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Rendlesham Forest 1980 Pt II - Will There Be An Answer?

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posted on Jan, 29 2019 @ 02:19 AM
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a reply to: mirageman

Short and sweet . It was poor . CB is correct re Jim and the presenter, uncomfortable . As far as the Egyptian stuff goes it is seemingly part of it all. They have been at it 8 plus years. To produce nothing of substance would not be a wise move.

All that aside their book should be out very soon?

Also if we go back to earlier days Jim always maintained it was about the binary and time travel?

Let us see what pans out along with Johns special DNA story in the mix.




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posted on Jan, 29 2019 @ 08:03 AM
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some interesting credits....I think I've met the "editor" a few times lol
someone obviously having a little fun with people...I'm pretty sure a certain someone will be ranting on FB pages when they see the full clip


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what is it with ufology that seemingly gives some people a sense of humor bypass operation...
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posted on Jan, 29 2019 @ 08:51 AM
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Diane Pasulka posted an academic paper;
"The Spectrum of Human Techno- Hybridity: The Total Recall Effect"
tinyurl.com...

She speaks of a Timothy Taylor (might be familiar to those paying attention) that has had a number of companies under his belt working with biologics and medical trials for procedures. Here is one that is quite interesting;

Quick Overview;
The laser-scripting process involves the contemporary use of light to change information at the cellular level of the human body.

Here is it being applied;



The laser-etching procedure is remarkable and almost like something found in a science fiction story. A non-biological object, in this case ceramic, metal, or allograft bone, is coded to resemble human bone through a process that involves a laser that works at the molecular level. The laser is one the most sophisticated in the world. Scientists etch the implant, photon by photon.





"The laser-scripting process involves the contemporary use of light to change information at the cellular level of the human body. This procedure is called biophotonics, which is the application of lasers and light to biological tissues and cells to shift their contents and their information."


Then we have a few others that are close to the RFI case all reposting the same post about "Photonic Light Transfer"? Which did seem a little random....

What is Photonic Transfer Light Transfer?
Photonics is the control, manipulation, transfer and storage of information using light/ lasers etc
If you want to read up more on this;
tinyurl.com...

Also of note is that she has also mentioned meta materials in a recent interview and that some of the "debris" she was "shown" was thin and was like "frogskin". Just sounds like something from Taylors medical company....

hey ho... lunch is over..
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posted on Jan, 29 2019 @ 09:00 AM
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Pigs totally fascinating!!



Then we have a few others that are close to the RFI case all reposting the same post about "Photonic Light Transfer"? Which did seem a little random.... 


That is all part of the David Rochon material. John Burroughs was supposedly going to enlighten the public who he/ they were.

It never occured.

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posted on Jan, 29 2019 @ 09:07 AM
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I wonder if you could change someones DNA / Genetics at the cellular with such a laser....But that would be very specific... how about a flash of this light...if you were enveloped within it..that would change everything
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posted on Jan, 29 2019 @ 09:14 AM
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a reply to: pigsy2400

I see you got your thinking hat on!



posted on Jan, 29 2019 @ 12:44 PM
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a reply to: Baablacksheep

Maybe the biological effects of people's interactions with high strangeness or whatever the hell you want to call it, have been studied and then intelligent people have just worked backwards from the effects to a cause. So much so, that they can recreate the cause themselves from a scientific basis with technology that is already available.

"Reverse engineering" gets mooted around ufology to the point alot of people ignore it, but the effects on people with interactions with "it" can easily be studied and could be viewed quite simply as walking and talking nodes of information. We know this has / is apparently happening.

Now imagine if the consciousness lot got all technological......!



posted on Jan, 29 2019 @ 02:54 PM
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That document also refers to


Contemporary research into human memory and media reveals that films and media change the ways in which memory functions, and at times even supplants memories of real events. In other words, films and media have the capacity to implant false memories, thereby changing a person’s view of his or her own past and history...

One programmer (interviewed by the author in 2016) revealed that he often had de´ja` vu but had the vague recognition that he was recalling not something from his real life, but something that he had experienced in his virtual reality. Much like Quail in Total Recall, he really could not tell the difference between his memories based on historical events and the memories he gleaned from his virtual experiences...

The second lesson from the Total Recall movies is that virtual memories are implanted via consumerist and entertainment organizations. In the movie, the company Rekall is a business that sells vacations and entertainment products, and it is implanting memories that are based not on historical events but on virtual memories. One need not go far to find such companies in real life. There is a new genre of film and media, called, ironically, ‘‘specialist factual,’’ that intentionally blurs the boundaries between historical events and virtual events, and a lot of its
products are created for an audience of children....


Hmm much food for thought there. Keep your comments entertaining.


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posted on Jan, 29 2019 @ 04:34 PM
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I thought it was a great interview. Thank you.



posted on Jan, 30 2019 @ 03:58 PM
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Now imagine if the consciousness lot got all technological......!


Then what?



posted on Jan, 31 2019 @ 06:08 AM
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They could dream of electric sheep.



posted on Feb, 1 2019 @ 06:00 AM
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originally posted by: pigsy2400
a reply to: Baablacksheep

I wonder if you could change someones DNA / Genetics at the cellular with such a laser....But that would be very specific... how about a flash of this light...if you were enveloped within it..that would change everything


I'm going to take this a little left of the field because...well, because I can.

I watched the two part Storyville documentary about Waco that is currently on BBC iplayer and in part one there is a brief delving into a "vision" that David Koresh had while he was in Israel in 1985. He claimed to have been "enveloped" in a light before being taken beyond the constellation of Orion to a civilisation so advanced that they had all sorts of laser technology and were able to use lasers to travel through time and space. Evidently, Koresh only talked about this experience very rarely and to only his most advanced students, however he did talk about it to his FBI negotiators during the siege itself and claimed that it was related to the angels that the Soviet Cosmonauts had seen in 1984, that they were the same angels that had come and carried him to wherever it was he went.

The cosmonauts, aboard the space station, claimed to have also been enveloped in a light, an orange one, which upon closer inspection contained giant beings with wing-spans the size of jumbo jets and misty halos - seven of them no less. These "angels" appeared on two occasions, several days apart. The articles that I have read on the subject claim that this was a "normal" occurrence and that Cosmonauts were sworn to secrecy, except these ones seemingly. The story was published in the 1985 New Year edition of Parade magazine, one of the most widely read publications in the US (I believe).

The Branch Davidians, the sect that Koresh joined already had a basis in faith that embraced "flying saucers" as being Merkabah, or Chariots of God as described in the bible (Psalm 68:17 amongst others evidently). The branch from which the Davidians branched, the Shepherd's Rod, was led by a chap called Victor Tasho Houteff. In 1951 he was claiming that flying saucers were evidence of God. The Branch Davidian's founder Ben Roden described "Heaven's flying saucers" and "God's travelling throne" in his writings, Koresh's vision, the cosmonauts seven angels provided confirmation of those beliefs. The documentary doesn't really go into all this but understanding this does help you to understand the way in which some of Koresh's followers regret not dying along side him.

All this was a round about way of getting to the nature of being enveloped by light and it "changing everything". The cosmonauts were all thoroughly tested and examined. Nothing untoward was noted. All of those who witnessed the angels were described as being very positive about the experience, it was to them something wonderful.

Again and again it appears that beyond the obvious differences of how such enveloping lights manifest themselves according to culture, there also seems to be an aspect of trauma that is most prevalent in the US experience, even when those experiences are not in the US.

As I understood it, only Burroughs was "enveloped" in light and he suffered physical trauma. Everyone else seems to have at least been spooked or made fearful. This doesn't to me sound like the same light that enveloped the cosmonauts or Koresh for that matter. Or Saul on the Road to Damascus.

Military physicians were using hypnosis as a means of treating battle fatigue before the first world war.

“When I speak about the war as an event, as the cause of the illness...it is not only the bloody war which leaves such devastating traces in those who took part in it...it is also the difficult conflict in which the individual finds himself in his fight against a world transformed by war...

...Wherever the neurosis is the result of single debilitation of the personality complex that occurred in a particular war experience, we are able, by means of suggestion, temporarily to interpolate our own healthy ego as a catalyst and thereby re-establish the unity of the fractured personality. These are the cases in which a single session is usually enough to bring about a cure.

If, however, we are unable to cure a war neurosis by means of suggestive hypnosis, we must not abandon the patient to his fate and send him home untreated...Instead we must tell ourselves that we have not yet touched upon the real reason, the non-physical cause of his suffering. We must do everything that psychoanalytical work offers today to find a cure which reduces any further increase of the already unnecessarily large number of men who are crippled by war...

...If we keep in mind that that physical sensitivity is merely the external symptom of an internal, strongly repressed affect, it then becomes clear that any forceful attempt to suggest away such a symptom does nothing more that close a safety valve which the organism had created to compensate for any inordinate amount of internal psychic pressure.
If such a cure lasts, which in my experience is frequently not the case, it obviously implies certain dangers for the patient.
Namely, the release may violently take a different tack; I have often observed unmotivated outbursts of rage or other forms of “hysterical attacks” as a result of suggestion cures. Consideration of the possibility of strongly repressed affects is essential...

...the reader will realise...the self-assertion of the organism as it articulates itself in neurosis ultimately signifies self-protection in the face of the threat of psychosis.

Whatever in a person’s experience is too powerful or horrible for his conscious mind to grasp and work through, filters down to the unconscious levels of the psyche. There it lies like a mine, waiting to explode the entire psychic structure. And only the self-protective mechanism, with its release of waves of affect, and its attachment to a single organ, to external symptoms, and to symptomatic actions prevents a permanent disturbance of the psychic balance.

In this way, following the work of Freud and his school, another medical border that seemed fixed has become mutable. We recognise that functional psychoses are merely gradual intensifications of functional neuroses.

Ernst Simmel - War Neuroses and ‘Psychic Trauma’ first published 1918


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posted on Feb, 1 2019 @ 06:15 AM
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Sounds like Discovery.



posted on Feb, 1 2019 @ 12:07 PM
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originally posted by: KilgoreTrout
As I understood it, only Burroughs was "enveloped" in light and he suffered physical trauma. Everyone else seems to have at least been spooked or made fearful. This doesn't to me sound like the same light that enveloped the cosmonauts or Koresh for that matter.


Let us not forget that Sgt Adrian Bustinza's arm was caught in the same light, and most likely is the other airman who successfully received compensation as well as Burroughs.



PS: Sorry if I go off on a tangent, but Bustinza is still the one RFI character who intrigues me more than any other. The Larry Warren debacle may be an over-elaborate embellishment of Bustinza's personal account and the Roberts/Ingalls pub yarn, but Bustinza's accounts (or at least one of them) remain pretty mind-blowing and the most important of all for me, perhaps emboldened by his determination to shun publicity.

Ignoring his first early interview with Fawcett (which overwhelmingly led with Warren's account) and his 2015 radio chat (contaminated by Warren's own anxious presence), his words to Ray Boeche in 1984 are still electric, made all the more plausible by contradicting previous Warren-influenced claims (eg that Bustinza was picked up by a truck and later met a convoy) plus the nature of little details and how they correlate with Halt's tape. Here's another taster (hey, this is just like old times, lol):


"I remember the animals very clearly because I bumped into the animals myself. For a while there we sort of tried to forget everything and joked around about the animals. But I was kind of glad I bumped into the animals!

... One of my patrols sighted an object of some sort... like a fire in the forest area... Col. Halt pointed to the individuals that he wanted to go with him... We started to search. One individual had said that he had spotted the object, like sitting on the ground... Then I recall that we were walking through the woods and came upon the lights again. And that's when I first saw the object, it was moving through the trees. And in the process we came upon a yellow mist about 2-or-3 feet off the ground. It was like dew, but it was yellow, like nothing I've ever seen before. We kind of like ignored it. We were worried about the other object, to see if we could locate it again or catch up to it again.

We did see the object again. It was hovering low, like moving up-and-down anywhere from 10-to-20 feet - back up, back down, back up. There was a red light on top and there were several blue lights on the bottom. But there was also like a prism, rainbow lights on top and several other colors of light. It was a tremendous size. It even surprised me that it was able to fit into the clearing. A tremendous size, and I use the word 'tremendous' carefully. It was a round, circular shape. I hate to say like a "plate", but it was thicker at the center than it was at the edge."

Bustinza and the other witnesses were ordered to form a perimeter around the object at about 15-foot intervals. After observing the object for about 30 minutes, Bustinza says it took off suddenly.

"It was gone in a flash, almost like it just disappeared. When it left, we were hit by a cold blast of wind which blew toward us for 5-or-10 seconds... It was a really scary feeling. I was just frozen in place at first, my life actually passed in front of my eyes.

... There were 2 bobbies there. Colonel Halt approached myself and Larry... Was it Larry? [sic] I'm trying to remember, I'm not too sure of the other guy's name. Halt told us to approach the individuals who at that time were standing in the grass area. They had some very sophisticated camera equipment, which wasn't unusual for the British. Halt told us to confiscate the material from the British nationals. Well, we confiscated the film and turned it over to Colonel Halt and put it into a plastic bag. Colonel Halt said it would be dealt with at a higher level of command. He didn't say exactly at what level or anything. I would assume it went to the photography department on base at the time. It could easily have been the intelligence department as well."


See what I mean? Enthralling and frustrating in equal measure since it's conveniently missing from Halt's tape. But SOMETHING about the detail provided and how it's provided is the best testimony from an RFI character (who was by Halt's side the whole time) that expands this beyond simply 'lights in the sky' and mis-identified beacons. Bustinza has no reason to BS, and has never received flak from anybody as far as I can recall.

I feel almost nostalgic, getting back to the nitty-gritty there for a moment.


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posted on Feb, 1 2019 @ 01:22 PM
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I'm not shooting the messenger of course. We have been over this before.

But whilst Halt says Adrian Bustinza was right by his side all night we can hear on the Halt tape that he was actually at the East Gate while Halt was out at the suspected landing site. Check it out.

" ... Sergeant Bustinza. Well we're outta gas... we're at east gate...east gate, over "

Also when he says:


There were 2 bobbies there. Colonel Halt approached myself and Larry... Was it Larry? [sic] I'm trying to remember, I'm not too sure of the other guy's name. Halt told us to approach the individuals who at that time were standing in the grass area. They had some very sophisticated camera equipment, which wasn't unusual for the British. Halt told us to confiscate the material from the British nationals. Well, we confiscated the film and turned it over to Colonel Halt and put it into a plastic bag


Do you not find it strange that on UK sovereign territory a USAF Colonel orders his men to confiscate equipment from HM Police force?

Halt had NO jurisdiction and this would be in breach of the law and Status of Force agreement. Nor, I suspect would the police co-operate with Bustinza or Halt.

Then of course there are Bustinza's strange tales from Mather Air Force Base see this page of the old thread.



posted on Feb, 1 2019 @ 02:57 PM
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originally posted by: mirageman
a reply to: ConfusedBrit

But whilst Halt says Adrian Bustinza was right by his side all night we can hear on the Halt tape that he was actually at the East Gate while Halt was out at the suspected landing site.


And, of course, Halt initially denied Bustinza was there at all - until Bruni cleaned up the audio - all part and parcel of Chuck's muddled skull. I don't doubt that Bustinza was there for most of the core trek, and his various accounts all seem pretty consistent. In the interests of balance, though, I was wrong earlier - James Easton revealed that Chris Armold broke a sacred mould by actually expressing "disappointment" in Bustinza...


The truth is far less sensational than the imaginative creations of folks trying to make a few quid/dollars on the side. Regarding some of your questions: First about Adrian Bustinza, yes, I'm disappointed that he would make any assertions about seeing some kind of space craft, aliens or whatever. It simply didn't happen. If there had been an encounter in the open field every person on duty at RAF Woodbridge would have seen it. Could I be mistaken about him being with us on the 2nd night? I'm sure he was with us on the afternoon, he gave me a ride on his motorcycle. It was the first and last time I have ever been on one. It scared the s# out of me! That was far more frightening and memorable than the darn UFO thing!



Okay, you wrote "Bustinza states that two helicopters were scrambled from 'Pararescue squadron', on the orders of Major Zickler. Greg Battrom also says helicopters were airborne." Hahahahahahahahhahahhaahhahahah, that is so f#ing funny, please excuse my language but that is hilarious! No way, absolutely no way. First of all Major Zickler couldn't order an airman from the motor pool to fill up his car with gas let alone scramble a couple of helicopters! In addition, the 67th ARRS guys were essentially on holiday. I doubt there was anyone around to scramble in addition to the fact that they didn't have "alert" choppers! A major in a Security Police squadron does not have the authority to do that. Were there helicopters involved. No, not one time, never. Why would there be? What sense would it make? None, zero, nada. It's pure BS.


He comes across as a fairly bullish, unpleasant chap. And talking of the limits of authority...



Do you not find it strange that on UK sovereign territory a USAF Colonel orders his men to confiscate equipment from HM Police force? Halt had NO jurisdiction and this would be in breach of the law and Status of Force agreement. Nor, I suspect would the police co-operate with Bustinza or Halt.


Well, IF the UFO incident had occurred as Bustinza described, two boggle-eyed British Coppers could have willingly thrown out the rule book and come to some sort of compromise with Halt in terms of discussing his own future liaison with British authorities. The 'unofficial' nukes in nearby US territory could have helped such a compromise. Hell, the 'Event Of The Century' had just taken place, aren't all bets off?... IF Bustinza isn't lying.

IIRC, Bruni managed to contact one of the bobbies, but he refused to speak. Come to think of it, what on earth (or off it) did the bobbies tell THEIR chuckling superiors the morning of 28th Dec? And how did Bruni know who to contact anyway?

Questions, bloody questions. Yet I still can't think of a reason for Bustinza to lie, or even be mistaken in the 1984 (not 1987) Boeche interview. Most perplexing, but fun.



posted on Feb, 1 2019 @ 04:22 PM
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Well, IF the UFO incident had occurred as Bustinza described, two boggle-eyed British Coppers could have willingly thrown out the rule book and come to some sort of compromise with Halt in terms of discussing his own future liaison with British authorities. The 'unofficial' nukes in nearby US territory could have helped such a compromise. Hell, the 'Event Of The Century' had just taken place, aren't all bets off?... IF Bustinza isn't lying.


RAF Woodbridge and RAF Bentwaters were not US territory. That's why they were still called RAF bases. They were leased to the USAF and very much part of NATO's strategic defences in Europe. But they were not considered American territory like an Embassy would be. They belonged to the British government. Service personnel would be expected to obey the law of the land they were in. Don't forget that Bustinza is claiming these officers "...had some very sophisticated camera equipment, which wasn't unusual for the British". Why did he think British Police carried sophisticated camera equipment. In rural Suffolk? Did he even see British policemen?

"Unofficial nukes" - Is this yet another factoid that has become "fact" because it has been said so often? Under which treaty were American nuclear weapons banned on British soil? The Cruise and Pershing strategic missiles would arrive 3 years later. They were not in violation of any treaties. The US and UK were both NATO allies so I am not sure where that story took hold?



IIRC, Bruni managed to contact one of the bobbies, but he refused to speak. Come to think of it, what on earth (or off it) did the bobbies tell THEIR chuckling superiors the morning of 28th Dec? And how did Bruni know who to contact anyway?


There is actually no record of any police officer attending an incident in or around the forest beyond the morning of the 26th Dec 1980.



Full police file

Georgina Bruni contacted all the officers (who calls them bobbies these days?) who were on duty during those nights for Suffolk police. These were Dave King, Martin Brophy and Brian Cresswell (who other officers thought may have been present on a later night). However when she contacted Cresswell by phone she claims she received a terse response.


I know what I saw, I know what I did and I'm not giving you any information.


If you wish you can see the pages of Bruni's book (courtesy of Google Books) concerning this matter : Link

Now if you are a writer and want to build up a mystery this is exactly how they do it in Roswell books too. The witness shows signs of anger, refuses to speak, sweats profusely, can't look you in the eye etc, etc.... But all it ultimately says is that this person confirmed nothing. Good old Stan Friedman is keen on saying "absence of evidence is not evidence of absence". Which of course is a logical fallacy. If you've got nothing, you've got nothing.


Questions, bloody questions. Yet I still can't think of a reason for Bustinza to lie, or even be mistaken in the 1984 (not 1987) Boeche interview. Most perplexing, but fun.


Well again this is another phrase often proffered in UFO cases because there is no proof something extraordinary really occurred. Maybe he didn't lie . Perhaps he's telling things as he remembered them? That could be for a number of reasons. It has been alleged these men were meddled with in some way.

Or maybe he did lie and you can't think of the reason why.



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posted on Feb, 1 2019 @ 05:14 PM
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But they were not considered American territory like an Embassy would be.


Thanks for clarifying that; the clue, as you say, being in their titles. I suppose the constant observations about USAF personnel "entering British territory" outside the gate created that borderline in my brain.


Why did he think British Police carried sophisticated camera equipment. In rural Suffolk? Did he even see British policemen?


Heh, makes me wonder what the US police in his home town carried - cardboard pinhole cameras? If no Brit officers were on duty that night, then we can reliably say he was mistaken and they were someone else in uniform - maybe Warren implanted the "bobby" notion when Bustinza spilled his story in the dorms. Hey - what about a milkman and postman with high-tech cameras? (A joke in case anyone's wondering.)


"Unofficial nukes" - Is this yet another factoid that has become "fact" because it has been said so often? Under which treaty were American nuclear weapons banned on British soil? The Cruise and Pershing strategic missiles would arrive 3 years later. They were not in violation of any treaties. The US and UK were both NATO allies so I am not sure where that story took hold?


I was under the impression that the Geneva Convention rules had banned NATO bases from housing nuclear missiles on an actual military base. Then again, do we care? Not really. Nevertheless, the USAF still remain cagey to this day and refuse to admit or deny, etc. Unless that's simply for dramatic purposes.



However when she contacted Cresswell by phone she claims she received a terse response.


I know what I saw, I know what I did and I'm not giving you any information.


Yes, it IS classic UFOtainment bait for researchers, isn't it?


As for dear old Stanton Friedman's choice to defend Roswell... like Chris Armold, I can only say that I'm... "disappointed". And it was all going so well for him until that point.



It has been alleged these men were meddled with in some way.

Or maybe [Bustinza] did lie and you can't think of the reason why.


I've never believed the "meddled with" claims (even if Doty glares at me for saying that). You know why? It's that image in my mind again of Chuck, Williams and family cheerfully bombing up in a sports car to attend La PLume's sighting in January 1981.

As for Busty lying... if I think of a reason, you'll be the first to know, MM. I'd love to corner the little fella. Where does he work now? US Dept Of Justice? I used to work under the Ministry Of Justice as a criminal Judge's Clerk for over 20 years, so maybe we could share judicial anecdotes before I charm the Truth out of him, ie get him blind drunk.



posted on Feb, 1 2019 @ 05:14 PM
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Or maybe he did lie and you can't think of the reason why. 


Food for thought.




posted on Feb, 1 2019 @ 05:40 PM
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Or maybe he did lie and you can't think of the reason why. 

Food for thought.


Indeed, Baa. Shall we set the dinner table and menu to ruminate over possible reasons?


What would you propose for the Starter before the Main Course?

Boeche, Fawcett and Bruni slipped him a few quid and Halt's old sports car on the side for his troubles? (joke) Too simple. We need Drama.


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