a reply to: firerescue
Ok firstly you seem to be under the misconception that I was implying that no missiles were ever launched, I'm not saying that. As far as I am
concerned missiles were indeed launched during an exercise, but one which went horribly wrong. From a security point of view only the personnel in the
CIC would be directly aware of what was going on and what targets were being displayed. That limits the total number of people to probably around
25-30 not 300+. It is not beyond reason that all those who were present on that day and privy to this information were sworn to secrecy with threat of
life in a dark hole in Leavenworth for breaching this, and nobody wants that fate. Much has also been made of the fact that extensive checks were made
of missile inventories but its not beyond the bounds of reason that those records could be doctored or duplicate serial numbers could be created. It
would be difficult but not impossible. For example it is now generally believed that Singapore has been using duplicate tail numbers to hide the fact
that they have probably received a greater number of F-15SG's than was publicly contracted for. So doing the same for 2-3 missiles shouldn't be that
Second, unlike many conspiracies there are a credible number of witnesses who have post investigation publicly both individually and as a group
testified that the eyewitness accounts attributed to them in official reports are not what they said, further they also assert to having been directly
intimidated by people claiming to be Govt agents to say that they were mistaken and must have seen something else. Additionally a number of the
witnesses were very credible including one who just so happened to be a forensic engineer, pretty much the next best thing to one of them being an
NTSB investigator or Boeing 747 design engineer. His account is very clear regarding the sequence of events and the fact that the smoke trail rose up
to meet the aircraft, not the other way around.
Thirdly, there are the radar traces that were very carefully examined by one of the best experts alive today. What he found was he believed
irrefutable evidence of high speed objects consistent with the detonation of a military grade explosive at supersonic velocities that far outstripped
what could occur in a fuel vapor explosion.
Fourth, the head of the NTSB investigation resigned. He was one of their most senior and respected investigators and he quit sighting interference by
other Govt agencies. This included finding people claiming to be from the FBI in the secured hangar where the aircraft wreckage was being collected
and observed removing components and hitting others with hammers to change there shape in the middle of the night, not exactly a forensic practice now
Fifth, lack of a similar accident before or since in the 747 family. I dont know how many other people here have ever worked on 747's other than maybe
Zaph, but I have and extensively. I am not aware of any other fuel tank incident even remotely similar to this in the last 50 years of 747 operations.
Yes it has happened in other aircraft for other reasons but not this exact one. And as someone who holds a current fuel tank entry permit I am acutely
aware that in reality the vapor levels you would actually see inside a sealed tank in use, even with minimal fuel would essentially eliminate the
likelihood of an ignition sequence no matter how much sparking source you apply once you go well above the Upper Explosive Limit. It doesn't matter
how hot it gets, fires and explosions need oxygen and lots of it to initiate and vapor rich fuel tanks dont have enough.
Sixth, a seeming lack of impetus to enact an AD permanent fix quickly. When s#it goes badly wrong with aircraft, manufacturers, investigators and
regulators move very quickly, sometimes within days or hours, at least to ground and investigate. Follow up action happens quickly after which usually
involves repeat inspections and permanent fixes following as quickly as possible. In the case of the 747 centre wing tank CWT it took till late 2009,
about 13+ years from TWA 800 to retrofit the first Nitrogen inerting system. I am currently involved heavily in acquitting various SB's and permanent
fixes on an A-380 fleet that are of far less potential concern and they are happening infinitely faster than that 747 fix. And I should really know
because I was involved in that very first 747 CWT Nitrogen inerting system fitted anywhere in the world, which leads me to number seven.
Seventh, as part of that very first retrofit installation Boeing sent a small team of four engineering specialists to assist us with it. One of this
team also happened to be the then head of 747 engineering development. During a briefing to the assembled workforce they had a Q and A session at the
end. I rather innocently asked the question, "are you certain that arcing wiring harnesses in the CWT is what caused the explosion onboard TWA 800?" I
was expecting the standard reply and wasn't thinking about any ulterior motive as at that time I was convinced that the official explanation given
was in fact the cause. However his response and body language raised an alarm in me. He was evasive and non committal in a way I had not expected, and
what struck me as really odd is that it was not a question that I thought would be outside the reasonable bounds of being asked. It was a logical
question to which a man in his position I would have expected to practice a standard corporate agreed answer. Instead he appeared reluctant to discuss
it and really didn't say "yes" as I would have thought. Rather he muttered something along the lines of "err, well... its the most likely explanation
we think", and he had this completely unconvincing look on his face like he knew he was lying and suddenly didn't want to be there.
Look I am perfectly happy to be proven wrong or at least partly wrong, and as I said I dont buy into the vast number of conspiracy theories because I
know the truth is usually different, but in this case I think the evidence, motive and capability is there for this to be true. Sometimes good people
do bad things because they believe its the lesser of two evils. Covering up what really happened to TWA 800 may well be one of those things.
edit on 3-10-2018 by thebozeian because: (no reason given)