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posted on Oct, 6 2018 @ 09:34 PM
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a reply to: toysforadults

Yeah, you make a lot of good points. But it is hardly difficult to understand why so many on the right are simply fed up. We've called for calm, civility, discussion, debate and compromise (on issues not involving the sanctity of the Constitution) and gotten nothing but insults, accusations, attacks and wild conspiracy theories thrown back our ways.

The democrat performance over the last month shows exactly what their plans are. If they are able to control enough levers of government, they will arbitrarily use impeachment/conviction to install their own hand selected junta. Junta. A word I never expected to be using in conjunction or relation to the United States whatsoever

The dems need to understand that elections have consequences. They shouldn't have ran a protest/activist candidate, knowing full well how serious any election is (but especially a Presidential election). From the lies about Bernie chair throwing in Nevada to Hillary personally insulting Trump's entire base, they made clear the election was about identity politics and not protecting the Constitution and working for the American people. They've now signaled their intent to believe all accusations against any person without any evidence whatsoever. In doing so, they threaten our public process and risk creating a Constitutional crisis.

It is a sad and embarrassing time for this country, but that blame lays solely on radical democrats for their petty and childish behavior. Did you see the ones throwing tantrums at the Senate? They were bracing the doors at one point. Absolutely # ridiculous.

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posted on Oct, 6 2018 @ 09:36 PM
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a reply to: JBurns

Such a great post.



posted on Oct, 6 2018 @ 09:45 PM
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a reply to: jacobe001

I agree with most of what you said except for corporations.

I do have a problem with them. They are soulless entities with no loyalty to anything but the $. As I stated elsewhere, I have seen good men do bad things in the name of protecting the corporations interests.

If anyone can ever figure out how to get that big $$ out of politics our country would get a lot better.

The rule of law must be applied equally and until we start seeing big name politicians going to jail for corruption, nothing has changed. Q movement will fade into oblivion if these people do not actually wind up in prison.

I watched the Tea Party get deftly folded back into the Republican party years ago with no changes ever taking place. I do think it is highly possible the same will happen this time around. I'm hoping not because sometimes that's all we have left.

BTW...
I'm self-employed, my product is 100% American made and I compete against big companies and Chinese goods all day, everyday. And win enough to make a good living. It can be done.



posted on Oct, 6 2018 @ 09:49 PM
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a reply to: JBurns

How do elections have consequences when the same swamp monsters are still in power?
What has Trump done about the Corporate and Banking Lobbyists that infest DC?



posted on Oct, 6 2018 @ 09:51 PM
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originally posted by: Strate8
a reply to: jacobe001

I agree with most of what you said except for corporations.

I do have a problem with them. They are soulless entities with no loyalty to anything but the $. As I stated elsewhere, I have seen good men do bad things in the name of protecting the corporations interests.

If anyone can ever figure out how to get that big $$ out of politics our country would get a lot better.

The rule of law must be applied equally and until we start seeing big name politicians going to jail for corruption, nothing has changed. Q movement will fade into oblivion if these people do not actually wind up in prison.

I watched the Tea Party get deftly folded back into the Republican party years ago with no changes ever taking place. I do think it is highly possible the same will happen this time around. I'm hoping not because sometimes that's all we have left.

BTW...
I'm self-employed, my product is 100% American made and I compete against big companies and Chinese goods all day, everyday. And win enough to make a good living. It can be done.


I will not hold my breath.
Short of a nuclear war, the same people will be in power for years.
I just hope hell does exist and they get sent there.



posted on Oct, 6 2018 @ 09:54 PM
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a reply to: BELIEVERpriest

That's a good way of looking at it. A lot of people here ARE denying ignorance, they are denying their own. People are so gullible, those in power always take advantage of our innate tribal nature. Very sad to see so many falling for it so willingly.



posted on Oct, 6 2018 @ 09:57 PM
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originally posted by: jacobe001
a reply to: JBurns

How do elections have consequences when the same swamp monsters are still in power?
What has Trump done about the Corporate and Banking Lobbyists that infest DC?


Who do you think those yet to be unsealed indictments are for?



posted on Oct, 6 2018 @ 09:59 PM
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a reply to: jacobe001

Trump has given them permanent tax breaks of course.

If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's probably a duck. I'm sure Trump has owed those bankers plenty of favors over the years, he's simply repaying the debts he owes.




posted on Oct, 6 2018 @ 10:00 PM
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originally posted by: manta78

originally posted by: jacobe001
a reply to: JBurns

How do elections have consequences when the same swamp monsters are still in power?
What has Trump done about the Corporate and Banking Lobbyists that infest DC?


Who do you think those yet to be unsealed indictments are for?


Again, I will not hold my breath.
We do not need unsealed documents for this since it is open knowledge:

And yes, all presidents have been beholden to Lobbyists and this needs to F* Stop.


www.opensecrets.org...
Drain the swamp? Lobbyists are filling it up

President Donald Trump promised to drain the swamp. Instead, it’s filling up.

For the first time since 2007, the number of registered lobbyists along with federal lobbying spending each went up, reversing annual declines that began a decade ago.

In all, $3.37 billion was spent on federal lobbying last year, up 7 percent from $3.15 billion in 2016. The increase comes after declines in spending five of the previous six years, rising less than 1 percent the other year.

The 7-percent gain is the largest year-to-year bump since former President George W. Bush’s final year in office in 2008. A crackdown on lobbyists by the Obama administration curtailed years of free spending, which rose from $1.6 billion in 2000 to a record $3.5 billion in 2010.





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posted on Oct, 6 2018 @ 10:06 PM
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a reply to: jacobe001

Uh oh, your quote gives Obama credit for something, that might deter a lot of people from acknowledging the lobbying numbers going up.

Trump IS corporate America, he represents everything about it.



posted on Oct, 6 2018 @ 10:11 PM
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originally posted by: jacobe001

originally posted by: manta78

originally posted by: jacobe001
a reply to: JBurns

How do elections have consequences when the same swamp monsters are still in power?
What has Trump done about the Corporate and Banking Lobbyists that infest DC?


Who do you think those yet to be unsealed indictments are for?


Again, I will not hold my breath.
We do not need unsealed documents for this since it is open knowledge:

Any yes, all presidents have been beholden to Lobbyists and this needs to F* Stop.


www.opensecrets.org...
Drain the swamp? Lobbyists are filling it up

President Donald Trump promised to drain the swamp. Instead, it’s filling up.

For the first time since 2007, the number of registered lobbyists along with federal lobbying spending each went up, reversing annual declines that began a decade ago.

In all, $3.37 billion was spent on federal lobbying last year, up 7 percent from $3.15 billion in 2016. The increase comes after declines in spending five of the previous six years, rising less than 1 percent the other year.

The 7-percent gain is the largest year-to-year bump since former President George W. Bush’s final year in office in 2008. A crackdown on lobbyists by the Obama administration curtailed years of free spending, which rose from $1.6 billion in 2000 to a record $3.5 billion in 2010.







Trump needed a conservative supreme court majority to deal with draining the swamp. He now has one.

He will deal with the lobbyist's issue and term limits soon. Everything in its own time, and with him certain items always have higher priority levels than others. He has done more in less than 2 years in office on a huge variety of issues that have been in existence (i.e problems) for years, and which are now resolved or are being resolved like NAFTA, NORTH KOREA, FAIR TRADE, VETERAN'S RIGHTS, DERGULATIONS, COAL, ETC.) than numerous prior Presidents and he just gotten started.



posted on Oct, 6 2018 @ 10:19 PM
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originally posted by: toysforadults
Ya'll have lost the plot. In your blind allegiance to Trump and the right wing agenda you will say anything and blindly follow anybody on the right without thought. I was a Trump supporter but damn you took it way to far. I'm not blindly following this agenda without questioning people and motives. This is exactly what I don't like about Democrat's and the left. They blindly follow their Democratic leaders around like complete sheep. You do the same thing. I have even seen you parrot the unemployment nonsense and other economic talking points of the right without presenting any research or backing your assumptions up with any evidence just to support the narrative.

Just look at the threads on this board.



If Kavanaugh supports the Patriot Act it's because that act is based on legislation that became law...Kavanaugh defends the law, even if it's bad law...He does not legislate from the bench like the Democrats do...

Why didn't Obama and the Democrat led Congress do something about that law while they were in charge???

Look at the board. It's one right wing blind support post for Kavanaugh after another. None of you know this guy and none of you are even questioning any of it!! Then you have the backbone to make post about liberals protesting and how Kavanaugh ( a 3rd generation Yale graduate Bush appointee and Patriot Act supporter) is fighting the deep state!!

Are you guys fricken nuts or what?

Seriously, come back to reality and start questioning what's going on again.

Of course I bet you are all Patriot Act supporters now too right?



posted on Oct, 6 2018 @ 10:28 PM
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originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
a reply to: jacobe001

Uh oh, your quote gives Obama credit for something, that might deter a lot of people from acknowledging the lobbying numbers going up.

Trump IS corporate America, he represents everything about it.


Opensecrets is an equal opportunity attacker though where purchased politicians are displayed in all its glory.
I am not going to go down the partisan route because I can also display the huge increase in Lobbyists when Clinton came into power.



posted on Oct, 6 2018 @ 10:30 PM
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a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1

Thank you. I understand, that we all have our individual political differences, but if we're willing to destroy a potentially innocent man for political reasons, then this country deserves everything that's coming. I would say that both the Democrats and Republicans have been playing a strategic games with Kavanagh. The Democrats lose credibility with such flimsy accusations, which only makes the Republicans look like the universal victim. There are much larger forces a play, and our nation cant see it because everyone is busy focusing on one man.



posted on Oct, 6 2018 @ 10:35 PM
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originally posted by: manta78

originally posted by: jacobe001

originally posted by: manta78

originally posted by: jacobe001
a reply to: JBurns

How do elections have consequences when the same swamp monsters are still in power?
What has Trump done about the Corporate and Banking Lobbyists that infest DC?


Who do you think those yet to be unsealed indictments are for?


Again, I will not hold my breath.
We do not need unsealed documents for this since it is open knowledge:

Any yes, all presidents have been beholden to Lobbyists and this needs to F* Stop.


www.opensecrets.org...
Drain the swamp? Lobbyists are filling it up

President Donald Trump promised to drain the swamp. Instead, it’s filling up.

For the first time since 2007, the number of registered lobbyists along with federal lobbying spending each went up, reversing annual declines that began a decade ago.

In all, $3.37 billion was spent on federal lobbying last year, up 7 percent from $3.15 billion in 2016. The increase comes after declines in spending five of the previous six years, rising less than 1 percent the other year.

The 7-percent gain is the largest year-to-year bump since former President George W. Bush’s final year in office in 2008. A crackdown on lobbyists by the Obama administration curtailed years of free spending, which rose from $1.6 billion in 2000 to a record $3.5 billion in 2010.







Trump needed a conservative supreme court majority to deal with draining the swamp. He now has one.

He will deal with the lobbyist's issue and term limits soon. Everything in its own time, and with him certain items always have higher priority levels than others. He has done more in less than 2 years in office on a huge variety of issues that have been in existence (i.e problems) for years, and which are now resolved or are being resolved like NAFTA, NORTH KOREA, FAIR TRADE, VETERAN'S RIGHTS, DERGULATIONS, COAL, ETC.) than numerous prior Presidents and he just gotten started.


Why have lobbyists increased under him then?
www.opensecrets.org...
Drain the swamp? Lobbyists are filling it up

How come Trump took into his administration former lobbyists?
How come Trump has Goldman Sachs, Bilderberg and CFR Members in his cabinet.

The usual retort is, better to have your enemies close.
I don't want these scumbags in the government at all and Trump had that choice.

Trump was a major purchaser of politicians as he admitted.
Why should I believe he is now, not paying them back.

He gives the the top wealthy permanent tax breaks as an example.
He is no better than the last 5 presidents that serve their wealthy clients.

I am not going to carry water for either team nor politicians since they all have proved themselves to be cockroaches.
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posted on Oct, 6 2018 @ 10:58 PM
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originally posted by: jacobe001

originally posted by: manta78

originally posted by: jacobe001

originally posted by: manta78

originally posted by: jacobe001
a reply to: JBurns

How do elections have consequences when the same swamp monsters are still in power?
What has Trump done about the Corporate and Banking Lobbyists that infest DC?


Who do you think those yet to be unsealed indictments are for?


Again, I will not hold my breath.
We do not need unsealed documents for this since it is open knowledge:

Any yes, all presidents have been beholden to Lobbyists and this needs to F* Stop.


www.opensecrets.org...
Drain the swamp? Lobbyists are filling it up

President Donald Trump promised to drain the swamp. Instead, it’s filling up.

For the first time since 2007, the number of registered lobbyists along with federal lobbying spending each went up, reversing annual declines that began a decade ago.

In all, $3.37 billion was spent on federal lobbying last year, up 7 percent from $3.15 billion in 2016. The increase comes after declines in spending five of the previous six years, rising less than 1 percent the other year.

The 7-percent gain is the largest year-to-year bump since former President George W. Bush’s final year in office in 2008. A crackdown on lobbyists by the Obama administration curtailed years of free spending, which rose from $1.6 billion in 2000 to a record $3.5 billion in 2010.







Trump needed a conservative supreme court majority to deal with draining the swamp. He now has one.

He will deal with the lobbyist's issue and term limits soon. Everything in its own time, and with him certain items always have higher priority levels than others. He has done more in less than 2 years in office on a huge variety of issues that have been in existence (i.e problems) for years, and which are now resolved or are being resolved like NAFTA, NORTH KOREA, FAIR TRADE, VETERAN'S RIGHTS, DERGULATIONS, COAL, ETC.) than numerous prior Presidents and he just gotten started.


Why have lobbyists increased under him then?
www.opensecrets.org...
Drain the swamp? Lobbyists are filling it up

How come Trump took into his administration former lobbyists?
How come Trump has Goldman Sachs, Bilderberg and CFR Members in his cabinet.

The usual retort is, better to have your enemies close.
I don't want these scumbags in the government at all and Trump had that choice.

Trump was a major purchaser of politicians as he admitted.
Why should I believe he is now, not paying them back.

He gives the the top wealthy permanent tax breaks as an example.
He is no better than the last 5 presidents that serve their wealthy clients.

I am not going to carry water for either team nor politicians since they all have proved themselves to be cockroaches.


I have basically already answered your question; everything is a matter of priority, and timing. Trump, in almost any situation is like an advanced chess player. He constantly analyzes situations and attempts to think several steps ahead of his opponent. He also learns from people he surrounds himself with, especially in situations that he has not dealt with before, such as not ever having been a President, or a politician for that matter. I would do the same thing if I was in his situation.

Who better knows how lobbyists operate than someone who has extensive experience from the inside? He does not need to pay them back as you state. He had a very comfortable lifestyle before deciding to run. Some of the same people, including lobbyists who used to eagerly take his money now despise him for what he represents, or potentially represents to them or their future. He gave all of us tax breaks, (check the latest, including threads here on ATS, between the tax rates ordinary wage earners paid in 2017, and the considerably reduced 2018 rates that will be seen in returns filed by April of next year, and yes some beneficiaries of those tax breaks are very wealthy...we are a capitalist oriented country, not socialistic as much as the demoncrats want to be. Some are rich, some are middle class and others are poor; that's the way it has always been.

It's ok if you don't want to support either major political party; this is America and you are free to do so.



posted on Oct, 6 2018 @ 11:24 PM
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a reply to: toysforadults

No you weren't a trump supporter, you were a planted dem. Your lefty tendencies gleaned through while you tried to pretend (your hatred for boomers, your economic illiteracy, etc). This operation was exposed 6 months ago. It was a shariablue tactic.

Your non-sequitur at the end shows it "bet you are all patriot act supporters..." That's a dem talking point through and through. In fact the last time they took congress that was the play. Weird. What a coincidence. But no, I don't support the patriot act. Sorry lame a##.



posted on Oct, 7 2018 @ 12:14 AM
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a reply to: Dfairlite

A planted Dem? There are real people on these boards whose opinions change over time, I hope so at least.
edit on 10/7/2018 by 3NL1GHT3N3D1 because: (no reason given)



posted on Oct, 7 2018 @ 12:29 AM
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edit on 7-10-2018 by SourGrapes because: (no reason given)



posted on Oct, 7 2018 @ 12:30 AM
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originally posted by: SourGrapes

originally posted by: theatreboy

Sour grapes?


Yes?




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