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The Kinzhal Is Simply Shocking In Its Capabilities

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posted on Oct, 2 2018 @ 01:53 AM
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This, most likely based on the famed Iskander airframe, M=10+ capable, highly maneuverable, aero-ballistic missile with a range of 2000 kilometers, carried by MiG-31BMs, just rewrote the book on naval warfare. It made large surface fleets and combatants obsolete.
www.unz.com...


The unmistakable conclusion: most US military spending is the welfare state with epaulets. It pays for weapons, bases, and personnel whose uselessness would be revealed within half an hour after a non-nuclear war with Russia began. We have no conventional defenses against Russia’s new weaponry.
straightlinelogic.com...

A previous Kinzhal thread got one flag. www.abovetopsecret.com... ATS members seem not too bothered.


As mike says, these things overfly our air defenses and underfly our space defenses. In the case of an intercontinental ballistic missile launch you get about 20 minutes warning to do something about it. With one of these air launched boost-glide weapons, you would get about 5 minutes.




. . . no modern . . . air-defense system deployed today by any NATO fleet can intercept even a single missile with such characteristics.
www.unz.com...

Can the weapons experts give us a clear view of the capabilities of this missile and the effective defences against it.




posted on Oct, 2 2018 @ 02:05 AM
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It is an impressive weapons system but the problem still comes down to finding and targeting the naval vessels, also all radar guided missiles are going to want to go for the biggest return on the radar, so there’s always that ole radar decoy trick were you have a towed vessel with a giant radar reflector that makes too inviting of a target and the missile just blows through let’s say a big Mylar balloon with no harm to the fleet (best case scenario of course). I think this is a good excuse to get a proper LAWS system up and running and fleet wide for defense. IIRC we used this technique back during the Iran Iraq war when oil shipments were being harassed by ASMs.



posted on Oct, 2 2018 @ 02:11 AM
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a reply to: Kester

Oh, another wonder weapon that'll make surface ships obsolete.

But you've still got that same ol' problem of first finding them, not as easy as some would have you believe...oceans are big places. Then there's the additional issue of that bunch of ships will be shooting back, they also have defensive counter-measures that will come into play.

No doubt it's a very impressive weapon system, but no system is invincible, as you may be sure that equally smart guys and gals are busily thinking of ways to defeat it.



posted on Oct, 2 2018 @ 02:29 AM
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a reply to: seagull

Has anyone tested the balloon and the shooting back? They've allegedly tested the launching bit. I particularly abhor military folks being left ignorant and dumped in the snip. If I was going to set foot on a navy vessel I'd have to be properly informed first.



posted on Oct, 2 2018 @ 02:37 AM
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High powered microwave weapon systems are on the horizon for naval ships. They don’t destroy missiles they just fry their electronics.

I agree with Seagull.

When someone designs the ultimate weapon. Someone else is designing the ultimate ultimate weapon.



posted on Oct, 2 2018 @ 02:48 AM
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originally posted by: Kester
a reply to: seagull

Has anyone tested the balloon and the shooting back? They've allegedly tested the launching bit. I particularly abhor military folks being left ignorant and dumped in the snip. If I was going to set foot on a navy vessel I'd have to be properly informed first.

Why yes actually in my post I said that the method has been used with success....
www.upi.com...

There’s also many other chaff/decoy techniques that are much more sophisticated I was just stating a nice easy example of spoofing radar (or any guided) ASMs.



posted on Oct, 2 2018 @ 03:02 AM
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a reply to: BigDave-AR

Tested specifically against the Kinzhal?


When someone designs the ultimate weapon. Someone else is designing the ultimate ultimate weapon.



posted on Oct, 2 2018 @ 03:08 AM
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a reply to: Fallingdown

My experience of microwave weapons is they rarely perform as advertised. So many uncontrollable factors.
edit on 2 10 2018 by Kester because: preform?



posted on Oct, 2 2018 @ 03:11 AM
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originally posted by: Kester
a reply to: BigDave-AR

Tested specifically against the Kinzhal?


When someone designs the ultimate weapon. Someone else is designing the ultimate ultimate weapon.


Did I say that? Your question didn’t ask specificly against the Kinzhal from the way I read it but keep in mind that no matter how advanced the weapon it’s only as good as it’s eyes for terminal guidance I.e. the seeker which isn’t going to be that much better so if you can spoof a Exocet there’s a damn good chance you can spoof the mighty Kinzhal and keep in mind this was one of the least high tech defenses.



posted on Oct, 2 2018 @ 03:13 AM
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a reply to: BigDave-AR

Lack of testing implies there is no equivalent available to test against.



posted on Oct, 2 2018 @ 08:07 AM
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a reply to: Kester

Do you have a lot of experience with microwave weapons?



posted on Oct, 2 2018 @ 11:09 AM
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a reply to: PokeyJoe

Twice and really nasty.



posted on Feb, 4 2019 @ 08:20 PM
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a reply to: Kester

Didn't know you were an American diplomat in Cuba.

Real talk, this is just an iskander on a plane. Nothing revolutionary. Pershing 2 had a similarly agile RV back in the 80s. Hell, we even had the skybolt back in the 60s.

If only Russia hadn't blatantly and flagrantly violated the INF treaty, putting the world further in danger from it's violent, expeditionary death throes.



posted on Feb, 4 2019 @ 11:02 PM
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It's Wunderwaffe all right. Just doesn't have the "second strike" capability.

Staging is one issue. Getting the first one within 1200 miles of a US fleet is doable. The second one? much more difficult.

The US has oodles of inventory against which there isn't much that is a preventative.

It's like trying to kill a rattlesnake with a shovel. Sure you can do it; but can you do it with a single blow? Because after your first blow, it's the rattlesnake's turn.

Likewise. After this thing is used against the US Navy, it' the Navy's turn....



posted on Apr, 28 2019 @ 03:19 PM
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a reply to: Fallingdown

And how would the crew be shielded from the electromagnetic radiation emitted by such a powerful microwave weapon?



posted on Apr, 28 2019 @ 05:10 PM
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Hypersonic, and high supersonic weapons are considered "unstoppable" based on the fact that at the range a normal radar will see them, you'll have less than 2 minutes to "see" them, lock on, and get interceptors in the air. The standard AEGIS engagement was known as "Shoot- Shoot- Look". They'd fire two missiles, then wait to see if they need to fire more. With a high speed weapon at that range, if the missiles don't kill it, you're not getting another chance.

Adding airborne sensors to the mix extends the range you can see them coming, but until now, those sensors have been extremely vulnerable. One of the biggest ship defense missions the F-35 will undertake is to tie into the AEGIS command net and act as an airborne radar. They'll have the ability to guide ship based weapons into incoming targets, and will be far less vulnerable than any previous carrier based platform in history.

They'll by no means render weapons like this useless, but a battle group with a flight of F-35s airborne will see their defenses become exponentially better, and will have a much better chance at stopping them.




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