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Why I am extremely skepitical of Avenattis clients accusation

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posted on Sep, 26 2018 @ 03:10 PM
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I have been willing to hear ford and ramirez out.

I was more skeptical of Ramirez's story seeing as how she herself wasnt sure that kavanaugh was the offender in her story until she sat down with a democrat lawyer for 6 days.

But I feel both women had the right to testify to senate and be heard.

And I feel the same about avenattis client, ms. swetnick.

However, I look at her claims far more skeptically than I did the previous two women.

There are many reasons to question her claims, and she comes off as not a very good person at all.

1. She claims to have attended these parties from 81-83. She also claims to have been drugged and gang raped at a party in 1982. Now she doesnt say that kavanaugh or judge participated in the rape, but they were there.

Why would this woman continue to then go to parties until 1983 if she had been gang raped there?

Now people will say sometimes victims dont realize the abuse until later. But she is not saying this was sort of consensual sex that went too far; she is saying she was drugged and raped by multiple men against her will.

Even if she was afraid and didnt tell anyone (she says she told two people I think) or go to the police, why would you put yourself back in that situation? This alone is devastating for her account.

2. She is actually two years older than Kavanaugh. This means she would have been 20 in 1983 (if my math is correct) hanging out getting drunk at a high school party.

Thats not a huge deal, but if she was giving alcohol to minors or engaging in sexual activities, that would be a problem . Doesnt mean her story cant be true, but it reflects on her character and credibility.

3. Maybe most damning.

This woman claims she knew of these poor girls being gang raped. Yet she went back to these parties, again and again and again, and drank with these girls, and didnt warn them they were about to be raped.

That is horrible! What credibility does a person like that have?

Now people say "So what, she is saying kavaugh did the same thing" But is she?

She admits to basically being an accessory to rape. The only proof she offers that Kavanaugh knew of the rapes was that she saw him in a line of guys once, and assumed that line was to have sex with a girl. That doesnt prove it was rape, and doesnt even prove it was sex. She never claims to see kavanaugh or these guys in the line having sex.

So it is entirely possible to think that even if these gang rapes were occurring, Kavanaugh didnt know. The only person we know for sure knew was ms swetnick herself!

Now you may say if these rapes happened, kavanaugh and everyone at the party would have had to have known. I disagree. I have been to parties where people had sex, and had no clue whatsoever until told later.

Kavanaugh may have been a drunk just boozing it up, unaware that rapes were occurring. And just because he was seen in a line doesnt prove he raped someone.

But we do know that swetnick by her own admission helped facilitate the gang rape of young girls, or at least allowed it to happen over and over again while she drank with them and had fun.

4. There are other little things that raise suspicion. Why wait 30 years (i know I know, some people wait because of the trauma but still worth asking). Why not file a police report in maryland, where the statute of limitations is still open to investigate rape? Why go to someone like avenatti, someone who even politico said serious dems were backing away from?

Why wait until after kavanuagh would have been confirmed to bring this up? Had there not been delays, she would have been too late to stop him with her allegations.

Maybe she waited to the last minute because it was political? Maybe she wanted to get as much detail from what kavanaugh would say before she made her statement.

Like how the only one party she remembers by name or anything was one that occurred on "Beach week", something kavanuaghs released calander just happened to claim he was at.

5. Another damning fact,

her claims are so huge that it almost defies reason that during three years of gang rape parties, with many victims, perpetrators, and probably other witnesses at these parties, this never came up in 6 fbi background investigations into kavanuagh.

How can that be? Are the fbi that incompetent? She was personally at ten gang rape parties. I would assume there were many more over those three years that they had.

She said there were lines of guys raping girls. How many people are covering this up? How was the fbi not able to get wind of this with 6 investigations?



None of this is proof she is lying. But given that there is no physical evidence, her credibility matters. And given the above, I dont find her very credible.

But lets take everything she says as true.

She never claims to have seen kavanaugh rape anyone. Never claims to seen him have sex. She never even says she saw him spike the punch, just heard he was doing it.

She says he made crude jokes, was a mean drunk, and grabbed girls inappropriately and grinded on them (she says without there consent, but how does she know)

So he, like cory booker, groped at girls.

If thats true, yeah its bad, but worth keeping off the court? Are we going to go back to make sure every public servant never bumped or grinded on anyone?

Due to what I think is a very uncredible accuser, with no physical evidence, I dont think this should delay the process.

She should be welcome to file a statement with the senate, file an official police report in maryland, and allow the process to move on.

This seems very like an attempt to weaponize an sexual assault allegation for political purposes.


twitter.com... tps%3A%2F%2Fthehill.com%2Fhomenews%2Fnews%2F408490-avenatti-releases-clients-identity-allegations-against-kavanaugh

I cant get a better link to her statement if someone has it please post.


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posted on Sep, 26 2018 @ 03:14 PM
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Does every single question on this topic really need it's own thread?

There should just be a base thread for kicking around each and every random thought.

Just a suggestion.




posted on Sep, 26 2018 @ 03:14 PM
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a reply to: Grambler


We need to find out who is paying Avanatti! Case closed! He isn't doing this for free!



posted on Sep, 26 2018 @ 03:17 PM
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a reply to: Grambler

As a person who was ALWAYS verbally against sexual assaults, since the first allegation I am trying to keep an open mind and believe all of these delays, demands, lack of evidence and/or witnesses to corroborate and details of the incidents, are just an amazing coincidence.

It could happen. She could've suffered some kind of trauma and sat on it for 40 years. It happens. I was ready to believe her after her testimony.

I'm not anymore. One, because she WON'T SHOW UP. And two because this is being orchestrated by the Democrats to delay the nomination until the mid-terms. It's pretty evident right now after this third woman. You've covered well all of the details that contributes to the skepticism.

I'm sure more will come forward 'till Friday. They won't stop now until they delay the nomination.


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posted on Sep, 26 2018 @ 03:19 PM
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a reply to: Jefferton

It's funny how you are never interested in debating the subject, but is always up for criticizing the OP.

Shows a lot about who you are.



posted on Sep, 26 2018 @ 03:24 PM
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With a Judge on the verge of deciding to toss Avenatti's OTHER client's lawsuit (Stormy D)...the Creepy Porn Lawyer decides to smear another Judge.

Bet this doesn't go over too well with the Judge overseeing the Stormy suit.
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posted on Sep, 26 2018 @ 03:26 PM
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originally posted by: vinifalou
a reply to: Jefferton

It's funny how you are never interested in debating the subject, but is always up for criticizing the OP.

Shows a lot about who you are.

There really isn't anything else to debate.

Until the process runs it's course, all of this is just beating a dead horse.

And you have no idea about who. I. Am.


Cheers friend.



posted on Sep, 26 2018 @ 03:31 PM
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originally posted by: Jefferton

There really isn't anything else to debate.


That's because the situation isn't looking favorable to "your side".




posted on Sep, 26 2018 @ 03:35 PM
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posted on Sep, 26 2018 @ 03:35 PM
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She was into it, and orchestrated it.

Allison Mack wasnt the first with the idea of pressuring people into sex



posted on Sep, 26 2018 @ 03:36 PM
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originally posted by: vinifalou

originally posted by: Jefferton

There really isn't anything else to debate.


That's because the situation isn't looking favorable to "your side".


My side is the calm and sane.

It's lonely here.

Now, I believe I said cheers. So, .



posted on Sep, 26 2018 @ 03:36 PM
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Also don't forget this operation started many months ago.

July 12, 2018

U.S. Deputy Attorney General makes unusual request in Supreme Court nomination


WASHINGTON—Rod Rosenstein, the U.S. deputy attorney general, has asked federal prosecutors to help review the government documents of Judge Brett Kavanaugh, U.S. President Donald Trump’s Supreme Court nominee, according to a letter obtained by the New York Times on Wednesday.

Rosenstein’s request was an unusual insertion of politics into federal law enforcement. While the Justice Department has helped work on previous Supreme Court nominations, department lawyers in Washington typically carry out that task, not prosecutors who pursue criminal investigations nationwide.



posted on Sep, 26 2018 @ 03:37 PM
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a reply to: Jefferton

But we do know who you are on paper, here on ATS, and Vin is right



posted on Sep, 26 2018 @ 03:38 PM
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originally posted by: seeker1963
a reply to: Grambler


We need to find out who is paying Avanatti! Case closed! He isn't doing this for free!


He has political aspirations for 2020 running as a democrat so the usual suspects are a virtual certainty.




posted on Sep, 26 2018 @ 03:40 PM
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The OP understands very little about such incidents. The behavior isn't inconsistent.



posted on Sep, 26 2018 @ 03:41 PM
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originally posted by: ausername

originally posted by: seeker1963
a reply to: Grambler


We need to find out who is paying Avanatti! Case closed! He isn't doing this for free!


He has political aspirations for 2020 running as a democrat so the usual suspects are a virtual certainty.



I hope he does run! He would be the biggest gift the #Walkaway movement could ever imagine.



posted on Sep, 26 2018 @ 03:42 PM
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originally posted by: Moresby
The OP understands very little about such incidents. The behavior isn't inconsistent.


Care to explain specifics?



posted on Sep, 26 2018 @ 03:49 PM
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I know you’re playing the devils advocate, but even entertaining these ideas is taking it a step farther than I feel we should allow it to go. In other words, he denies even being at these types of parties and why shouldn’t we believe him?
Just by entertaining these ideas puts the thought in people’s heads that he was a hopeless drunk and from what I’ve heard he doesn’t even deserve that.
I’m not one of them, but there’s people out there that have never even smoked a cigarette



posted on Sep, 26 2018 @ 03:49 PM
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a reply to: Grambler

someone needs to ask her to sign into ATS and put her story in the short story contest, she might get stars and flags



posted on Sep, 26 2018 @ 03:52 PM
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a reply to: Grambler

Any woman or man with a legitimate allegation or accusation would not want to use Michael Avenatti as their lawyer.



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