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Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Calls for Abolishing Electoral College: ‘Shadow of Slavery’s Power’

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posted on Oct, 7 2018 @ 05:00 PM
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People fundamentally misunderstand the Electoral College, the Office of the President of the United States, and local State government.

1) The POTUS is NOT your President, he's the president of the United States Federal Government.

2) The electoral college exists NOT to represent the vote of the people, but that of the individual States each member belongs to.

3) By doing away with the electoral college, you are doing away with each States' vote for who to run the Federal Government, which OVERSEES the States.

4) If the citizens directly elected the POTUS, each state would NOT be represented and only the most populace States would dominate.

5) If this were true, there would be no point in having a Federal government overseeing the States from an executive branch perspective, unbalancing the checks of the three-headed hydra. (SC, Congress, Executive Branch).

6) Cortez is the dumbest broad to ever be elected to Congress, ever.




posted on Oct, 7 2018 @ 05:00 PM
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originally posted by: theMediator
I might not agree with the rest of what she says but I can easily say that the electoral college is anti-democratic.

Why should someone's vote count more than the other? Seriously?

On the other hand, I can understand people defending the idea of a republic.

Then again! Isn't it easier to corrupt the members of the electoral college than the whole population?
Oh...that's right, MSM seems to be able to brainwash most people already.

Is there really any good solution? :p

Maybe that has something to do with the fact that we’re not a straight democracy because they don’t work....
edit on 10/7/2018 by BigDave-AR because: (no reason given)



posted on Oct, 7 2018 @ 05:06 PM
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originally posted by: Tempter
People fundamentally misunderstand the Electoral College, the Office of the President of the United States, and local State government.

1) The POTUS is NOT your President, he's the president of the United States Federal Government.

2) The electoral college exists NOT to represent the vote of the people, but that of the individual States each member belongs to.

3) By doing away with the electoral college, you are doing away with each States' vote for who to run the Federal Government, which OVERSEES the States.

4) If the citizens directly elected the POTUS, each state would NOT be represented and only the most populace States would dominate.

5) If this were true, there would be no point in having a Federal government overseeing the States from an executive branch perspective, unbalancing the checks of the three-headed hydra. (SC, Congress, Executive Branch).

6) Cortez is the dumbest broad to ever be elected to Congress, ever.


Excellent explanation.

One correction: #6....Cortez has not been elected yet. Elections are Nov. 6th.



posted on Oct, 7 2018 @ 05:10 PM
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originally posted by: queenofswords

originally posted by: Tempter
People fundamentally misunderstand the Electoral College, the Office of the President of the United States, and local State government.

1) The POTUS is NOT your President, he's the president of the United States Federal Government.

2) The electoral college exists NOT to represent the vote of the people, but that of the individual States each member belongs to.

3) By doing away with the electoral college, you are doing away with each States' vote for who to run the Federal Government, which OVERSEES the States.

4) If the citizens directly elected the POTUS, each state would NOT be represented and only the most populace States would dominate.

5) If this were true, there would be no point in having a Federal government overseeing the States from an executive branch perspective, unbalancing the checks of the three-headed hydra. (SC, Congress, Executive Branch).

6) Cortez is the dumbest broad to ever be elected to Congress, ever.


Excellent explanation.

One correction: #6....Cortez has not been elected yet. Elections are Nov. 6th.


Thank you, I knew she had only won the primary, got ahead of myself. But I consider her election a lock, unfortunately.


*Edit, to make it clear to people who have a hard time following this logic: IT'S NOT YOUR VOTE, IT BELONGS TO THE STATE.
edit on 7-10-2018 by Tempter because: (no reason given)



posted on Oct, 7 2018 @ 05:15 PM
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She said democratic republic, sounds like she wants to remove the word republic from all that.



posted on Oct, 7 2018 @ 05:16 PM
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Democratic republic is an oxymoron.

Republic by definition flips the middle finger to the mob(democratic).



posted on Oct, 7 2018 @ 05:19 PM
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originally posted by: neo96
Danger,Danger Will Robinson.



Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, the Democrat Party’s rising socialist star running to represent New York’s 14th District in Congress, called for the electoral college to be abolished on Saturday, moments after then-Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh was confirmed by the Senate.




We' ve reached the breaking point people.



If that wasn't scary enough.



Ocasio-Cortez joins a growing number of Democrats, including Clinton, calling for the electoral college to be replaced. In a September 2017 interview with CNN, Clinton told host Anderson Cooper that she believed the process was outdated and needed to be replaced. “We’ve moved toward one-person, one-vote, that’s how we select winners,” said Clinton. “I think it needs to be eliminated. I’d like to see us move beyond it, yes.”


This from the person that stole her primary nomination and had them super duper delegates.

Which is anything but one person, one vote.

The left represents a clear and present danger to the REPUBLIC.

Their version of Democratic Republic sure the eff doesn't mean what Cortez, and CLinton think it means.

Save the cheerleader.

Save the Republic.

Save your soul.

PS.



“Hate speech isn’t ‘telling it like it is,’” she added. “It’s just hate.”


She didn't mean the angry left wing mob, and death threats, and decaptation videos being sent to Republican congressman, and their families.

There's just no end to the stupid in this country.

She should return to making sandwiches.



posted on Oct, 7 2018 @ 05:22 PM
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originally posted by: seagull
a reply to: Kharron

You really don't understand the purpose behind the electoral college, do you...?

If you did, you would post such patent nonsense.


And this is what ATS has become.


Moderators attacking members while offering no proof for their opinions, or providing an explanation to their opinion. Just a baseless attack.

I do understand electoral college -- as if I had to explain myself to you. You please explain why you think I don't.

Replies like this from mods, under mod tags, makes me sad of what this website has become.

Please explain.



posted on Oct, 7 2018 @ 05:22 PM
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"The Electrical College is outdated and who needs electricians to count our votes anyway!"
-Alexandria Occasional-Cortex



posted on Oct, 7 2018 @ 05:25 PM
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originally posted by: Kharron

originally posted by: seagull
a reply to: Kharron

You really don't understand the purpose behind the electoral college, do you...?

If you did, you would post such patent nonsense.


And this is what ATS has become.


Moderators attacking members while offering no proof for their opinions, or providing an explanation to their opinion. Just a baseless attack.

I do understand electoral college -- as if I had to explain myself to you. You please explain why you think I don't.

Replies like this from mods, under mod tags, makes me sad of what this website has become.

Please explain.



When a Mod chooses to participate in a topic, they become just like you and I! If you are afraid to debate them because they are a MOD?


That's on you!



posted on Oct, 7 2018 @ 05:30 PM
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originally posted by: seeker1963

originally posted by: Kharron

originally posted by: seagull
a reply to: Kharron

You really don't understand the purpose behind the electoral college, do you...?

If you did, you would post such patent nonsense.


And this is what ATS has become.


Moderators attacking members while offering no proof for their opinions, or providing an explanation to their opinion. Just a baseless attack.

I do understand electoral college -- as if I had to explain myself to you. You please explain why you think I don't.

Replies like this from mods, under mod tags, makes me sad of what this website has become.

Please explain.



When a Mod chooses to participate in a topic, they become just like you and I! If you are afraid to debate them because they are a MOD?


That's on you!


Debate what?

It was a nonsense reply that was based on nothing. It spoke in generalities and pointed out nothing I was wrong in. It was just a baseless attack hiding behind a mod tag -- how is that debate?

seagull did not say, this is how you are wrong, or maybe you should look at it this way or that way. Or you're making a mistake in this thinking.

it is a nonsense attack on a member, hiding behind a mod tag and offering nothing to debate.

And then you guys defend the mods for attacking fellow members.

How was I wrong? How do I not understand the electoral college based on what I wrote? How is your comprehension of the EC better? How are they different? In which way may I have misunderstood the way it works?

None of this was even brought up, only a baseless attack that I honestly don't even have time for. I don't have the energy for this crap. Too many people and mods don't embrace what this website used to stand for.



Edit to add:
Have a good night guys. If your goal is to push away readers so a smaller and smaller echo chamber is created at each step, it's working. Fight amongst yourselves. Good night.
edit on 7-10-2018 by Kharron because: (no reason given)



posted on Oct, 7 2018 @ 05:33 PM
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originally posted by: Tempter
People fundamentally misunderstand the Electoral College, the Office of the President of the United States, and local State government.

1) The POTUS is NOT your President, he's the president of the United States Federal Government.

2) The electoral college exists NOT to represent the vote of the people, but that of the individual States each member belongs to.

3) By doing away with the electoral college, you are doing away with each States' vote for who to run the Federal Government, which OVERSEES the States.

4) If the citizens directly elected the POTUS, each state would NOT be represented and only the most populace States would dominate.

5) If this were true, there would be no point in having a Federal government overseeing the States from an executive branch perspective, unbalancing the checks of the three-headed hydra. (SC, Congress, Executive Branch).

6) Cortez is the dumbest broad to ever be elected to Congress, ever.


About Number 4

Because of demographics swings actually hold the power. Not the small states. Not large states. Only states that have a fairly even mix of democrats and republicans. That is where the campaigning is done. It is where the most money is spent. Sure a democrat may go to California while a Republican goes to Texas but that is always just a fundraising stop never a campaign stop. This is what the electoral college in modern times has birthed.

Something else to think about

80% of the US lives in an urban area as of the 2010 census.
U.S. Census Bureau
More information can be found on the census.gov website.



posted on Oct, 7 2018 @ 05:34 PM
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a reply to: Kharron

I'm not a mod and I agree with Seagull.

A two party system is not a necessity.

It's just become a standard accepted practice to create the false choice fallacy.

en.wikipedia.org...



In addition, the first President of the United States, George Washington, was not a member of any political party at the time of his election or throughout his tenure as president. Furthermore, he hoped that political parties would not be formed, fearing conflict and stagnation, as outlined in his Farewell Address.[6]


We let George down.



posted on Oct, 7 2018 @ 05:36 PM
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a reply to: shooterbrody

Although late, Obama put his support behind her. That means she probably had to agree to be the echo for somebody for a while.



posted on Oct, 7 2018 @ 05:40 PM
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She's a hypocrite !!!

She hates Kavanaugh but she was a bartender !!!

💥🍻💥



posted on Oct, 7 2018 @ 05:41 PM
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originally posted by: Kharron

originally posted by: seeker1963

originally posted by: Kharron

originally posted by: seagull
a reply to: Kharron

You really don't understand the purpose behind the electoral college, do you...?

If you did, you would post such patent nonsense.


And this is what ATS has become.


Moderators attacking members while offering no proof for their opinions, or providing an explanation to their opinion. Just a baseless attack.

I do understand electoral college -- as if I had to explain myself to you. You please explain why you think I don't.

Replies like this from mods, under mod tags, makes me sad of what this website has become.

Please explain.



When a Mod chooses to participate in a topic, they become just like you and I! If you are afraid to debate them because they are a MOD?


That's on you!


Debate what?

It was a nonsense reply that was based on nothing. It spoke in generalities and pointed out nothing I was wrong in. It was just a baseless attack hiding behind a mod tag -- how is that debate?

seagull did not say, this is how you are wrong, or maybe you should look at it this way or that way. Or you're making a mistake in this thinking.

it is a nonsense attack on a member, hiding behind a mod tag and offering nothing to debate.

And then you guys defend the mods for attacking fellow members.

How was I wrong? How do I not understand the electoral college based on what I wrote? How is your comprehension of the EC better? How are they different? In which way may I have misunderstood the way it works?

None of this was even brought up, only a baseless attack that I honestly don't even have time for. I don't have the energy for this crap. Too many people and mods don't embrace what this website used to stand for.



Edit to add:
Have a good night guys. If your goal is to push away readers so a smaller and smaller echo chamber is created at each step, it's working. Fight amongst yourselves. Good night.



You made it about the persons response being a Moderator and trying to shame them. I am telling you, that if a moderator chooses to become a part of the discussion they are just like you and I! One of the things I like about ATS is that rule.


You chose to take the path you did instead of challenging the words that disagreed with you!


"Shame shame shame shame shame" doesn't work so well on ATS......



posted on Oct, 7 2018 @ 05:42 PM
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originally posted by: queenofswords
a reply to: shooterbrody

Although late, Obama put his support behind her. That means she probably had to agree to be the echo for somebody for a while.


Like baraks support means anything these days
It will probably push people away

Surely there is an open nanny job near her?



posted on Oct, 7 2018 @ 05:43 PM
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a reply to: Kharron

It seems the Mod's & Admin have cleaned house. I'm still in awe of what a great job they have done. Notice the regulars aren't here to pick a fight with anyone or argue just for the sake of arguing? Of course, this was called having a difference in opinion and debating facts wink-wink. ATS has just become a better place !

BIG THANKS to all Mods & Admin !



posted on Oct, 7 2018 @ 05:45 PM
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Socialism PAYS!




posted on Oct, 7 2018 @ 05:46 PM
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I'm a centrist I'd fight this with every fiber of my being... if this is where the Dems are going I understand why they keep losing.

Full disclosure I live in metropolitan New York... I personally benefit from the removal of the Electoral College ... assuming I don't value liberty and freedom for all.
edit on 7-10-2018 by DanDanDat because: (no reason given)




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