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Palu Disaster : Are 300 000 people gone ?

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posted on Oct, 11 2018 @ 03:40 PM
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At this point it's pretty obvious that the main stream media are moving towards burying the reality .


I wondered if you'd go down the "Media will for no reason lie about official #s although it's never been done before, and serves no purpose" route. And... you did.

Why would they try to bury the truth? MSM simply LOVES disaster. So they can MAKE OMG DISASTER EYE-DRAWING ATTENTION TO THEIR SITE!! type of news captions. Local government wants the truth out there so they can get aid. It serves no purpose at all for the media to lie or misreport natural disaster numbers.

Why do you propose they would lie about this? Bury it? Ignore it? Makes no sense.
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posted on Oct, 12 2018 @ 09:50 AM
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"Dead City" .... "Worst case scenario" .... I'd have said lying if I'd meant lying ... but I said 'burying the reality" .
If they wanted show the scale they may have used the footage from the AML ship , but tbh that footage would scare the # out of people, and be too much for the vulnerable and children . It's been discussed within this and previous threads if you realised what was going on there compared to the level of the land you would understand that the death toll is very high

You have a very over-simplified and plainly wrong view of the realities of media response to natural disasters . Read this linked article for example - which leaves the subject we're left discussing (reporting of true scales of losses) entirely alone , but it's worth a read .


This article focuses on these and other issues in the study of media and disasters. Specifically, it explores the role of disaster journalism and the impact of globalization on transnational media flows and disaster representations. It addresses the notion that a particular “media logic” shapes, in deep and profound ways, our understanding of disaster events.


naturalhazardscience.oxf... ordre.com/view/10.1093/acrefore/9780199389407.001.0001/acrefore-9780199389407-e-21
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Here is a large part of the reason that this tsunami has been underestimated and under-reported . You are reminded that
1. tsunamis are common, and very dangerous indeed when they do occur
2. the city of Palu was entirely prone to tsunami and was built on flat plane created by previous tsunamis
3. many other cities worldwide are built in places prone to tsunami , in fact , tsunami are what has shaped the inland landscapes below 200metres , worldwide .
4. point 3 above is both disputed and secretized information , however it is very basic to correct geographical understanding .


How big, how often, and where from? This is almost a mantra for researchers trying to understand tsunami hazard and risk. What we do know is that events such as the 2004 Indian Ocean Tsunami (2004 IOT) caught scientists by surprise, largely because there was no “research memory” of past events for that region, and as such, there was no hazard awareness, no planning, no risk assessment, and no disaster risk reduction. Forewarned is forearmed, but to be in that position, we have to be able to understand the evidence left behind by past events—palaeootsunamis—and to have at least some inkling of what generated them. While the 2004 IOT was a devastating wake-up call for science, we need to bear in mind that palaeotsunami research was still in its infancy at the time. What we now see is still a comparatively new discipline that is practiced worldwide, but as the “new kid on the block,” there are still many unknowns. What we do know is that in many cases, there is clear evidence of multiple palaeotsunamis generated by a variety of source mechanisms. There is a suite of proxy data—a toolbox, if you will—that can be used to identify a palaeotsunami deposit in the sedimentary record.

Things are never quite as simple as they sound, though, and there are strong divisions within the research community as to whether one can really differentiate between a palaeotsunami and a palaeostorm deposit, and whether proxies as such are the way to go. As the discipline matures, though, many of these issues are being resolved, and indeed we have now arrived at a point where we have the potential to detect “invisible deposits” laid down by palaeotsunamis once they have run out of sediment to lay down as they move inland.

As such, we are on the brink of being able to better understand the full extent of inundation by past events, a valuable tool in gauging the magnitude of palaeotsunamis. Palaeotsunami research is multidisciplinary, and as such, it is a melting pot of different scientific perspectives, which leads to rapid innovations. Basically, whatever is associated with modern events may be reflected in prehistory. Also, palaeotsunamis are often part of a landscape response pushed beyond an environmental threshold from which it will never fully recover, but that leaves indelible markers for us to read. In some cases, we do not even need to find a palaeotsunami deposit to know that one happened.



posted on Oct, 17 2018 @ 08:54 AM
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You have a very over-simplified and plainly wrong view of the realities of media response to natural disasters .


yet you cannot answer what they ask when they pointed out this "over simplified and plain wrong view" of theirs,



Why?


it was very sound logic that you seem to dismiss

Here I will quote what fleabit asked and suggested the media and governments do in these situations.

they posted this at the top of this page




Why would they try to bury the truth? MSM simply LOVES disaster. So they can MAKE OMG DISASTER EYE-DRAWING ATTENTION TO THEIR SITE!! type of news captions. Local government wants the truth out there so they can get aid. It serves no purpose at all for the media to lie or misreport natural disaster numbers. Why do you propose they would lie about this? Bury it? Ignore it? Makes no sense.




then you respond to that post with




"Dead City" .... "Worst case scenario" .... I'd have said lying if I'd meant lying ... but I said 'burying the reality" .


Yes and they asked why would the media bury it based on the sound logical ideas they put forth that show why the media and government would do the exact opposite of what you claim and bury it?



 
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