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Vice News D.C. Chief Admits There Were ‘Paid’ Anti-Kavanaugh Protesters

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posted on Oct, 8 2018 @ 12:27 PM
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a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

Astroturfing 101. One or two paid protesters gives folks like CNN the opportunity to pretend a movement is brewing.




posted on Oct, 8 2018 @ 12:31 PM
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If you're gonna go spend a day or two protesting... might as well get paid for it.

Cant believe some people do it for free......

A2D
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posted on Oct, 8 2018 @ 12:34 PM
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a reply to: theantediluvian

Yes, both parties do it. It should be stopped.



posted on Oct, 8 2018 @ 12:50 PM
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originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: theantediluvian

Yes, both parties do it. It should be stopped.


Bull Sh!t....

It's capitalism, business, the American corporate way expressing itself thru the wonderful world of politics.

You wanna play, pony up the cash.

I work for the GOP btw. We hold events where attendees receive baskets of goodies. Some worth real money, like super bowl tickets and get included in the campaign commercials and paid to be on camera.

I got it though, its illegal when the opposition does it. How naive and partisan must you be to not understand what an oligarchy is....???
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posted on Oct, 8 2018 @ 12:53 PM
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originally posted by: theantediluvian




WoW !!!

I see 13 people (+Kavanaugh) that aren't mental cases !!!

Look OUT !!!



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posted on Oct, 8 2018 @ 12:56 PM
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a reply to: theantediluvian

Do you have proof those women were paid, or are you attempting to compare advertising and promotional expenses from donations to a volunteer organization to paying actual protest participants so they'll protest?
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posted on Oct, 8 2018 @ 12:59 PM
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originally posted by: theantediluvian
a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

So sounds like a professional organizer? There are full-time organizers for both the Left and Right who work for various organizations. I'm sure you're aware of all those Koch-funded organizers for the Tea Party movement? Or nah?

Speaking of Kavanaugh though:




Butbutbut Anti... SOROS!!! SOROROROS!



posted on Oct, 8 2018 @ 01:00 PM
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originally posted by: burdman30ott6
a reply to: theantediluvian

Do you have proof those women were paid, or are you attempting to compare advertising and promotional expenses from donations to a volunteer organization to paying actual protest participants so they'll protest?


How are you inferring that isn't exactly what the Vice guy is saying?



posted on Oct, 8 2018 @ 01:05 PM
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originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
a reply to: theantediluvian

Whataboutism to address what isn't even the point. Nice.

The point: when it was pointed out that the protesters were paid, it was flat out denied. That is what you need to address....

...not whataboutisms about how 2 wrongs somehow make it right.

In other words: your argument only works to troll your opposition. Us moderates see that and just shake our heads at how the partisans seem to accept the sewers they inhabit.


So a direct comparison is now a whataboutism? How are we supposed to compare similar things now? You right wingers with your thought control.



posted on Oct, 8 2018 @ 01:07 PM
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a reply to: xuenchen

And they bathe.




posted on Oct, 8 2018 @ 01:13 PM
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originally posted by: whargoul

originally posted by: burdman30ott6
a reply to: theantediluvian

Do you have proof those women were paid, or are you attempting to compare advertising and promotional expenses from donations to a volunteer organization to paying actual protest participants so they'll protest?


How are you inferring that isn't exactly what the Vice guy is saying?


How? They're called "words" and when you place them orderly together, they create sentences. I used one of those to make my inference known. This may help you: www.ed2go.com...



posted on Oct, 8 2018 @ 01:15 PM
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a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan


Whataboutism to address what isn't even the point. Nice.


What makes whataboutism a fallacy is that it's a retort that doesn't discredit the argument it's made in response to. When the argument that is being made is that only one "side" does something, giving evidence of the other side doing it directly refutes the initial argument.

For instance, if you called me an asshole and then I called you a clown and then you said, "Only leftists call people names! Disgusting!" then it wouldn't be whataboutism for me to point out that you'd just called me an asshole. That would directly refute your argument about it being confined to one side.


The point: when it was pointed out that the protesters were paid, it was flat out denied. That is what you need to address....


No, the point made in the OP was that anti-Kavanaugh protests were a "hit job" because there were professional activists involved. Furthermore, there was the reference to the general narrative that left-wing protests are all fake, which is something that Trump specifically pushes and you know it. Take for instance Trump's tweet:


The very rude elevator screamers are paid professionals only looking to make Senators look bad. Don’t fall for it! Also, look at all of the professionally made identical signs. Paid for by Soros and others. These are not signs made in the basement from love! #Troublemakers

9:03 AM - 5 Oct 2018


This came an hour and a half after Chuck Grassley was on Fox News saying that he believed the he "tended to believe" that anti-Kavanaugh protesters were paid by Soros. The clear implication being that they were there because Soros paid them to be there.

That they were his puppets and working at his direction.

Which I'll note is really ironic because it's totally cool for Trump or any other Republican to make allegations about people at will while simultaneously crying big fat fake af crocodile tears about the presumption of innocence. Working for an organization that received grants from the OSF doesn't make these people Soros's employees, doesn't mean that they take orders from Soros and doesn't discredit their activism.

Anyway, back to Trump's tweet. Yes, he does first make reference to the women who confronted Flake but then he went on to insinuate that all of the anti-Kavanaugh protests were fake and should be disregarded ("Don't fall for it!").

As for the women who confronted Flake in the elevator — their identities were known from the start. It wasn't a secret. People know who they are. They weren't pretending to be something they were not. They were posting about it on Twitter, their names were trending on Twitter, everyone knew who they were.


twitter.com...

In other words: your argument only works to troll your opposition. Us moderates see that and just shake our heads at how the partisans seem to accept the sewers they inhabit.


That's some pretty selective head shaking.
edit on Mon Oct 8 2018 by DontTreadOnMe because: TWITTER SOURCE ADDED



posted on Oct, 8 2018 @ 01:15 PM
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Atroturfing was massive during the 2016 president campaign. The Clinton team’s Outrage machine likely led to the fervent anti-Trump sentiment we see today. It’s all propaganda.


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posted on Oct, 8 2018 @ 01:19 PM
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originally posted by: theantediluvian
a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

To add, "Women for Kavanaugh" appears to be a project of the conservative activism group, Concerned Women for America. CWA has paid organizers.

So... paid supporters for Kavanaugh.


So they paid women to invade elevators where Senators like Feinstein or Spartacus were riding and to scream at them and carry on about how they are mothers of sons and wives of husbands and how deeply disturbed they are by the spectacle of a man having his life and family and good name destroyed by mere accusations without benefit of full legal due process?

I must have missed the press covering that one ad nauseum like they covered the elevator misadventures of Jeff Flake.



posted on Oct, 8 2018 @ 01:20 PM
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a reply to: whargoul

Again, the point (bigfatfurrytexan's point) is lost on you. Here it is again, bolded so you can acknowledge it & address it:


originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
a reply to: theantediluvian

Whataboutism to address what isn't even the point. Nice.

The point: when it was pointed out that the protesters were paid, it was flat out denied. That is what you need to address....


No one will win the battle of 'whataboutism' but we can all try to address a poster's point, especially when that point is lead with "The point:" (easily recognizable)



posted on Oct, 8 2018 @ 01:25 PM
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originally posted by: whargoul
You right wingers with your thought control.




You just called a moderate left traditional liberal (BFFT) a "right winger."


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posted on Oct, 8 2018 @ 01:27 PM
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I have less problem with people being paid protesters than two things:

1. The portrayal of paid protestors as spontaneous rage-generated outbursts. They aren't if a lot of them have professionally printed shirts and signs. That takes time, planning, and money; those are all signs of organization and forethought.

2. The tactics a protest uses. You want to march around outside and wave your signs; yell at folks going in and out? Great! Have at. You want to invade the proceedings and act like asses? Not great. You want to accost people in the commission of their business in normally private areas? Not great. You want to splash their personal info around the spew death threats at them and their families? Not great.



posted on Oct, 8 2018 @ 01:34 PM
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originally posted by: burdman30ott6

originally posted by: whargoul
You right wingers with your thought control.




You just called a moderate left traditional liberal a "right winger."



It's that 'thought control' you have over the world!!!

You're good man... better than you probably realize!! LOL



posted on Oct, 8 2018 @ 01:37 PM
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a reply to: ketsuko

"by any means"
"means to an end"

The goal was to ruin Kavanaugh's life (oh wait, that was just sarcasm).

Actions speak louder than words...shall we say?!



posted on Oct, 8 2018 @ 01:40 PM
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originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: Justso

Actually is is a party issue.

Communism is on the march.

The snip we witnessed recently goes on in the North Korea,China,and other despotic regimes.


What is super confusing to me is the reverse psychology of it all.

Democrats hate Russia and say Russia infiltrated America and are "going back to the Cold War mentality", but yet want a Communist govt ? Huh? That's contradictory.

Republicans hate the Islamic movement, and Democrats protect them all the time from any criticism - yet Repubs have way more in common with the traditionalist conservative views of Islam, and Democrats are completely at odds with just about everything preached in Islam.

This stuff is too ironic.



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