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Why do Democrats and Republicans see Kavanaugh in such different ways?

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posted on Oct, 7 2018 @ 01:07 AM
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Just came across this article which talks about the current political divide and then proceeds to make generalizations in an almost comical fashion.


Party polarization is tearing at the fabric of American society. The partisan reaction to sexual assault allegations against Brett Kavanaugh demonstrates how far the threads have frayed. An Economist/YouGov poll shows Democrats by about an eight to one margin believe that Kavanaugh committed assault, while Republicans by a similar margin believe he didn’t.

This is pretty interesting actually and does a good job of showing how we have people living in two completely different realities. However if we were to look at the facts without any bias it seems very probable these accusations are false or at the very least exaggerated. I don't "believe" he did or didn't, the evidence is not enough to overcome reasonable doubt and it makes no sense to believe he absolutely did do it, that's just a political projection.


Hatred, pure and simple, is the roux of this partisan stew. In the history of public opinion polls, which dates back nearly 100 years, Republicans and Democrats have never expressed as much dislike for the other party (or each other) as they do today. They don’t just disagree with each other on the issues; they find the other dangerous and malevolent.

Because everyone loves to generalize their opponents just as you're doing in this article by saying how Republicans love their mashed potatoes and Bud Light. I mean come on that is just arrogant and distasteful. And what really makes Republican beliefs so dangerous, they like slow change, respect traditions and uphold family values, they have a very conservative morality due to their religion, they aren't the evil monsters you are trying to make them out to be in this article.


Before the 2016 election, a survey asked Americans which came closest to their view – “our lives are threatened by terrorists, criminals and immigrants, and our priority should be to protect ourselves” or “it’s a big, beautiful world, mostly full of good people, and we must find a way to embrace each other and not allow ourselves to become isolated”. About 80% of Trump supporters chose the first. About 80% of Clinton supporters chose the second. Talk about worlds apart.

For a start this is a completely loaded question, of course Trump supporters would choose mostly the first answer because they believe it's important to have strong national defenses. That doesn't mean they think the world is full of mostly terrorists or that the world isn't beautiful. In fact last year I wrote a thread titled A Wonderful World in which I talk about how the world is improving overall in most categories despite this rising mentality that we're living in the darkest times of human history. It would be a breeze to create some loaded questions which result in a conclusion suggesting democrats think the world is a big bad dangerous place and we need to do everything in our power to protect our children from it.


On the Republican side of the worldview divide sit those who prefer children who respect their elders, are obedient, have good manners, and are well-behaved. They have what we call fixed worldviews. Because the world is dangerous to them, traditions and conventions should be fixed in place to maintain order. This worldview sees male authority figures such as Judge Kavanaugh sympathetically because male authority has always stood at the top of the cultural hierarchy. As such, they are concerned about new immigrants and threatened by the prospect of unconventional groups such as transgendered people sharing their bathrooms.

Oh right who needs well behaved children with good manners... I'm pretty sure these are not just Republican ideals but the goals of 99% of parents who are trying to raise respectful and kind individuals who can contribute something to our world. And this obsession with removing all world borders is delusional, having restrictions and legal pathways to entering another country is a good thing and helps keep a nation secure. It's not like Republicans want to stop all immigration, they just don't want to see their own culture completely eradicated. Just as other nations like to protect their cultures, and if we try to invade on their cultures it is called cultural appropriation.


On the Democratic side are those who prefer independent, self-reliant, curious, and considerate children. They have what we call fluid worldviews. Because the world is, to them, safe to explore, challenging old folkways is feasible. Sometimes-discriminatory traditions and hierarchies must be swept away. This worldview sees traditional male authority as an unfair privilege that has allowed men to get away with anything and everything, including sexually assaulting women, without punishment. Fluid types celebrate new approaches and champion those who challenge old norms.

Lol yes because giving them safe spaces and wrapping your children in bubble wrap at every opportunity will produce an independent child. It's not like teaching them to handle a gun or do a days hard work out on the farm will instill any independence or self reliance. Instead we should teach them how no one is a loser and how it's ok to suckle from the teat of the welfare state your entire life, that'll do the trick. Look I get what you're trying to say, religion is stupid and has unnecessarily strict rules which can harm curiosity and individualism, that's why I dislike organized religion... but this automatic assumption that everything they believe is wrong because it's the "old way" of doing this is so naive. Btw sexual assault is illegal and in most cases the perpetrator receives very harsh punishments, it's not like Republicans teach their kids it's ok to abuse women for christ sakes.


The fixed prefer to live in outlying areas, tend to be religious, have less formal education, and prefer the tried and true when it comes to both their politics and their consumer goods. They like meatloaf and mashed potatoes, Folgers and Bud Light, not Peet’s or Sierra Nevada. And they’re overwhelmingly Republicans.

Maybe they prefer living in outlying areas because nature is actually nice and the peace and quiet is enjoyable. What is so good about being packed into a cement and metal landscape like rats in cage anyway? And if you guys really care so much about nature and the environment why would you mock those who enjoy living in a more natural environment? The rest of these generalizations don't even deserve to be countered.


Worse, because their differing worldviews cause them to live and work apart, Republicans and Democrats do not encounter each other as often as before, causing negative stereotypes to harden.

Uh huh... you mean like all the stereotypes you just used in this article? Like how blind do you have to be do do exactly the thing you are claiming is a huge problem. The hypocrisy is on another level, the left is so caught up in their own self-righteousness they cannot even see why Kavanaugh won and it's the same reason they fail to understand why Trump won. Fake virtue is worse than having no virtue at all.
edit on 7/10/2018 by ChaoticOrder because: (no reason given)




posted on Oct, 7 2018 @ 01:27 AM
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a reply to: ChaoticOrder

Democrats see opportunities to hang on to power which ever means necessary.

Yada yada this. Yada yada that. There is no sense, no point in what they say. Running circles screaming. Russia Russia Russia. No Russia? Kava Kava Kava. No Kava? Abuse Abuse Abuse? Clinton abused? Something else Something else Something else.

Only total lunatics at this point follow Democrats. Hope Green Party will pick up some of these too, there‘re far too many dingdongs.



posted on Oct, 7 2018 @ 01:27 AM
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— mods delete this — double post
edit on 7-10-2018 by deckdel because: (no reason given)



posted on Oct, 7 2018 @ 01:59 AM
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Gotta hand it to the Democrats, they almost pulled it off.

I'm almost reluctant to call them Democrats. They are more akin to 'NEOCONS'. Their ilk have been steadily subverting and destroying the Constitution since the late 1950's, perhaps longer.

Economic and social catastrophes are their calling card in order to institute their communist/socialist overturn of our Republic.

Look how whacked out these kids are these days!

The protests of the sixties were nothing like this.

The colleges are thick with liberals at the podium giving lectures on the virtues of 'fairness', immortality, wealth redistribution, etc.
All garbage ideas that cause confusion, frustration, and resentment because that is completely opposite of the system they are leaving college to navigate into.

The divide was incredible as of late. However, it is becoming very clear to all that this EXTREME form of liberalism, hate, intolerance, irrationality, and mania is not only appalling but SEVERELY DANGEROUS!!

It's going to go full retard after the midterms because the Democrats have sealed their doom and going lose BIG.

All it would have took is dignity and grace and they might have salvaged their dwindling positions. Now, it's a wrap...



posted on Oct, 7 2018 @ 02:15 AM
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Please do not try to normalize the lefts behaviour as a different perspective. It's not.
It's all about power and its sheer lunacy.



posted on Oct, 7 2018 @ 02:27 AM
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Seems like its about taking 'sides'

which permeates most every facet of US =L

Divided, Conquered.



posted on Oct, 7 2018 @ 02:34 AM
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originally posted by: UKTruth
Please do not try to normalize the lefts behaviour as a different perspective. It's not.
It's all about power and its sheer lunacy.

Well said and accurate

It's as though, if they can't have it, they will destroy everything so no one can have it.
edit on 7-10-2018 by Plotus because: (no reason given)



posted on Oct, 7 2018 @ 02:37 AM
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originally posted by: deckdel
a reply to: ChaoticOrder

Democrats see opportunities to hang on to power which ever means necessary.

Yada yada this. Yada yada that. There is no sense, no point in what they say. Running circles screaming. Russia Russia Russia. No Russia? Kava Kava Kava. No Kava? Abuse Abuse Abuse? Clinton abused? Something else Something else Something else.

Only total lunatics at this point follow Democrats. Hope Green Party will pick up some of these too, there‘re far too many dingdongs.


What a stupid thing to say man.....c’mon bro

Both sides do the same thing. But as of now the Republicans are doing it better.

Don’t stay blind please.



posted on Oct, 7 2018 @ 02:43 AM
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started this thread expecting to see rational, nuanced conversation about why people see read such different interpretations into the same events
instead, got point by point refutation about why republicans are right about everything and an insistence that this article [which i thought was honestly pretty objective] is out for repub blood.
backed up by multiple posters saying dems are lunatics.

expect to see a rational discussion of the problem here on ats? how foolish can i be, of course there can only be more of the problem in action.

[before y'all come for me as some Dem Sympathiser, i'm australian and i'm watching your whole terrible political circus in stunned bewilderment. the whole damn thing stinks. it's all terrible and you need to change the entire thing.]



posted on Oct, 7 2018 @ 02:54 AM
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a reply to: Allaroundyou

There not voth the same thats just a cop out for people to make excuses. The reality is we have two types of people both fighting for power. The left its about how you feel. Feelings is what decides the decisions that they make. Everything is based off emotional decision's we see it in child rising politics and work. Then there's the right and they tend to downplay emotion and want to use cold hard facts. Problem is facts can lead to some very cold decisions that hurt people.

The best solution is a middle ground balancing the two unfortunately however those people no longer exist.



posted on Oct, 7 2018 @ 02:59 AM
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it's a hard pill to swallow, granted. Look how the senate voted, that should illuminate things some. Every democrat save one voted against. Sorry to disappoint you down under.

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posted on Oct, 7 2018 @ 03:06 AM
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originally posted by: continuousThunder

[before y'all come for me as some Dem Sympathiser, i'm australian and i'm watching your whole terrible political circus in stunned bewilderment. the whole damn thing stinks. it's all terrible and you need to change the entire thing.]

I'm an Aussie too and I'm not Republican so there you go.



posted on Oct, 7 2018 @ 03:08 AM
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a reply to: ChaoticOrder

You can remove Kavanaugh and replace his name with a lot of high-profiles names.



posted on Oct, 7 2018 @ 03:15 AM
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a reply to: ChaoticOrder

so uhh... why the impassioned and unnecessary defense of them on every single point? certainly making it look like you have a horse in this race is all i'm sayin



posted on Oct, 7 2018 @ 03:27 AM
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originally posted by: continuousThunder
:.....i'm australian and i'm watching your whole terrible political circus in stunned bewilderment. the whole damn thing stinks. it's all terrible and you need to change the entire thing."]


We need to change the entire thing? You say you are watching 'our whole terrible political circus' in stunned bewilderment. However, you are not looking close enough to see that change causes this to happen.
Now, the degree at which individuals choose to deal with such change is what's causing the 'circus'. Each party, to which I'm neither affiliated with mind you, has historically had their streaks of holding more sway politically.
The fits and tantrums you are witnessing are the byproducts of social and ideological manipulation mostly by the mainstream media.

Women think they are going to lose their rights to their bodies because President Trump...
Ridiculous.

If you recall, the welfare state here thought before Trump was elected that all their foodstamps and benefits were going to be stolen by him.
Didn't happen...wouldn't happen.

It's hard to convince a fully brainwashed section of the citizenry that all their problems DO NOT STEM FROM A SINGLE PERSON they simply do not like!!!
Most can't even form a complete sentence as to why they don't like President Trump, but its usually the same one worded answers across the board!

The other issue, ...the 2nd Amendment.

You see, you can't have a socialist utopia with a well armed citizenry! Its historically proven with millions dead as witnesses to that fact.
But that doesn't matter to the disarm fanatics, because 'history never repeats itself, and this time we will do better...' Smh.

The progressive movement thought America was finally at the stage of acceptance of radical change but they came on too strong, with the wrong ideas, and then became wildly hypocritical as it pertains to decorum and presentation.

People on both sides became tired of the out of bounds proposals concerning mixed bathrooms, blatant immorality and indecent exposure, the homosexuality lessons in preschools, the cross dressing drag queens during elementary school book readings, and on and on. With each subsequent week, something more ridiculous and unsavory was being proposed or written into law!

Bottom line, policy and the absence of decorum killed the left better than any one man running for president ever could. Then that one man became president and they completely lost their sh#.

Now its spiralled so far out of control, it makes you cringe to see it, to hear it, and make sense of it. I think that's most likely the futile tactic being employed; make it so repulsive that folks will give in just to make it stop.

Personally, I've never seen anything like it, but the tactics are futile when weighed against common decency and respect, to which the majority of liberals do not possess much apparently.

We appreciate you watching however!







edit on E31America/ChicagoSun, 07 Oct 2018 05:07:54 -050010amSundayth05am by EternalShadow because: edit



posted on Oct, 7 2018 @ 03:44 AM
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originally posted by: dragonridr
a reply to: Allaroundyou

There not voth the same thats just a cop out for people to make excuses. The reality is we have two types of people both fighting for power. The left its about how you feel. Feelings is what decides the decisions that they make. Everything is based off emotional decision's we see it in child rising politics and work. Then there's the right and they tend to downplay emotion and want to use cold hard facts. Problem is facts can lead to some very cold decisions that hurt people.

The best solution is a middle ground balancing the two unfortunately however those people no longer exist.


Your right and very spot on.
And sorry deckdel for calling your post stupid. I am very upset by OU’s performance today against Texas. I didn’t mean to take out my frustration on you. Please forgive me.....



posted on Oct, 7 2018 @ 04:10 AM
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a reply to: ChaoticOrder

By no way is it a political divide, or even a partisan one.

To me it boils down to being taught self reliance and self respect, or buying into the victim mentality that so many push these days.

I learned how to think for myself (thank you parents).
I learned life skills (thank you parents and educators).
I learned organized religion is not to be trusted (Thank you career as a church musician).
I also learned organized religion can be a great support for an individual (see above, as well as being raised catholic).

Trust but verify seems an alien concept today. As does respectful debate.

I'm at a loss.



posted on Oct, 7 2018 @ 04:13 AM
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a reply to: EternalShadow

It's late for me tonight, but I put decorum on a notepad to think about writing a thread on, the word, the meaning. I learned the word in fifth grade. I doubt many of my college kids could define it.

ETA- I put it on the list tonight before seeing your post.


edit on 7-10-2018 by randomtangentsrme because: reasons. . .



posted on Oct, 7 2018 @ 04:31 AM
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CLINTON: "I did not have sexual relations with that woman -- Mrs. Lewinski."


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posted on Oct, 7 2018 @ 04:32 AM
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originally posted by: continuousThunder
a reply to: ChaoticOrder

so uhh... why the impassioned and unnecessary defense of them on every single point? certainly making it look like you have a horse in this race is all i'm sayin


I'm not a republican or conservative either. But the article is using gross generalizations and stereotypes to push an agenda.

It should be refuted.
Just as if the article had painted all liberals as drug addled welfare queens.

The media needs to be called out when it's pushing an agenda. Even when it's subtle digs in an attempt to appear neutral and discuss differences they can't help but to push their narrative. It's disingenuous and shouldn't be given a pass.




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