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Yet another rape/sexual assault proven false

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posted on Oct, 2 2018 @ 02:08 PM
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a reply to: JBurns



Question #4)

Does anyone know how DUKE LACROSSE has been doing after THEY got accused???




posted on Oct, 2 2018 @ 02:56 PM
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originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: JBurns

... the numerous studies that show only a very tiny percentage of allegations are false?

What a crock of assbutt.

Riddle me this, Captain Studies--if only about 35% of claimed rapes are even reported, and only about 7% of that total get a conviction, how can you say with a presumably straight face that "only a very tiny percentage of allegations are false?"

(you can't, with any certainty, say that)

And from my professional experience as a paralegal, more often than not the allegations were either uncorroborated claims or absolute false allegations, so don't give us this un-linked claim about tiny percentages and whatnot. If you actually have any experience in the legal field, you would understand exactly why your claim is crap.



posted on Oct, 2 2018 @ 03:05 PM
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Unless the victim instantly goes to the police or hospital after being raped, there is no proof. If someone gropes you while no one is around, that's sexual assault and there is no proof. What proof do you want these people to put forth, when there is none? Should these crimes go unpunished? According to you, yes.



posted on Oct, 2 2018 @ 03:21 PM
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originally posted by: LordAhriman
Unless the victim instantly goes to the police or hospital after being raped, there is no proof. If someone gropes you while no one is around, that's sexual assault and there is no proof. What proof do you want these people to put forth, when there is none? Should these crimes go unpunished? According to you, yes.


Yes. In that instance, they should go unpunished. As I said, convicting even one innocent person is far worse than allowing a trillion guilty parties to walk free. Anything else makes our system of justice a farce, a kangaroo court based merely on words from someone's mouth. In all cases of false conviction/imprisonment/execution, if the system had merely properly observed due process and observed evidentiary requirements they wouldn't have happened (instead of the usual defacto burden being whatever the under-informed jury says it is)

My advice? Go immediately to the police/hospital or accept the consequences of that. Don't expect the justice system to bend to you just because you didn't feel like reporting the crime. Everyone knows the rules of our justice system - we are evidence based, not faith based. Are you advocating for faith based justice/government? Surely not. Surely.

You can't blame people when they universally reject your allegations until they're supported by actual evidence.

The burden of proof is actively (and will forever be) on the accuser. Evidence or it never happened, that simple. There is no other option, no other scenario and no exceptions. No man or woman's words are gospel, and taking them as such would be the most intolerable form of tyranny. Why, any person who sheds some crocodile tears and tells a good story could ruin someone or even cause them to lose their liberties.


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posted on Oct, 2 2018 @ 03:33 PM
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A whole lot can be learned about society by reading banned books and figuring out why they were banned. One in particular banned from public reading in public schools has something along the lines of “Thou shalt not bear false witness” in it. Kinda says it all when you look at the general acceptance and rejection of ideas from that book along political lines overall.

Three or four generations now since its exile in public schools?



posted on Oct, 2 2018 @ 03:43 PM
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a reply to: Ahabstar

Ahabstar, it is terrible to see the book burning BS


So many valuable topics like civics, government, Constitutional history, ethics, morals, being a good upstanding citizen, working hard, exceptionalism, manifest destiny, self-determination and the importance of a cohesive American cultural ID have all been replaced in public schools by globalism, multiculturalism, socialism, communism, etc. hegel, marx and alinsky have replaced Washington, Jefferson, Madison, Franklin, Hamilton and other American icons of actual importance

Why require civics, government or citizenship in High Schools when they can mandate students learn a foreign language or identity different types of art or music. To be sure, those things are at least marginally important but not anywhere near the importance of teaching our young generations to be good American Constitution loving flag saluting patriots


Fortunately, it is not too late for the course of US education to be turned around. It is important we have schools for high performing students in order to ensure the less intellectually able are not holding back our best and our brightest. Public schools teach conformity, obedience and create blind followers. But we need a nation of capable and responsible thinkers, leaders and doers - not followers, not conformers and not those who will stand in line and goosestep to the authoritarian left's despicable policies



posted on Oct, 2 2018 @ 03:46 PM
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Probably not much compared to the number of false drug convictions.



posted on Oct, 2 2018 @ 03:50 PM
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originally posted by: LordAhriman
Unless the victim instantly goes to the police or hospital after being raped, there is no proof. If someone gropes you while no one is around, that's sexual assault and there is no proof. What proof do you want these people to put forth, when there is none? Should these crimes go unpunished? According to you, yes.


Absolutely.

If I "came out" tomorrow and claimed that bill gates groped me in 1985, should he be convicted of sexual assault?
What If I could prove we were in the same room in 1994 and suddenly decided to take him to court for rape?

I'm all for punishing criminals, but you can't just punish people because other people say they're criminals. How many people in the US do you think would be willing to lie under oath to get their way?
What about to get a suitcase full of cash?



posted on Oct, 2 2018 @ 03:54 PM
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originally posted by: roadgravel
Probably not much compared to the number of false drug convictions.


Are you attempting to draw a moral equivalency? I think any sort of false conviction is a problem, not just drug or sex related false accusations/convictions. To be blunt, it simply shows that somewhere somehow someone didn't bother to observe mandatory due process and presumptive innocence. They did not properly hold that specific accuser accountable by ensuring they met their burden of proof required to convict. Problem is, these low brow public employees are the reason the farce even exists to begin with.

The system itself is designed intelligently, provided human beings don't make mistakes and actually take the time to properly understand things. But given the extreme volume of criminal cases (including questionable - Constitution wise - plea bargains) it is hardly a surprise the overall quality of the system itself has decreased tremendously.

From forced hiring "equal opportunity" to "blow-taxpayer-money-and-pay-employees-less" Government jobs no longer attract the best and the brightest, generally speaking. This is a problem, one remedied only by observing the original Constitution by the letter and ensuring no person is held to account for a crime unless and until appropriate evidentiary standards are met by the accuser. Also, forgoing polygraph testing for IQ testing would yield infinitely superior results. Given the amount of money taxpayers pump into this bloated government, we frankly deserve only the absolute best when it comes to that same government using our money/our power/our authority to hold us accountable to its charges in a court of law

..and allowing any sort of prosecution (or even accusation) to move forward without evidence is a most severe form of tyranny.



posted on Oct, 2 2018 @ 03:56 PM
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originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: JBurns

So you're going to base for views on sexual assault allegations on one anecdote as opposed to the numerous studies that show only a very tiny percentage of allegations are false?

And people wonder why most sexual assault victims don't report their attack.


show us that biased studies of yours you and your four on one feminist avatar
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posted on Oct, 2 2018 @ 04:06 PM
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There are people whose seem to claim large number of false sexual accusations. I believe that number is lower compared issues with other crimes.

How many are in prison who didn't actually commit rape? We have seen numerous proved innocent via DNA not a match to theirs.

Of course no false accusations or false convictions are right.



posted on Oct, 2 2018 @ 04:10 PM
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Wasn't there an episode on the Twilight zone (not the originals, or possibly one of those paranormal shows) where a woman was raped, and she saw a guy on the street and insisted it was her attacker until finally the husband decided to take matters into his own hands, kills the guy and then 10 mins down the road the wife "sees" her attacker again.

There has to be more than just an accusation to make certain the accused is guilty, so far with Kavenaugh all we have is he said she said.
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posted on Oct, 2 2018 @ 04:12 PM
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I will say false allegations happen more than we would like to admit. Women just like men can have things that can and do motivate them to lie. Could be politics, religion or to avoid shame or even revenge.

As a country we can't get rid of the one thing the constitution guranteed us. Above all else humans have the right to a fair trial. It was so important we have the 4th through the 8th amendment protecting our rights to a fair trial.

All humans are innoscent until proven guilty it never works the other way around. Trying to have someone prove their innocence would never work. You can never prove you didn't do something think about it. Even if you had an alibi you could pay someone to do it for you.

If we get to the point where accusations are accepted as truths we have lost the one freedom that separated Americans from many third world countries.

Women do indeed lie why? Simple they are human and have all those nasty emotions that we all must deal with. I will say this i had a woman that almost cost me a job claiming i sexually harassed her. I won't get into a lot of detail but let me say she wanted me to change a grade my refusal brought charges.


Here is another case where those nasty emotions led to false charges.


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posted on Oct, 2 2018 @ 04:19 PM
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I couldn't agree more roadgravel
It is a travesty that even a single person is sitting behind bars false convicted or facing criminal charges resulting from false allegations

I have just seen too many shortcuts and too many people who were so damn unqualified to be working anywhere near someone else's liberties/freedom. Our founders had it right when they declared that depriving an individual of their individual rights or liberties is the most serious act a government can undertake (paraphrasing) and therefore deserves the most protections




posted on Oct, 2 2018 @ 04:22 PM
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If we get to the point where accusations are accepted as truths we have lost the one freedom that separated Americans from many third world countries.


No doubt about that dr


We would lose the one remaining purpose our government has, positioning it in such a way as to make King George's tyranny appear as mere infractions.


We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.





posted on Oct, 2 2018 @ 04:34 PM
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I have just seen too many shortcuts and too many people who were so damn unqualified to be working anywhere near someone else's liberties/freedom.


And it becomes difficult to change.



posted on Oct, 2 2018 @ 05:29 PM
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No doubt about that



Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed.


A lot of truth in this passage. In many ways, it accurately conveys my feelings RE: electing Trump. I know the left likes to drone on about complaining conservative men and conservatives in general really, but his election was not merely "right wing outrage/middle class anger" nor was it solely the result of some sort of angst. It was nothing less than a total rebuke of Obama and the last hundred or so years of our country being sold out by political prostitutes



posted on Oct, 2 2018 @ 05:35 PM
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That isn't one anecdote , first of all, it was 4 people's lives. and secondly false accusations happen all the time. Think of the duke lacrosse scandal. We live in a nation of laws and presumption of innocence must be given to the accused. Evidence is needed. I thought the left used to believe that it was better to let 10 guilty people walk then to lock up 1 innocent person. I guess that only applies to other liberals?



posted on Oct, 2 2018 @ 05:52 PM
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And it doesn't even have to be as sinister as lying. It could be as legitimate as mistaken identity, or bad memory.

www.scientificamerican.com...

Believe it or not people are not perfect or infallible.

behdad.org...

Your brain "fills in" and makes up a large part of your reality, which is why eyewitnesses (including the victim) are highly unreliable, which is why there has to be evidence. I used to be law enforcement and we hated when there were eyewitnesses.



posted on Oct, 2 2018 @ 06:10 PM
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a reply to: JBurns

One action I don't agree with is prosecutors who get their mind set on a person as guilty then use emotion and circumstantial evidence to get a conviction. How jurors go along with this shocks me.




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