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You far right wingers are just as bad the far left

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posted on Oct, 11 2018 @ 08:41 PM

originally posted by: VeritasAequitas
a reply to: Outlier13

I am very familiar with the definition of a shill. But by all means keep trying to ride that high horse chief and let me know how it works out for you.

No, I really don't think you understand the definition of a shill.
But regarding the high's how it worked out for me a few months back. Still riding it and gonna' ride it through 2020 ! MAGA

edit on 11-10-2018 by Outlier13 because: (no reason given)

posted on Oct, 12 2018 @ 10:24 PM

originally posted by: C0bzz
a reply to: AutisticEvo

perhaps then you should encourage the Left to stop insulting us. sounds like it might be healthy


Insults never justify violence. And the threat of violence is intolerable, should be laughed at, and made a mockery of, otherwise further threats of violence and manipulation will follow. The unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims, is what is defined as terrorism.

The United States does not negotiate with terrorists - neither do I.

Yet here you are, the self proclaimed "Leftist Cuck" not critisizing or making a mockery of all the threats, violence and behaviour of Left leaning "Terrorism" or the Politicians encouraging it by not discouraging it.

How profoundly hypocritical on your part, and not surprising that as a leftist you imply "Rules for Thee, Not for me!" Mentality we see so much here.

You should practice what you preach young one

posted on Oct, 14 2018 @ 02:34 AM
There's too much divide and conquer going on, see the topic of political neutrality towards the end of this comment for a counter.

Winning the Battle for Your Mind

... Propaganda! A weapon specially designed to attack, not your body, but your mind.
If you are going to win the battle for your mind, you must recognize the danger that propaganda poses and protect yourself from it.


What is propaganda? In this context, it is the use of biased or misleading information to manipulate the way people think and act. Some equate propaganda with “lies, distortion, deceit, manipulation, mind control, [and] psychological warfare” and associate it with “unethical, harmful, and unfair tactics.”​—Propaganda and Persuasion.

How dangerous is propaganda? It is insidious​—like an invisible, odorless, poisonous gas—​and it seeps into our consciousness. Because we may not see propaganda for what it is, behavior specialist Vance Packard observed: “Many of us are being influenced and manipulated​—far more than we realize.” Under its influence, says one scholar, men and women have been “quite easily led into the most preposterously dangerous behaviour”​—such as ‘genocide, war, racist hysteria, religious intolerance and many other forms of irrational behaviour.’​—Easily Led—​A History of Propaganda.

Jesus gave this simple rule for combating propaganda: “Know the truth, and the truth will set you free.” (John 8:31, 32) But since truth is often the first casualty of war, you​—like any other soldier in the heat of battle—​need a source of trustworthy, reliable information to prevent the enemy from playing tricks with your mind. ... So never be content passively or blindly to accept what you hear. (Prov. 14:15) [whereislogic: also see my signature]

“What Is Truth?”

THAT question was cynically posed to Jesus by the Roman Governor Pontius Pilate. He was not interested in an answer, and Jesus did not give him one. Perhaps Pilate viewed truth as too elusive to grasp.​—John 18:38.

This disdainful attitude toward truth is shared by many today, including religious leaders, educators, and politicians. They hold that truth​—especially moral and spiritual truth—​is not absolute but relative and ever changing.
The statement that prompted Pilate’s question is worth noting. Jesus had said: “For this I have been born, and for this I have come into the world, that I should bear witness to the truth.” (John 18:37) Truth to Jesus was no vague, incomprehensible concept. He promised his disciples: “You will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.”​—John 8:32.

Where can such truth be found? On one occasion, Jesus said in prayer to God: “Your word is truth.” (John 17:17)
Pilate indifferently rejected the opportunity to learn such truth. What about you?

From a mixture of articles:

Use discernment: Discernment is “acuteness of judgment.” It is “the power or faculty of the mind by which it distinguishes one thing from another.” A person with discernment perceives subtleties of ideas or things and has good judgment.

Using discernment, we will be able to recognize those who are merely using “smooth talk and complimentary speech” in order to “seduce the hearts of guileless ones.” (Romans 16:18) Discernment enables you to discard irrelevant information or misleading facts and distinguish the substance of a matter. But how can you discern when something is misleading?

Put information to the test: ... Some people today are like sponges; they soak up whatever they come across. It is all too easy to absorb whatever is around us.

But it is far better for each individual personally to choose what he will feed his mind. It is said that we are what we eat, and this can apply to food for both the body and the mind. No matter what you are reading or watching or listening to, test to see whether it has propagandistic overtones or is truthful.

Moreover, if we want to be fair-minded, we must be willing to subject our own opinions to continual testing as we take in new information. We must realize that they are, after all, opinions. Their trustworthiness depends on the validity of our facts, on the quality of our reasoning, and on the standards or values that we choose to apply.

Political neutrality: While most people may be willing to accept this position in times of peace, they become less tolerant when extraordinary circumstances arise. Often, fear and uncertainty brought on by war arouse strong sentiments of nationalism. This may make it difficult for some to understand why anyone would be reluctant to support popular national movements. True Christians, nevertheless, know that they must obey Jesus’ command to be “no part of the world.” (John 15:19; 17:14-16; 18:36; James 4:4) This requires that they maintain neutrality in political or social matters. Jesus himself set the proper example. Considering his perfect wisdom and outstanding abilities, he could have made a fine contribution to the human affairs of his day. Yet, he refrained from getting involved politically. At the beginning of his ministry, he flatly rejected Satan’s offer of rulership over all the kingdoms of the world. Later, he decisively avoided a draft for political office.​—Matthew 4:8-10; John 6:14, 15.

"11 We have much to say about him, and it is difficult to explain, because you have become dull in your hearing. 12 For although by now you should be teachers, you again need someone to teach you from the beginning the elementary things of the sacred pronouncements of God, and you have gone back to needing milk, not solid food. 13 For everyone who continues to feed on milk is unacquainted with the word of righteousness, for he is a young child. 14 But solid food belongs to mature people, to those who through use have their powers of discernment* [Or “their perceptive powers.”] trained to distinguish both right and wrong." (Heb 5:11-14)

To train your "powers of discernment" and improve your quality of reasoning "through use" and in so doing prepare your mind to combat both right- and leftwing propaganda and politics, you could try this playlist:

Real science, knowledge of realities compared to unverified philosophies and stories
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posted on Oct, 14 2018 @ 04:07 AM

originally posted by: CaliMayh3m

Communism IS fascism. Now, I know that plenty here will argue that they are not the same thing. Fine. I think however, that most of us can agree that they both suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck.

The thing they share is their love, promotion and use* of Nationalism (*: if you're talking about Communist or Fascist propagandists).

Nationalism. One dictionary defines nationalism as “a sense of national consciousness exalting one nation above all others and placing primary emphasis on promotion of its culture and interests as opposed to those of other nations.” Ivo Duchacek, a professor of political science, observed in his book Conflict and Cooperation Among Nations: “Nationalism divides humanity into mutually intolerant units. As a result people think as Americans, Russians, Chinese, Egyptians, or Peruvians first, and as human beings second​—if at all.” A former UN secretary-general wrote: “So many of the problems that we face today are due to, or the result of, false attitudes​—some of them have been adopted almost unconsciously. Among these is the concept of narrow nationalism​—‘my country, right or wrong.’”

Source: Prejudice and Discrimination—Getting to the Roots: Awake! 2009

Anyone playing on people's "sense of national consciousness exalting one nation above all others and placing primary emphasis on promotion of its culture and interests as opposed to those of other nations" below you think?

What about the Democrats, are they cleverly manipulating people's conditioned and indoctrinated nationalistic and patriotic sentiments (as defined under "Nationalism")?

Don't think of Nationalism as somehow being opposed to Globalism. Or a healthy counter vs Globalist propaganda (as depicted by the right-wing Republicans most of the time, like Trump).

Nazi Party - Wikipedia

The party was created as a means to draw workers away from communism and into völkisch nationalism.

Since I brought up Globalism which is connected to the topic of Globalization:
Can Globalization Really Solve Our Problems? Awake!—2002

Is Globalization a Solution?

Like many of mankind’s projects, globalization has proved both useful and harmful. It has brought economic advantages to some, and it has ushered in an era of global communications. Nevertheless, it favors the rich and the powerful over the poor and the needy. And both criminals and disease viruses have exploited the advantages of globalization more efficiently than governments.​—See boxes on pages 8 and 9.

To a large extent, globalization has magnified the problems that already existed in our imperfect world. Rather than offering a solution to the world’s difficulties, it has become part of the problem. Social divisions have become greater, and frustration has mounted. Governments around the world struggle to harness the benefits of globalization while protecting their citizens against its excesses. Will they be successful? Could globalization with a human face be the answer? The following article will analyze these questions.

A Globalization That Will Benefit You
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posted on Oct, 14 2018 @ 10:20 AM
a reply to: toysforadults

...the FBI found nothing on Kav. They found nothing on Trump when they investigated him either.

Schuyler is correct

posted on Oct, 14 2018 @ 10:30 AM
a reply to: toysforadults

But the left are doing the same thing and worse that they were crying about during the election. Instead of showing they are morally superior that they claim they are, they are stooping to the level they supposedly abhor. Instead of rising above the fray, the left are demonstrating hypocrisy at it's finest. Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. Maybe now the right will start demanding safe spaces too, with hot cocoa and coloring books.

posted on Oct, 15 2018 @ 06:05 AM
a reply to: Outlier13

Fortunately for myself, what you think I know or understand is of little consequence or importance to me. Secondly, if you think Trump will 'Make America Great Again' or somehow isn't the poster boy for the Elites/PTB, that he really is, you are either extremely naive or very much a shill. I pray for your sake it's just naivety...That at least is understandable and forgivable...

posted on Oct, 15 2018 @ 07:16 AM
You guys remember when ATS had the motto under the logo? I do. It's not there anymore
You have to go to the about page to find our motto. It's the still under the logo when you choose to join this website. It's our motto. I wish it was branded everywhere on here.

The simple yet effective motto of our membership is "deny ignorance", which signifies an effort to apply the principals of critical thought and peer review to the provocative topics covered within. More than a slogan, our members have embraced the motto as our collective cultural standard, demanding all to aspire to a higher standard. These simple two words have galvanized a broad membership that spans the spectrum from highly speculative conspiracy writers to staunch doubters. The result is a unique collaboration of diverse individuals rallying under this simple statement to learn from each other, discover new truths, and imagine new ideas that expand our minds.

This motto has life. It has purpose. It demands ATS members to think.

It is a state of mind.

It is a sense of purpose.

It is a statement against the paradigm.

It is a rage against the mindless status-quo.

The idea of "deny ignorance" isn't a goal that ATS hopes to accomplish. Instead, it's a challenge. A call to all those who come here to aspire to a higher state of awareness through informed discussion and debate.

Deny ignorance is what we do.

It's how we think. It's how we talk. It's how we listen.

Ignorance is the social disease of history. Is the evil that men do, the reason history repeats, and the cause of intolerance.

We deny it. it's not welcome here. Within these boundaries, it has no strength.

Here, ignorance is denied.

This has become a very different site than the one I used to lurk on for years before joining. This site no longer feels like one that denies ignorance. It honestly feels like a pit of confirmation bias. Sadly, I believe it has become just like any other social media website. People post pictures on Instagram and when they see that someone hearted their post they get a dopamine kick. Feel like ATS has become nothing different, just substitute the hearts for stars.

I think a huge problem with this site is that the one liner rule is not implemented at all. Users are constantly dropping posts with a singe line that has no substance, as if this were a youtube comment section.

The very first reply to this thread was two words and at this moment has +47 stars. He made a one liner which against the standard of this website and he has +47 stars. Do you see how that should be a problem? Sure he got a nice little dopamine feel from all those stars, but it did nothing for the thread.

It's been hard to watch happen. It really hurts to see this website, one I started coming to as a teen, a website that shaped my teenage mind with amazing ideas, degrade into what it is today. I don't post often because the content has changed so much, but when I do I will try to be the change I want to see. Hope you guys have a nice night.

posted on Oct, 15 2018 @ 11:45 PM

originally posted by: VeritasAequitas
a reply to: Outlier13

Fortunately for myself, what you think I know or understand is of little consequence or importance to me.

Yet, here you are. LOL. It's ok if you care. The human ego is oh so fragile.

Secondly, if you think Trump will 'Make America Great Again'

You must have been asleep for the last 20 months. That great American Trump train is chugging right along taking even the naysayers along for the ride regardless if they want it or not. Just because you choose to ignore facts doesn't make them go away. You do know there is a phrase for this right? It's called, "Living in denial."

posted on Oct, 16 2018 @ 07:27 AM
The difference between the Right and Left:

The Right knows what they are defending.

The Left doesn't know what they are even fighting for anymore, just that they are against POTUS no matter what.

posted on Oct, 18 2018 @ 04:16 PM
a reply to: Outlier13

What 'Great Trump train'? The one where he just negotiated a 100 Billion dollar arms deal with Saudi Arabia, one of the largest violators of human rights in the world, and who supplied 14 of the 19 hijackers from 9/11 attacks? Oooookay... Or the huge tax cut that Republicans gave to themselves and the rich, while screwing the middle and lower class; and then have the audacity to complain about the deficit. To which their solution is to gut social security and medicare for the elderly.... You absolutely right... Trump is making America 'great again'.....If you're rich and make over 150k a year that is...

And you must be confused big guy; me commenting here or replying, in no way implies that I actually care one iota of what you think or feel about me personally...

My man reaching at straws that aren't even in the cup...
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posted on Oct, 18 2018 @ 04:18 PM
a reply to: lucidclouds

Facts mate. I remember when 'Deny Ignorance' was the motto here as well, and yet now all I see is a lot of 'Confirm Ignorance'....

posted on Oct, 24 2018 @ 04:59 AM
a reply to: whereislogic
The Dangers of Patriotism - video playlist

Patriotism and Religious Freedom - 1962

AT TIMES of national crisis and international tension governments step up programs that are designed to rally the support of the populace. Patriotic ceremonies are urged in the public schools, and the national anthem is frequently played. Yet it is at such a time, when nations are ready to fight to maintain their freedom, that they are most prone to trample underfoot within their own borders the liberties that they seek to preserve. It is a dangerous time. “One of the reasons why our times are dangerous,” as pointed out by historian Arnold Toynbee, “is that we have all been taught to worship our nation, our flag, our own past history.”

Anyone who does not join in giving expression to such veneration of the nation, regardless of his reason, is viewed with suspicion. Patriots may denounce his conduct as disrespectful, even dangerous to the welfare of the State. Such was the lot of the early Christians. Far from being a menace to the State, they were outstandingly law-abiding. Yet they could not conscientiously participate in the patriotic rites of the Roman Empire. In commenting on the matter, The Book of Culture says: “The Christians, however, strong in their faith, would take no such oath of loyalty. And because they did not swear allegiance to what we would to-day consider as analogous to the Flag, they were considered politically dangerous.”

The position of Jehovah’s witnesses today is the same as that of the early Christians. They, too, are well reported on by the authorities of the land because they lead clean lives and obey the laws. But they do not participate in patriotic ceremonies. For this some speak evil of them and stir up opposition to them, as the Romans did to the early Christians. Others, inclined to take a more tolerant view of the situation, nevertheless wonder why Jehovah’s witnesses take the stand they do. After all, what objection could there be to saluting the national flag?


You can either keep on reading there or go back to the link at the start of this comment, which covers the subject of mandatory saluting of the flag along with reciting the pledge of allegiance and firing teachers who refuse to go along with the brainwashing (pardon the subtly racist title of this video), and worse behaviour as a result of patriotism (which is only a small step away from my earlier mentioned nationalism, you don't become a nationalist without becoming a patriot first):

And because I really do not want people to ignore the first video linked in this comment (it's more important than the one above), I'll link it the other way as well (I wanted to change the title to mention the patriotism involved in the behaviour of those engaging in acts of tarring and feathering and castration of those who they despise for refusing to become patriots, refusing allegiance to the State, refusing having their kids brainwashed with the pledge of allegiance and refusing to salute the flag to prepare people for nationalism by making them more patriotic; it's all connected in spite of all media efforts to attempt to seperate patriotism from nationalism, as if one is OK or harmless and the other is not, don't be fooled, and don't fool yourself, you're still being played):

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posted on Oct, 24 2018 @ 09:03 AM
Actually, "patriotism" and "nationalism" are counted as synonyms. A synonym is "one of two or more words or expressions of the same language that have the same or nearly the same meaning in some or all senses" (source: Merriam-Webster's dictionary). I would still say that patriotism is a preparatory step towards nationalism, especially if one defines nationalism as defined in one of my comments before, and patriotism as defined in the thesaurus below (a general broad definition, much more inclusive than nationalism):

love of one's country

Synonyms for patriotism


Source: Patriotism Synonyms, Patriotism Antonyms |

So in this case it's counted as a synonym because it has "nearly the same meaning in some ... senses". This definition for patriotism is a bit simplistic or basic though. Most forms of patriotism have a bit more to it and it's exactly this area of thinking and behaviour that gets closer and closer to a nationalistic ideology as defined earlier under "nationalism".

This information relates to what I said earlier: salute the flag to prepare people for nationalism by making them more patriotic; it's all connected in spite of all media efforts to attempt to seperate patriotism from nationalism, as if one is OK or harmless and the other is not, don't be fooled, and don't fool yourself, you're still being played)

Nationalism, called by the weekly magazine Asiaweek “the Last Ugly Ism,” is one of the unchanging factors that continues to provoke hatred and bloodshed. That magazine stated: “If pride in being a Serb means hating a Croat, if freedom for an Armenian means revenge on a Turk, if independence for a Zulu means subjugating a Xhosa and democracy for a Romanian means expelling a Hungarian, then nationalism has already put on its ugliest face.”

We are reminded of what Albert Einstein once said: “Nationalism is an infantile disease. It is the measles of mankind.” Nearly everybody gets it at one time or another, and it continues to spread. Back in 1946, British historian Arnold Toynbee wrote: “Patriotism . . . has very largely superseded Christianity as the religion of the Western World.”

Source: Our Changing World—Where Is It Headed? Awake!—1993

In a flurry of published information celebrating Albert Einstein’s centennial, news columnist Joseph Kraft wrote concerning Einstein’s views on nationalism: “[Einstein] set an example in renouncing nationalism. ‘I never identified myself with any particular country,’ he once wrote.

Similarly, in a letter to the editor of Bombay’s “Indian Express” newspaper, an Indian man stated: “I do not believe in patriotism. It is an opium innovated by the politicians to serve their ugly ends. It is for their prosperity. It is for their betterment. It is for their aggrandizement. It is never for the country. It is never for the nation. It is never never for common men and women like you and I. . . . This sinister politician-invented wall shall divide man from man​—and brother from brother; till one day it shall bring about man’s doom by man. Patriotism or nationalism, to my mind, is an idiotic exercise in artificial loyalty. . . . I take no hypocritical pride in being petty this or that. I belong to mankind.”


My Indian brother, whoever you are.
Wise words that nicely sum up all the warnings in the bible about this subject and applies them to a modern setting or in a modern political context that is compatible with the title of this thread (especially once one properly identifies what's so "bad" about "far right wingers" and "the far left").
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