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Rendlesham Forest 1980 Pt II - Will There Be An Answer?

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posted on Feb, 25 2019 @ 07:45 AM
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a reply to: ConfusedBrit

I had been given word there are supposed to be clues hidden in another TV series specifically set in 1980 related to UFOs and that 14 and 18 are numbers particularly significant there.

Yeh????? Personally I've been unable to unscramble anything from that. Probably complete BS like the examples you've given above. But who knows?





posted on Feb, 25 2019 @ 03:16 PM
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originally posted by: mirageman
The story relies on a very tight timeline because as we know the British Police attended and had confirmed their report by around 10:30 in the morning (see below).


According to my reckoning, the Suffolk Police logs two calls, one at 0411, the second, as you say, at 1030 the same day. However according to Conrad (in discussion with Dr Clarke), the second police visit occurred at around 1900. I have had a wee shuffle through my notes and I can't find anything to confirm or contradict that. You?

Either way, given that Penniston claimed to have crossed paths with the police visitor (and named escorts), he would have been working in the dark, which may be why Gulyas failed to see the traces of plaster that Penniston would inevitably have left.

I am also having trouble deciding whether Penniston drove to the base and then walked out to the woods from there or whether he by-passed security and went straight to the woods.



posted on Feb, 25 2019 @ 04:45 PM
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originally posted by: mirageman
a reply to: ConfusedBrit

I had been given word there are supposed to be clues hidden in another TV series specifically set in 1980 related to UFOs and that 14 and 18 are numbers particularly significant there.

Yeh????? Personally I've been unable to unscramble anything from that. Probably complete BS like the examples you've given above. But who knows?


I was wondering when someone would mention this.


And I know what you mean about "14" and "18", but don't you think the number "10" has particular significance regarding Jim's sighting, especially in relation to the original sketch attached to his statement and what is contained in Halt's memo?

The more I dig, the more significant the numbers seem to be, but whether you can sense the same importance in "10" is open to question. However, I also think the number "16" sheds some light on how the plaster casts came about, as well as another airman's actions on Night Three.

As you say, it could be nothing, but have a look at "10" and "16" again and see if you agree. If so, perhaps we DO have a pattern emerging.



posted on Feb, 25 2019 @ 04:58 PM
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a reply to: ConfusedBrit

Can you contact me by PM about the latter stuff you've mentioned. I don't think I've thought this through the same way you seem to have done. I thought this was a red herring. Maybe you can confirm?



posted on Feb, 25 2019 @ 05:16 PM
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On its way to you.




originally posted by: KilgoreTrout
According to my reckoning, the Suffolk Police logs two calls, one at 0411, the second, as you say, at 1030 the same day. However according to Conrad (in discussion with Dr Clarke), the second police visit occurred at around 1900. I have had a wee shuffle through my notes and I can't find anything to confirm or contradict that. You?


Shuffling any number of notes may be a waste of time in relation to Conrad's notoriously cack-handed timeline of events - which can potentially lead to a tsunami of NEW interpretations, including Halt going on a night-time trek on TWO nights. And the RFI is already messy enough.

If I were you, I'd leave Conrad's comments to fester in their own confusion.



posted on Feb, 25 2019 @ 05:37 PM
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According to my reckoning, the Suffolk Police logs two calls, one at 0411, the second, as you say, at 1030 the same day. However according to Conrad (in discussion with Dr Clarke), the second police visit occurred at around 1900. I have had a wee shuffle through my notes and I can't find anything to confirm or contradict that. You?


There is nothing to confirm the police attended around 1900 on night of the 26th 1980 (it would have been dark well before then). It's February 25th now and it's still dark at 1900 in England. What would be the point of the police going out the site in darkness again. They've confirmed they went out at 1030. There are daylight photographs showing a police officer. I think Conrad is simply mistaken. In 1983 Base Commander Ted Conrad also gave a brief interview to OMNI magazine regarding the incident.He confused the issue even more stating the events began at 10:30.


..... ‘ At 10 30 on that fateful night five Air Force policemen spotted lights from what they thought was a small plane descending into the forest.... Two of the men tracked the object on foot and came upon a large tripod-mounted craft It had no windows but was studded with brilliant red and blue lights.

Each time the men came within 50 yards of the ship it levitated six feet in the air and backed away/ They followed it for almost an hour through the woods and across a field until it took off at a "phenomenal speed '.

Acting on the reports made by his men Colonel Conrad began a brief investigation of the incident in the morning. He went into the forest and located a triangular pattern ostensibly made by the tripod legs. He claims that he never observed any aliens. But he did interview two of the eyewitnesses and concludes ;

"Those lads saw something but l don’t know what it was”. Conrad’s chat with his men was the only official probe ever mounted and it seems unlikely that we'll ever learn more. But when Dot Street of BUFORA was asked whether she believed this incredible tale she opined. "I'll stick me neck out and say yes ” Street’s colleague BUFORA director Jenny Randles ventured a theory of her own. However the alien spaceship she suggests is just a fiction leaked by the U S Air Force to cover up the crash of a plane carrying nuclear bombs.


Conrad's recollections are from 1983 (OMNI) where he gives no mention about the British Police or 29 years later with Dr. Clarke....See Link



posted on Feb, 26 2019 @ 03:30 AM
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Mirageman, you said:


The story relies on a very tight timeline because as we know the British Police attended and had confirmed their report by around 10:30 in the morning (see below).


I wonder if you are misreading the 23 November 1983 Suffolk Constabulary letter. The 4.11 am report was the trigger to two subsequent police visits to the forest.

The 10:30 am report is from a "staff member" at RAF Bentwaters. This is indeterminate; it might mean USAF staff, or Suffolk Constabulary staff at the base. What follows is crucial. A place had been found. The next sentence would have read "An officer had attended," and the sentence after "the officer "in attendance had thought", or "who had attended..." if the police had visited and were making their final report by 10:30 am.

The letter, rather, suggests that the report to the police came at 10:30 am. This describes that the landing site had already been inspected (presumably by USAF staff). The next two sentences indicate the subsequent actions of the police, further to the 10:30 am report. Much as they have done for the night report, the timing is the logged time of first contact, and the action is not timed. The actual Suffolk Constabulary Police Log confirms this interpretation:

“Suffolk Constabulary Command and Control incident log serial number 31A4 26/12/80/1030. Report from USAF Law Enforcement Desk, RAF Bentwaters of an alleged craft landing site, two miles east of the East Gate of RAF Bentwaters.”

If this is the correct reading of the letter (and I think it is), then we do not have a time for the police visit to the landing site on the day of 26 December. A number of sources state that Burroughs and Penniston, with Maj Drury and Capt Verrano, revisited the landing site in the daylight shortly after the end of their shift at 7:00 am and a debrief. MSgt Gulyas also accompanied them, and is likely to have taken the first set of photos at this time. Presumably it was after this visit and their report back to Maj Zickler, that the local police were alerted, so 10:30 am is not unrealistic.

Penniston then dropped Burroughs back home in Ipswich, obtained the necessary equipment and then returned to the landing site to take plaster casts. He had just finished this when Drury and Verrano returned with a police constable, PC Creswell. MSgt Gulyas was also present at this rendezvous and took (more) photographs. This would make sense if the earlier photographs, processed in the base lab, had come out fogged.

Burroughs has also claimed that he returned to the landing site later the same day and there met a British policeman. If he did so, then this would have been with PC Creswell (watch Unsolved Mysteries 18/9/1991 @ 5:05 on: www.dailymotion.com...). Was this claim simply artistic licence, at a time before Penniston had gone public? He is not named in this documentary, and in 1991 was still in the USAF. Parsimony might suggest that Burroughs has adopted Penniston's role of liaising with PC Creswell. I am sure this can be simply checked out.

So, overall, there appears to be nothing suspicious with the timings. A proper enquiry would soon iron out these ripples in the story. It might even suggest who wrote the binary code...

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posted on Feb, 26 2019 @ 03:40 AM
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originally posted by: mirageman
There is nothing to confirm the police attended around 1900 on night of the 26th 1980 (it would have been dark well before then).


However, we do know that they received the second call at 1030, arriving at the Law Enforcement Office at Bentwaters sometime thereafter. After presumably a short time, since there is no indication that they left the LE office for the woods, they were called away to investigate a post office burglary. They then returned sometime after to continue their enquiry at Bentwaters.

It is noted that on receipt of the first call at 0411, the Police responded immediately. Found nothing of note. There is no comment as to how quickly they responded to the second call but it was unlikely to have been attended to with the same vigour. A burglary is going to take time to process. 1900 doesn't sound like too much of a stretch of the imagination in that context.

Of the photograph that was taken at the "landing site" of this visit by Suffolk Police it is claimed that


Daylight visible between the trees in the background confirms that this site was within a hundred yards or so of the eastern forest edge (for an aerial map of the location, see here). This is the site that was investigated by the deputy base commander, Col Charles Halt, two nights later when the UFO was seen again.


www.ianridpath.com...

It must have been at least mid afternoon when that photo was taken. The "daylight" is reflection from the flash, surely?



posted on Feb, 26 2019 @ 03:58 AM
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There is no comment as to how quickly they responded to the second call but it was unlikely to have been attended to with the same vigour. A burglary is going to take time to process. 1900 doesn't sound like too much of a stretch of the imagination in that context.


You are confusing the 10:30 call with the routine shift visit made by PCs King and Brophy to the RAF Bentwaters Law Enforcement Desk ca. 02:00 on 27 December 1980 (as described by Bruni). It was whilst they were there that a further report came on the radio stating that there were lights in the forest at the exact same spot as the night before. They were interrupted on the way by a call about the post office being broken into at Otley 10 miles away, which they attended instead.

The photograph of the landing site does appear to have been illuminated by flash in the near-ground. There is also clearly light coming through the trees in the distance. It was therefore taken during daylight hours. Sunset would have been just before 4pm, so a police response in the early afternoon was most likely. Again asking for clarification from Penniston might help. Was it him, and not Burroughs, who discussed the site with PC Creswell, and about what time in the afternoon did this occur?



posted on Feb, 26 2019 @ 06:23 AM
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Perhaps so. Although Penniston would have been awake a long time by the afternoon after enjoying his Christmas Day and then starting a long shift. He has also said he was questioning his own sanity because of binarrhea² that followed the next day. The guy was obviously not sleeping well.

I don't see any traces of plaster in the landing site photos. Albeit the quality of the photo is poor. But the ground looks rather scuffed up and not frozen too. So perhaps the original photos came out fogged and these were retakes in the afternoon? I am beginning to wonder now myself.

When Jim returned to the landing site in 2002(?) he also looks visibly shaken up and has to walk away for a time. Halt seems confused as it's an entirely different place. So maybe there was more than one landing site too? Assuming that something actually did land? In fact that would make more sense over 3 nights wouldn't it?

Of course by 2002 the forest had changed and regrown after the storms of 1987. So maybe there was confusion all round.




² the uncontrolled process of writing multiple ones and zeroes after losing control of one's vowels
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posted on Feb, 26 2019 @ 04:04 PM
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It might even suggest who wrote the binary code..


Do you think?





posted on Feb, 26 2019 @ 09:48 PM
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I've just watched the BBC's "Britain's Closest Encounter" for the first time, first broadcast 15th March 2003 and available in six parts via Ronnie Dugdale's YouTube channel. As the final TV show about Rendlesham that I had yet to see, it's ironic how it's far and away the best.

Buoyed by incidental music from the likes of Bernard Herrmann's glorious score from 'The Day The Earth Stood Still' (1951), it calmly and soberly takes us through the entire history, focusing especially on the early days after the incident. Highlights include 2003 interviews with Brenda Butler, Dot Street and Jenny Randles, as well as fascinating footage of them from the early-80s, including access to Super-8 cine movies shot by Brenda and Dot. What I was particularly surprised to hear was Dot's sneaky audio recording of her first phone call to a horrified Halt.

The sceptical angle is given ample time, creating a perfect balance between Penniston's starry-eyed belief that a whole universe of wonder had opened up for him, and Ian Ridpath's methodical debunking of avery aspect. Dr David Clarke is on hand to predict that in a hundred years, belief in extraterrestrial life could well become a major religion, rather than a niche obsession.

The human tragedies surrounding the case are underlined towards the end, emphasising how Dot Street's personal life was destroyed, prompting her to dump the case in 1987. An opposite but equally tragic consequence for Brenda Butler was her inability to 'let it be' (apart from a two-week period) as she now continually visits the forest, convinced that she is coming into regular contact with alien visitors there. I found that particularly sad, but hey, if it keeps her chirpy, who am I to criticise?

By the programme's end, I did find myself inevitably swaying towards the lighthouse, meteor and stellar explanations, even pondering about how much time I myself spend on this case - which, like Roswell, has become a gigantic, never-ending money-spinning industry, as well as a living hell for social media Rendlesham 'celebrities' engaging in the foulest bitter feuds online that make me question their priorities and how the 'Rendlesham curse' has demeaned their lives.

Perhaps calling it "Britain's Roswell" is an accurate label after all - simply substitute "Sticks and foil in a field" with "Sirius and lighthouse on the coast"... and watch it grow and grow and grow...

... and grow...



posted on Feb, 27 2019 @ 03:50 AM
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originally posted by: Baablacksheep
a reply to: Sutekh


It might even suggest who wrote the binary code..


Do you think?




Yes, I think.



posted on Feb, 27 2019 @ 04:36 AM
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Obviously you think , but you seem to think we might get to know "Whodunit", yes?

That would be nice.😎



posted on Feb, 27 2019 @ 04:39 AM
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originally posted by: ConfusedBrit
Dr David Clarke is on hand to predict that in a hundred years, belief in extraterrestrial life could well become a major religion, rather than a niche obsession.


Maybe not in "ET life" per se - but not far off - but I like his perspective and if you look at others involved in UFOlogy as a whole and their backgrounds/beliefs especially those that just appear in every aspect and UFO incident, that's probably not a bad shout.
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posted on Feb, 27 2019 @ 07:06 AM
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There are already those who have been trying to start a Cult of Consciousness and Universal Peace. Mainly targeted at the young and intellectually challenged demographic in America. They are behind various people and groups and even cults. The manipulated eventually become the manipulators and it spins on and on. So I'd say Clarke's 100 year estimate was probably a conservative one.



posted on Feb, 27 2019 @ 07:58 AM
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I've just watched the BBC's "Britain's Closest Encounter" for the first time, first broadcast 15th March 2003 and available in six parts via Ronnie Dugdale's YouTube channel. As the final TV show about Rendlesham that I had yet to see...


Are you really sure on that one? Have you seen this one?.

There's a challenge for you. Maybe you can start a list of all the TV shows featuring Rendlesham and post it up? We'll star your post if you do



posted on Feb, 27 2019 @ 08:28 AM
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Are you really sure on that one? Have you seen this one?. 


John says it could be the holy grail of ufology the alien message.






posted on Feb, 27 2019 @ 11:40 AM
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More like Monty Python's Holy Grail.



originally posted by: mirageman

Are you really sure on that one? Have you seen this one?.


No, I most definitely have NOT. Shall I? Will my life be fulfilled if I do, or would it be akin to sitting inside Richard Doty's skull?

Of course, I was referring to 'sane' TV shows. If I included all the kooky, hyperbolic con-jobs that feature Rendlesham, I'd never get anything done.



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posted on Feb, 27 2019 @ 11:53 AM
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No, I most definitely have NOT. Shall I?


Go for it CB. You know you want to!



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