schmuck," though now I may choose to think otherwise because your mother didn't raise her child with enough common sense either.



But not everybody living below poverty are the LAZY PRICKS YOU MAKE THEM SOUND TO BE. Some of them just have to do what they have to do. (Working to support your single income VS. Going to school)


wow....and again. Out of the two jobs that I currently work, I have met many people who are "poor." For instance my night job at UPS, I work with people who have been with the company for eight+ years doing the same exact thing they have done when they first started. I ask them why they choose to do this, and they say, "if I were to move up, I would have to think more." Hmmmm.....really makes you think on how ambitious they really are, and how much they want to improve their quality of life. I'm not saying that they are all like this but a good 80 percent have this kind of attitude. The other kicker to this is that they work harder doing this "non-thinking" job versus working another position that involves "thinking." After this, and similar responses with my other job I do strongly think "everybody living below poverty are the LAZY PRICKS"
Well not all of them but most.



posted on Mar, 7 2005 @ 01:29 AM
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In my two years working for them I learned a lot about the different acts of 1964 and believe that they have advanced those who suffered discrimination by society to allow them to integrate into society.


That may or may not be true, but did it also tell you of the excesses, injustices and the fact that the system is based upon racial profiling?

I understand that there will always be injustices and that no system is perfect, but any good system that is designed to level the playing field will evolve - AA does nothing of the sort. It may have at one time, but a new solution is way overdue.

I grew up in the hardscrabble streets of an eastern seaboard city, and what I see is that whether AA is law or not, hard work and sacrifice equals success (generally, but not always), and this comes down to one thing; PARENTING.

In many other cultures, the parents will sacrifice ALL to put the eldest through school/college, and that child then will a;lso sacrifice a great deal to do the same for their younger siblings -- This includes many times coming to America, or another country to serve as contract workers, where they generally remit a sizeable percentage of their earnings back home, while sometimes working 2+ jobs, and sometimes even attending additional studies in their host country.

This behaviour is not prevalent in western society.. Well, it hasn't been in a long time, anyway. Parents (I use that term loosely) who want to indiscriminately screw anything that moves, but are both ill-prepared to care for children, or even unwilling -- Half-Assed parents who expect teachers to teach their children morals and work ethic, when they themselves (the parents, and in many cases the teachers as well) have none is the accepted norm nowadays, kids growing up as welfare children when there are jobs readily available (of course, the wages are never high enough to please many Americans/Westerners).. Is it any wonder that the kids are looking for their free lunch when they become adults?

There are arguments to be made for both sides, but IMO when you factor in much of what I said in the previous paragraph, AA is tantamount to slavery, but not in and of itself alone.. The whole "handout" mentality here (while perhaps done with the best of intentions) teaches one thing to those without education, and that lesson is you don't have to work, the government will take care of you. These are chains of one's own making, IMO.

I grew up as poor in my Polish family as any other Black, White, Jewish, Italian, or any other kid in my hometown, for that matter. I grew up during the "race riots" of 1968, was bussed to a slum to attend a school, I smoked pot, and attended the U. of Hard Knocks too, but it wasn't long before I figured out that there was a reason my Mother and Father worked two jobs each.. And while I could never live up to their work ethic, I learned that hard work equals success -- Maybe not even money-wise, but in morals, character, and good judgement.

In this age, instead of the focus being on educating children at schools, that focus is secondary to LIABILITY.

See, you can throw money at a problem all day long, but at the end of the day, that by no means that the problem will get solved. Our problems may be similar, but cookie cutter solutions that are based on racial profiling will never solve AA's serious flaws. I'm not even sure what the solution would be, but I feel in y heart that this isn't it.


[edit on 2005/3/7 by M3g4d37h]



posted on Mar, 7 2005 @ 01:52 AM
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And the content of your character is bile and piss.

What you stated earlier, is bull. You make a broad sweeping generalization with what you have experienced in what 21 or so years...maybe...in a handful of jobs. You make it sound like it is so easy to make these choices. There are no real choices pal. It is a balancing act, my friend, wrought with sacrifice on either side. And all you can hope for is landing on your feet when the day is done.

The way you state it is so disingenuous. "Oh, they are poor because they choose to be that way." If it were only that simple. Yes, we are all bound by choices. BUT, nobody has the foresight TO SEE WHAT THE FUTURE HOLDS FOR THEM. If they did, no one would be poor. No one would be crippled from accidents. No drunk driving accidents. Hell, even casinos would go out of business. Do you see where your theory is going? Do you think Christopher Reeves chose to be crippled? "Yeah, life sucks as a millionaire...I need something to spice it up."


You make it sound as if these people knowingly send their lives down the crapper. When that is hardly ever the case. Which sounds more likely:

Yeah, I'm gonna drop out so I can live in poverty.

OR

My mom's in the hospital and I have to help out.

How about another:

I'm going to screw my future and stop going to college.

OR

I cannot possibly afford a place, food, and a dependable vehicle to get me to work and go to class.

Here's another good one:

I'm going to live in a bad neighborhood and hopefully get robbed.

Or

I can't afford anything else at this point in my life. Hopefully it will work out for the best.

One more:

I'm going to go to work and maybe one day I will become a manager.

Or

I'm chosing this job so I can die early in the worst terrorist attack on American soil! After all, it has already been hit once.

The last one, I promise:

I need some money for groceries.

Or

I'm gonna get mugged at the ATM. And after that guy stops raping me, maybe he will shoot me in the head!

Choices are made daily. And yes, a causal chain of choices brings you to the point we are at. But people do not intentionally screw themselves over. Every choice has a consequence, but every choice also has an unknown. You cannot honestly state that people simply chose to be poor. That's dishonest and you know it. No matter how many stories you can bring to light.

And, no, you didn't call my mom a schmuck. You just said she wanted to be poor. (And yes, the path you "chose" is the one you want.) And besides, screw you for questioning my mother's situations. "If she was even married..."

EDIT: Something that would have been very nasty...

[edit on 3/7/2005 by OXmanK]



posted on Mar, 7 2005 @ 02:19 AM
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Originally posted by OXmanK
Hell, my momma was poor. She still is. Do you think she liked crying at the end of the month because she cannot make all of the bills? Do you still think that is a choice? DO YOU THINK SO YOU LITTLE PIECE OF TRASH! Even when she was working full time and getting a little in child support, she could not cut it. No matter how hard she tried, she could not get ahead. But you know what, she always made sure there was food in our mouths, clothes on our back, and a roof over our heads.


So how exctly were you lving in poverty? It seems to me that if you had food on the table, clothes on your back, and a roof over your head, you couldn't have been too poor.
Maybe you just like to whine I don't know.
Do yo even know what poor means oxmanx? Have you ever slept on the street, have you ever had to do day labor just to afford your dinner? Have you ever been in a situation where a supersize meal from McDonalds and a bus bench were a good day? I have, I grew up poor, in a poor neighborhood, and was homeless at 19. I scraped, and I scratched, and I pulled myself up by my bootstraps, so dont come cryng to me about how poor you were. Poor is not being unable to afford cable TV, and it sure as hell aint being unable to afford a BMW. Grow up, stop whining, and take control and responsibility for your own life.



posted on Mar, 7 2005 @ 02:29 AM
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Originally posted by mwm1331

Originally posted by OXmanK
Hell, my momma was poor. She still is. Do you think she liked crying at the end of the month because she cannot make all of the bills? Do you still think that is a choice? DO YOU THINK SO YOU LITTLE PIECE OF TRASH! Even when she was working full time and getting a little in child support, she could not cut it. No matter how hard she tried, she could not get ahead. But you know what, she always made sure there was food in our mouths, clothes on our back, and a roof over our heads.


So how exctly were you lving in poverty? It seems to me that if you had food on the table, clothes on your back, and a roof over your head, you couldn't have been too poor.
Maybe you just like to whine I don't know.
Do yo even know what poor means oxmanx? Have you ever slept on the street, have you ever had to do day labor just to afford your dinner? Have you ever been in a situation where a supersize meal from McDonalds and a bus bench were a good day? I have, I grew up poor, in a poor neighborhood, and was homeless at 19. I scraped, and I scratched, and I pulled myself up by my bootstraps, so dont come cryng to me about how poor you were. Poor is not being unable to afford cable TV, and it sure as hell aint being unable to afford a BMW. Grow up, stop whining, and take control and responsibility for your own life.


there you go again, talking about other peoples lives...is that what gets you off man? Why can't you stick to a topic instead of talking about individual member's lives... gee wiz



posted on Mar, 7 2005 @ 02:53 AM
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OOPS,

I threw it out there. If he wants to make comments, let him...if he says something stupid...fine...it will just earn eternal ire.

MWM,

And congratulations for it.

Never slept on the street, but I have been in situations where the money has been tight enough to scare the crap out of you. Thing is, life is different for everybody. Everyone has their own hardships.

My life, I have no complaints nor regrets. I have been poor and will probably be poor tomorrow. But not forever.

The point of it was not to publicly "whine". I was using a personal experience of mine to prove a point. Hopefully, the last post cleared up what he was missing. Chances are, probably not. Not an intelligence issue, but rather being hard headed like everyone else here...myself included.



posted on Mar, 7 2005 @ 04:17 AM
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My point oxmank was that whther for good or ill, it is our own choices which determine our lives.
I have known many smart educated people who do to bad choices have destroyed any chances of success they may have. I have known people with good jobs, who do to thier own inabillity to plan ahead, end up homeless or in poverty, becuase they never bothered to save when times were good.
Single mthers decry thier fte yet who is responsible for thier children?
if a woman becomes pregnant in high school is it my fault she never graduated?
The problem is that now a days no one want to take reponsibility for thier own choices.
I cant count the number of poor people who believe thier lack of success is someone else fault, this despite the fact thier first stop after work is the local bar.
The number of poor who complain they have neither the time nor the money for additional education, despite the fact they manage to watch 4-6 hours of TV a night, and buy a new corrola or camry every 2-3 years.
Yes if you are born into poverty it is hard to struggle out, one must make sacrifices, however if you are unwilling to do so it is impossible to struggle out. Isn't it your own fault though if you are unwiling to make those sacrifices?
In life we must make choices, we decide what to choose based on what is important to us. If going out to clubs and drinking overpriced liquor is what you decide is important, dont blame me when you cant afford a community college or trade school.
Riches come through action, through actvley seeking them. poverty comes through inaction, through complacency. One is the reward of those who take thier lves into thier own hands, the other the natural result of going with the flow.
How many poor peopkle do you know who waste thier money and time at the bar, the club, resturants, movies, and Luxury goods?
How many of the same bitch about how its someone else fault they are poor?
Going to a resturant is nice, but if you are poor, is it worth it?
Fiscal discipline is something the averge poor person doesn't have, and one of the reasons they are poor.
I saw the result of the choices most people make, and I had to decide to make different ones. I had to decde every minute of every day, "Is the money I am about to spend worth it?"
How many of those who are "poor through no fault of thier own" do the same?
How many TV's d they own, how many CD's or DVD's? How much have they spent on thier car?
Every single poor person I have ever met has seemed to think they are being "kept down"
Untll that is I start liting off the luxury items they have, and help them understand how much money they have wasted, then they get quiet.
Afetrall they are called "luxury items" for a reason.



posted on Mar, 7 2005 @ 05:41 AM
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How is it that so many think being poor is some kind of "death" sentence. Are we so "fat" and lazy in america that true "poverty" means watching TV on a 13" color TV instaed of a 46" plasma screen? The answer is yes if you are a "liberal".



posted on Mar, 7 2005 @ 10:52 AM
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Every poor person?

Do you count some with a vehicle not poor, just for the fact that he has a vehicle? Or, as stated earlier, a computer? The luxury items of old are becoming necessary today. What used to be luxury in the 60s, 70s, and 80s are not that big nowadays. Such as cell phones. It is a common thing for anybody, because they are the easiest way to connect with the world. (Besides, better long distance plans) If you do not have one, you are already disadvantaged. Computers...you have to have one of those, regardless. Cars are sorta luxury today, but mostly not. I don't know about ya'll but I have had to fix $250 cars with chicken wire and string just to get to work. Having certain items does not mean you are not poor, IMO. Living on the streets is perhaps the ultimate meaning of poor. But, just because I have a roof over my head does not mean I am not living well beyond my means.

And, yes, I have stated there are people who do abuse it. I have a term for it, but it would probably get another warning...let's just say it's like having a Jag, but no money for gas.



posted on Mar, 7 2005 @ 12:14 PM
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My point oxmank was that whther for good or ill, it is our own choices which determine our lives.
I have known many smart educated people who do to bad choices have destroyed any chances of success they may have. I have known people with good jobs, who do to thier own inabillity to plan ahead, end up homeless or in poverty, becuase they never bothered to save when times were good.
Single mthers decry thier fte yet who is responsible for thier children?
if a woman becomes pregnant in high school is it my fault she never graduated?
The problem is that now a days no one want to take reponsibility for thier own choices.
I cant count the number of poor people who believe thier lack of success is someone else fault, this despite the fact thier first stop after work is the local bar.
The number of poor who complain they have neither the time nor the money for additional education, despite the fact they manage to watch 4-6 hours of TV a night, and buy a new corrola or camry every 2-3 years.
Yes if you are born into poverty it is hard to struggle out, one must make sacrifices, however if you are unwilling to do so it is impossible to struggle out. Isn't it your own fault though if you are unwiling to make those sacrifices?
In life we must make choices, we decide what to choose based on what is important to us. If going out to clubs and drinking overpriced liquor is what you decide is important, dont blame me when you cant afford a community college or trade school.
Riches come through action, through actvley seeking them. poverty comes through inaction, through complacency. One is the reward of those who take thier lves into thier own hands, the other the natural result of going with the flow.
How many poor peopkle do you know who waste thier money and time at the bar, the club, resturants, movies, and Luxury goods?
How many of the same bitch about how its someone else fault they are poor?
Going to a resturant is nice, but if you are poor, is it worth it?
Fiscal discipline is something the averge poor person doesn't have, and one of the reasons they are poor.
I saw the result of the choices most people make, and I had to decide to make different ones. I had to decde every minute of every day, "Is the money I am about to spend worth it?"
How many of those who are "poor through no fault of thier own" do the same?
How many TV's d they own, how many CD's or DVD's? How much have they spent on thier car?
Every single poor person I have ever met has seemed to think they are being "kept down"
Untll that is I start liting off the luxury items they have, and help them understand how much money they have wasted, then they get quiet.
Afetrall they are called "luxury items" for a reason.


Took the words right out of my mouth


MBF

posted on Mar, 7 2005 @ 10:00 PM
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Originally posted by OXmanK
Are you at liberty to talk about it. I would love to hear it.


I am a farmer so I have to get a loan every year to put in a crop. The man that I have had trouble with was the loan officer that I had to go through to get my loans. First he would drag around and get my loan to me at the end of the crop when it was too late to do me any good. Then he would deny the loans for false reasons. One reason was that I don't have adequate education to farm. I have 4 years of college in mechanical engineering and have farmed full time for 20 years since college so I think that I know what I am doing. They give loans to people that don't have high school education. Another reason was that I hadn't repaid a loan for the previous year. I had repaid the loan early and overpaid it but my lawyer wasn't even allowed to present my canceled checks as evidence that I had repaid the loan at a hearing. He also said that I had filed for bankruptcy and I never have or even been a part of any business that has. They even tried to foreclose on me 2 times for not repaying that same loan that I had paid. We think that he took some of my money to pay off a guy to go to jail for a cocain trafficking charge that he had. I could go on and on about things that he did to me but I think you get the picture.



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