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According to the Associated Press, the sheriff's office says Hopkins fired on deputies investigating alleged sexual assault of a child by another person. The AP says officers were trying to serve a warrant involving an accusation that a 27-year-old person at the home sexually assaulted a foster child in the home. The AP also reports 74-year-old Hopkins is a disbarred lawyer, charged with disorderly conduct in 2014.
originally posted by: Lagomorphe
I have been scratching my nogging about this random search warrant thing too.
I found this if it can be of any help? :
There are times when police can perform a search without a warrant, and most searches actually do occur without warrants being issued.
Exemption 4 – Exigent Circumstances: If the police feel that the time it would take to get a warrant would jeopardize public safety or lead to the loss of evidence, they can perform a search without a warrant. For example, the police can forcibly enter a home if it is probable that evidence is being destroyed, if a suspect is trying to escape, or if someone is being injured. The police officer's responsibility to preserve evidence, arrest a suspect, or protect an individual outweighs the search warrant requirement.
Full information is here : www.legalzoom.com...
There is a whole ton of information for search and seizure laws by state for the USA here :
resources.lawinfo.com...
I know that there are some members here who are LEO so maybe they could also enlighten us?
Kindest respects
Lags
a reply to: odzeandennz
originally posted by: karmicecstasy
According to the Associated Press, the sheriff's office says Hopkins fired on deputies investigating alleged sexual assault of a child by another person. The AP says officers were trying to serve a warrant involving an accusation that a 27-year-old person at the home sexually assaulted a foster child in the home. The AP also reports 74-year-old Hopkins is a disbarred lawyer, charged with disorderly conduct in 2014.
LINK
Where is the 27 year old they were originally looking for? The shooter was 74 years old and was not even the guy they were looking for. Just weird all around.
originally posted by: DigginFoTroof
How can so many of you jump to conclusions about the "suspect" who was being served? How many times have we seen or heard stories where LE says they were fired at first, only for the opposite to be true - or stories like Ruby Ridge where the guy was set up and entraped by ATF b/c they didn't like the guy.
Just b/c the guy had overwhelming fire power doesn't mean that LE didn't do anything wrong. To call out the "victim" (I don't know what to call the guy who was being served the warrant... maybe "person of interest" or "person to be arrested"??) as the sole instigator of the incident before we hear the story seems callous. Maybe he had a family there and they did one of those "no knock" breach entries. I can see how something like that could lead to a blood bath if the man thought he had to protect his family or even himself.
This forum/site sure is a bit odd. people complain and moan about not having personal freedoms and when things happen where there isn't any clear information about what happened, why, or who initiated, it seems that LE gets the benefit of the doubt most of the time, when we have more threads than can be counted that say "never trust the police" and that the police can legally lie to you and they are trained to do so. Let's not even get started on all the dirty cops that have been busted recently planting evidence, drugs, etc or that cowboy captain down in Georgia that ordered his officer to kill the driver of the pickup truck pulling the trailer of lawncare equipment that was initiated from a simple traffic violation.
This is in no way to say that I'm happy anyone was hurt, not in the least, but the comments on here are pretty cold hearted when we don't even know what happened or who provoked what.
originally posted by: Lagomorphe
originally posted by: DigginFoTroof
I will just leave this with you Dig :
148 police officers killed in their line of duty in 2018 in the USA and this will be now 150 when the below site is updated.
Most of them were shot or assaulted.
Check this site out :
www.odmp.org...
Kindest regards
Lags
originally posted by: Lagomorphe
ooohhh stop it.
I explained why further up.
a reply to: Boadicea
originally posted by: Lagomorphe
originally posted by: DigginFoTroof
How can so many of you jump to conclusions about the "suspect" who was being served? How many times have we seen or heard stories where LE says they were fired at first, only for the opposite to be true - or stories like Ruby Ridge where the guy was set up and entraped by ATF b/c they didn't like the guy.
Just b/c the guy had overwhelming fire power doesn't mean that LE didn't do anything wrong. To call out the "victim" (I don't know what to call the guy who was being served the warrant... maybe "person of interest" or "person to be arrested"??) as the sole instigator of the incident before we hear the story seems callous. Maybe he had a family there and they did one of those "no knock" breach entries. I can see how something like that could lead to a blood bath if the man thought he had to protect his family or even himself.
This forum/site sure is a bit odd. people complain and moan about not having personal freedoms and when things happen where there isn't any clear information about what happened, why, or who initiated, it seems that LE gets the benefit of the doubt most of the time, when we have more threads than can be counted that say "never trust the police" and that the police can legally lie to you and they are trained to do so. Let's not even get started on all the dirty cops that have been busted recently planting evidence, drugs, etc or that cowboy captain down in Georgia that ordered his officer to kill the driver of the pickup truck pulling the trailer of lawncare equipment that was initiated from a simple traffic violation.
This is in no way to say that I'm happy anyone was hurt, not in the least, but the comments on here are pretty cold hearted when we don't even know what happened or who provoked what.
I will just leave this with you Dig :
148 police officers killed in their line of duty in 2018 in the USA and this will be now 150 when the below site is updated.
Most of them were shot or assaulted.
Check this site out :
www.odmp.org...
Kindest regards
Lags
FLORENCE, S.C. (AP) — A Vietnam veteran who bragged online about maintaining his target-shooting skills was being held Thursday in the shooting of seven law enforcement officers, one of whom died, as deputies tried to serve a search warrant at his home. Authorities said Frederick Hopkins opened fire on the deputies from inside the home and held children hostage while shooting long-range at other officers who rushed to the suburban neighborhood. The sheriff department's armored personnel carrier was brought in to recover the wounded during Wednesday's two-hour standoff, and the shooter finally released the children as he was taken into custody, authorities sa
Boone credited his department's military equipment for enabling them to pull the wounded from the field of fire. "Thanks to our MRAP, armored personnel carrier, we made sure all the officers that were shot were protected and brought for medical attention," he said.
Equipment and mentality escalated this far beyond what was required.
originally posted by: Shamrock6
a reply to: EternalShadow
Equipment and mentality escalated this far beyond what was required.
How is that?
originally posted by: DigginFoTroof
How can so many of you jump to conclusions about the "suspect" who was being served? How many times have we seen or heard stories where LE says they were fired at first, only for the opposite to be true - or stories like Ruby Ridge where the guy was set up and entraped by ATF b/c they didn't like the guy.
Just b/c the guy had overwhelming fire power doesn't mean that LE didn't do anything wrong. To call out the "victim" (I don't know what to call the guy who was being served the warrant... maybe "person of interest" or "person to be arrested"??) as the sole instigator of the incident before we hear the story seems callous. Maybe he had a family there and they did one of those "no knock" breach entries. I can see how something like that could lead to a blood bath if the man thought he had to protect his family or even himself.
This forum/site sure is a bit odd. people complain and moan about not having personal freedoms and when things happen where there isn't any clear information about what happened, why, or who initiated, it seems that LE gets the benefit of the doubt most of the time, when we have more threads than can be counted that say "never trust the police" and that the police can legally lie to you and they are trained to do so. Let's not even get started on all the dirty cops that have been busted recently planting evidence, drugs, etc or that cowboy captain down in Georgia that ordered his officer to kill the driver of the pickup truck pulling the trailer of lawncare equipment that was initiated from a simple traffic violation.
This is in no way to say that I'm happy anyone was hurt, not in the least, but the comments on here are pretty cold hearted when we don't even know what happened or who provoked what.
originally posted by: EternalShadow
a reply to: BigDave-AR
The question is WHY do cops need a MRAP in the first place? Because of situations like this??
Is there a proliferation of automatic weapons?
Are civilians better at assault these days?
There's absolutely no need to militarize the police as this very scenario shows.
Equipment and mentality escalated this far beyond what was required.
originally posted by: Shamrock6
a reply to: EternalShadow
That's all pretty abstract and irrelevant, to be honest. None of it applies to this situation. That cop wasn't murdered because his agency has an MRAP. I don't think any officer answers a shots fired call, an officer down call, a signal 13, a 10-13, a 10-33, or any other emergency assistance call and thinks "well my agency has an MRAP so I can just go big-dick this call."
Equipment and tactics evolve along with society. Cops carried revolvers, up until the Miami shoot-out definitively demonstrated that revolvers are inferior guns in a gunfight. Cops never carried rifles, up until North Hollywood definitively demonstrated that handguns and shotguns are inferior when faced with an assailant that has a rifle and the distance to use it. Cops always set up a perimeter and contained a situation until SWAT arrived, right up until Columbine definitively demonstrated the need for officers to be trained to immediately interdict an active shooter.
The list goes on and on. No, patrol officers don't need up-armored Humvees and MRAPs. Armored vehicles do, as was demonstrated here, provide a means to rescue people from a hot zone.
That cop was murdered because of the MRAP.
Do you honestly believe the police agencies nationwide upgrading their equipment and tactics militarily would not garner a more aggressive response by the citizens they train to 'dominate'?
No. They are not approachable.
Listen to your own terminology, either you're a cop, ex-military or very well conditioned and acceptive of this.
"Hot zone"??? Really? This isn't the middle east, this is America...WITH CIVILIANS not combat insurgents!!
Because of a few high profile shootouts
the WHOLE nation has been militarized and every person is considered an enemy combatant until 'cleared'
Nothing heroic about it at all.