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Stop defending people you don't personally know it's a joke

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posted on Sep, 30 2018 @ 12:29 PM
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a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

what reason do I have to assume she's lying?

stop it with the right wing version of virtue signalling with the idea of presumed innocence, give me a good enough reason to assume she's lying?

also, I really don't care they are both privileged rich kids highly connected to the DC establishment who are perpetrating the left/ right paradigm so what's the difference? they are both actors in a play




posted on Sep, 30 2018 @ 12:30 PM
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a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

I have plenty of faith in the FBI in general though they are not perfect. If they didn’t have information due to people it sharing it, then it is reasonable, that, without being mind readers, they would not find the evidence.

Is Dr. Ford lying? If she is not lying and it happened exactly as she testified, AND Ms. Rameriz is not lying etc (maybe other anonymous folks out there are telling their own stories right now that can be verified), then there is a disqualifying pattern of behavior. If they are all lying, then they are committing a crime.



posted on Sep, 30 2018 @ 12:33 PM
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originally posted by: toysforadults
a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

what reason do I have to assume she's lying?

stop it with the right wing version of virtue signalling with the idea of presumed innocence, give me a good enough reason to assume she's lying?

also, I really don't care they are both privileged rich kids highly connected to the DC establishment who are perpetrating the left/ right paradigm so what's the difference? they are both actors in a play


You don't. To assume she is lying would be to assume guilt on her behalf.

You assume she is mistaken, or anything else it takes to get you through the day without accusing innocent people. I don't see why that is difficult.

If you think "presumed innocence" is "right wing"....Jesus, man.



posted on Sep, 30 2018 @ 12:34 PM
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a reply to: AboveBoard

How would you know if Kavanaugh is lying? Im curious what scenario plays out in your mind where there is a reasonable chance that he is caught lying?



posted on Sep, 30 2018 @ 12:34 PM
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a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

no you guys are using this idea of presumed innocence just like the SJWs use the idea of white privilege as some kind of moral righteousness, it's the right wing version of social justice and moral grandstanding

just admit it, admit that you have no idea and taking sides in this debate and getting into heated arguments with other people who like you, have no clue is ridiculous



posted on Sep, 30 2018 @ 12:40 PM
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Poor Duke lacrosse team would have had their whole life ruined by the false accusations on them years ago.

I feel bad for young men, ya sons, ya brothers, and fathers who can have their life's ruined by a claim with no other evidence but he said she said.

To hell with the Constitution and to hell with innocent until proven guilty. Lets bring back the Salem witch trials where just an accusation can have you burned at the stake.

If you have a son one day and he has a bipolar crazy girlfriend and breaks up with her and she accuses him of sexual assault with her claim as the only proof we throw him under the prison!?

This is a VERY dangerous precedent to set. A slippery slope indeed.

It scares me that either one of my sons can possibly end up in a situation like this.

You SOBS have no respect for the constitution, no respect for what our justice system was founded on.

When you can whisper any accusation without any other ounce of proof and destroy a person and his family, career, life we are in an upside down world.

Things are being put into a precedent that will destroy this country.

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posted on Sep, 30 2018 @ 12:47 PM
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originally posted by: Isurrender73

originally posted by: Grambler
a reply to: toysforadults

I’ll tepeat this here


I don’t really care about the players involved as much as defending the concept of innocent until proven guilty

Sorry that defending that, which is one of the foundations of our country, is seen as a distraction to you


I come across as a Trump supporter and I defended Kavanaugh. But I believe in a much more socialist leaning world (minus the fascist running it).

What I support like you is the constitution and rule of law which both these men seem to support. Those in politics that oppose Trump seem to think the constitution is a nuisance to their globalist agenda.
What makes you think socialism isn’t a construct of the totalitarian NWO ?



posted on Sep, 30 2018 @ 12:47 PM
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a reply to: toysforadults

You guys? Am i representing a group i didnt know about?

Whats riduculous is assuming guilt without evidence.



posted on Sep, 30 2018 @ 12:53 PM
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originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus

Not Bush, Patriot act.
Well the Patriot Act ushered in the surveillance state and making it legal for the govt to spy on Americans.



posted on Sep, 30 2018 @ 01:08 PM
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a reply to: AboveBoard

Given some of the ridiculous and loaded questions he was asked, it would have to be a substantial lie for me to withdraw support. If he lied about the allegations, then yes that is immediately disqualifying without a doubt. But simple accusations of lying under oath vs. actually having evidence he lied under oath (or at least examples of what he lied about) are different

I know this process has been shameful, to say the least. But if we let an allegation without evidence derail an appointment then how will any seat ever be filled again? If you can shut a nominee down through accusations alone, two things will happen:

1) A lot more Democrat AND Republican men and women will be coming forward as victims to sex crimes (and all crimes, really)

2) No nominee will ever be seated, since each side will have the absolute ability to shut them down with as little as one person coming forward with accusations

It is more dangerous to let an allegation shut down public process than to risk having to impeach someone at a later date if/when evidence comes forward supporting the allegations

And you are right, he will probably be an activist judge. In the beginning, I believe he would've been very impartial and fair (although conservative slanted, no doubt). However, after this mess, I have no doubt (and couldn't really blame him) if he did rule for the wrong reasons and push back against the same dems who tried to ruin him

And of course you are right again that doing that would be absolutely wrong and the worst possible thing. Only problem is, it's been going on for years now and I can't see anyone making too big of an issue out of just one more. The right time to make a major issue would've been the very first time a judge decided to make the law instead of ruling on its Constitutionality & lack of conflict with existing laws/treaties/precedent/etc

I don't know AB, but watching those proceedings made me feel ashamed for this country. That is one of the only (if not the only) time I have ever felt that emotion in connection with being an American. I love this country, I love our Constitution and I love our way of life. Can the people trying to ruin Kavanaugh over political disagreements really say the same? With a straight face, in all honesty?



posted on Sep, 30 2018 @ 01:10 PM
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I will admit I have no idea whether its actually true or not

But the default position is: "Guilt not proven, therefore presumed innocent until & unless that guilt is proven beyond a reasonable doubt in a court of law."

...at least that should be the default position. False accusations can happen to anyone. I would be careful about judging others by a standard/rubric you yourself wouldn't be completely comfortable being judged by. The tables could easily be turned in the future, and believing unproven allegations (of any type) sets a dangerous and devastating precedent.



posted on Sep, 30 2018 @ 05:03 PM
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a reply to: toysforadults


If you think it has to do with the two individuals involved you are sadly mistaken. It is about presumption of innocence. I could not care less about ford or Kavanaugh, an accusation does not mean him, you , me, or anyone else in this country are guilty. It is up to the accuser to prove the claim they are making.



posted on Sep, 30 2018 @ 05:03 PM
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a reply to: toysforadults

Modern Breads & Circuses!



posted on Sep, 30 2018 @ 06:41 PM
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a reply to: thepixelpusher

sure seems to be working doesn't it



posted on Sep, 30 2018 @ 07:13 PM
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a reply to: toysforadults

If ATS is any indicator, I'd say so.


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posted on Sep, 30 2018 @ 07:19 PM
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a reply to: norhoc

And 2-door "non Dr." Ford's accusations holes are big enough to drive a F-150 through. Clearly she is lying!

They used Mark Judge's books to make up her "story".
She didn't really know or socialize with BK. That is why her best friend said she doesn't believe she was EVER at a party with her or without her where BK was present.

They manufactured the whole story using the books and that is why they were pushing so hard to have Mark Judge testify because they know he is vulnerable being a recovered alcoholic and so forth. They would try to paint BK with the same brush.

The whole thing was an elaborate plan that is going to backfire BIGLY!!!
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posted on Oct, 1 2018 @ 09:08 AM
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a reply to: toysforadults

You've gotta take these facts at face value, look at whatever the situation is from outside the box.

I have no idea who this Kavanaugh dude is, but he is being accused of some pretty serious crimes. Attacking him just because he swings to the right is wrong, the same applies to the left.

The bias that many ATS members shows why they should never ever be given jury duty. 'OMG he voted for the democrats in 1992, he's guilty as sin!!! OMG this dude voted for Reagan, lock him up and throw away the key!!!'

Crime is crime and should not be politicized. Seriously some people need to grow up. I don't like Trump but i'm not screaming for his impeachment, that is not how it works. That's for the judge and an impartial jury to decide.



posted on Oct, 1 2018 @ 09:15 AM
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I personally have less concern for Kavanaugh as a person, in fact much in his record suggests to me a person I'm not sure I want as a Judge on the supreme court. That said, I'm being backed into a corner where I have to defend him because there's an even greater concern at stake and that is the changing of presumption of innocence into the presumption of guilt. The left has forced this into becoming an issue of defending the principles of our country and the constitution instead of it being about Kavanaugh and his record as a judge. At this point my opinion of Kavanaugh and his record is no longer relevant as it pales in comparison to the bigger picture. This behavior needs a big boot to stamp it out, it's unacceptable.



posted on Oct, 1 2018 @ 10:34 AM
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originally posted by: ManBehindTheMask
a reply to: toysforadults




You have no idea who if anyone is telling the truth about something that could or could not have happened 30+ years ago. You are clueless, admit it.


Thats called evidence..........and theres nothing clueless about basing opinions off it...........

Nor is it baseless to base an opinion off someones history........

The only one who seems clueless here is you..........


It's baseless to base an opinion off of someones history. History is events you did, not events you will do; to base something off of history, means that people cannot learn from their own history.

History is objective, projecting it to the future, is subjective. Subjective opinions are baseless because there is no objective base. In other words; it's an assumption that can just as easily be false as it can be true.

Evidence is the only thing that matters. I don't even believe in witness testimony, because witnesses are wrong more than they are right and can levy an accusation against someone based on something baseless and crucify you with a false testimony.

If there is no evidence, you HAVE to leave it alone, this does mean guilty people will occasionally get away, but it means innocent people are never falsely punished. If innocents can be falsely punished, it will happen more than guilty parties getting away with their crime. Also, if an innocent person is punished, the guilty party always escapes.



posted on Oct, 1 2018 @ 10:43 AM
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originally posted by: ManBehindTheMask
So we shouldnt stand up for people we dont know?

Even when we see a wrong being made?

We should just sit down and shut up huh?

I dont think Niemöller would agree with you:




First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.


Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.


Sorry, going to have to kindly tell you youre wrong...........so so wrong........


People don’t seem to understand what’s being defended is principles you believe in, regardless of which side you’re on, or even if you think each side is right in some areas and wrong in others. Names and identities are irrelevant and everything is not black and white - there’s lots of grey.

What I think people really need to stop doing, like the OP has done, is demand that others think and act just like them. That is EXACTLY what’s wrong with the US right now! People seem to think if you don’t think and act just like them, you’re some kind of cancer.







 
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