Rendlesham Forest 1980 Pt II - Will There Be An Answer?

a reply to: mirageman

Food for thought MM, food for thought !

a reply to: mirageman

and in recent times our(US) embassies have been attacked with the staff there saying they were hearing ear splitting sounds(not audible to voice recorders) that even had some physical effects. The reports even made it into the mainstream news, i believe it was in Cuba and recently somewhere else.

back in the 80's we had to install RF shields in the offices of state department personnel as the russians were beaming god knows what at them.


A bunch of years ago i was in NYC with a GF and they had an ad up that used directed sound that sounded like whispering in your ear, granted that was for a scary movie and just focused sound but it definitely made me stop in my tracks. then i saw the billboard.

i can imagine hearing voices in your head without a source would be very compelling depending on who it was used against(the branch davidians).

but it's one thing to induce sounds and another to induce a coherent 'vision' or hallucination in a person let alone a group. i imagine sound would be low bandwidth compaired to visual stimuli.

but i think you are on the right track with the communication thing.


if i wanted a untappable, high bandwidth communication system what would i use.... lasers? pulsed lasers? high energy pulses can emit all sorts of 'radiation' and look like glowing plasma.

maybe someone on accident found out that they could irradiate troops with this new communication system(now weapon system) and it would leave no physical evidence(like a normal bomb or bullet fragment).

they wer5e clearly messing with highly technical comm systems there, why not this laser system.

mix the test in with some highly advanced aircraft(maybe thats where the test came from) and maybe even messing with the airmens memory(via MK ULTRA stuff) and i think you have an idea of where im going with this.

white world laser comm systems with Tb/sec speeds
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I just found this:

SAS soldiers pranking the Americans

But a British X-Files expert told the Daily Express the incident was an SAS practical joke after the Americans took one of theirs squads hostage.

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It said: “A great deal of nocturnal Christmas fun was had at the expense of the USAF – and the matter should have ended there.

“Unfortunately, a senior US officer (Lt Col Halt) led the US contingent out into the forest on the second night and took along his tape recorder."

I DO remember it was said that the officers were noticed to mostly spend their time observing the soldier's reactions. If that was on the second night, that may have been at a time when they KNEW it was just a prank, and they used it as a training exercise to see how their soldiers held up.

What thinks?

Just another level of misinformation, or the Brits "taking the piss"?

a reply to: Uberdoubter

The Scum is the trashiest of all trash tabloids and all they have done is lifted Dr. David Clarke's story.

I don't believe he would agree with their claim that he is an 'alien fanatic'.

Alien fanatic Dr. David Clarke said: "After their release, the troopers made no complaint at their rough treatment but were determined to get their own back on the USAF.

Nor does he claim this to be the answer to the RFI. I find it highly unlikely that SAS troops would be roughly interrogated on what was still technically an RAF base. Would SAS troops have been reconnoitring the base for weeks before as suggested by the source in Clarke's article? Then would these men waste 3 days of a Christmas break in a forest winding up the Americans? Not forgetting that US troops carried live ammunition.

Also how good was the new base surveillance equipment? It could detect SAS troops' black parachutes in a forest but then for 3 days in December were useless to detect "Black helium balloons coupled to remote-controlled kites carried suspended materials into the sky, activated by radio-controls."

Nah!

a reply to: mirageman

Talking of Dr Clarke I see Nick Pope extremely condescending toward him today . Hes a pretty shifty piece of work is Pope.

originally posted by: mirageman
a reply to: Uberdoubter

The Scum is the trashiest of all trash tabloids and all they have done is lifted Dr. David Clarke's story.

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Nah!

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The usual stuff like "it was just the lighthouse" does not hold water from any angle, while there undoubtedly is an air of "Want to seem important and sell books" to a lot of the theories that pops up.

I do find the "Officers seemed more concerned with monitoring the soldiers' reaction" angle interesting. If that is a correct recollection/observation, that must have been because of either a) "Since we're already out here in the woods and looking for a lighthouse, we might just as well see how well the guys hold up" or b) Something else - something designed to be a test from the beginning.

With it being 38yrs and a handfull of days after the incident (whatever it was), the nights the incident took place have always been really the only days that have been discussed, due to the actual incident(s).

I wonder what those involved, thought and felt individually about it all in the days that followed.....thier thought processes,.coming to terms with the event and so on...

Before all of the falling out, binaries, notebooks, aliens, time travel, personal attacks etc etc... I'm talking more the personal effect on them as people/individuals, even if its eventually but not likely explained away..I find those days most interesting out of it all...

a reply to: pigsy2400

I wonder what those involved, thought and felt individually about it all in the days that followed.....thier thought processes,.coming to terms with the event and so on

Yes?

a reply to: Baablacksheep

Just wondering / thinking outloud in regards to what they made of it all before all the other stuff came along...what was going through the minds in regards to all..

a reply to: mirageman

I think The Sun have grossly misrepresented what Clarke wrote, and his own position. He's no 'alien fanatic' and regardless of the status of the RFI, the SAAS story makes no sense. To the point he might have some sort of legal recourse.

Having said that, I've encountered part of this story a long time ago.

I can't help but feel that Dr Clarke subtly changed his position around the time he found that National Archives were holding things back. That he is more certain of something being hidden now, he's just not sure what. I believe he might literally say this somewhere.

My guess is that Frank's story emerged around the time that Dr Clarke felt frustrated by document release.

My only question is why he would pay attention to this Frank's story when he must get told so many spurious stories?

a reply to: pigsy2400

Am afraid I don't do mind reading Pig's but get your drift.

www.rt.com/news/447843-rendlesham-forest-ufo-revenge-prank/

www.rt.com...

TextReported in detail by ranking military personnel, the 1980 UFO sightings in Suffolk's Rendlesham Forest, spawned their own cottage industry of speculation. But now a leading ufologist says it was all just a vengeful prank. Thirty-eight years ago, on three nights between December 26 and 28, different sets of US Air Force personnel stationed at the RAF Woodbridge base, which reportedly housed nuclear warheads, witnessed bright orange, red, blue and white lights in the sky. Sent out to further investigate, one serviceman on patrol reported a “smooth, opaque, black glass” craft on the forest floor, covered in incomprehensible hieroglyphs, while on another night a different team encountered an object the size of a basketball turn into a spaceship, and had a “silent standoff” with what appeared to be a humanoid alien. The team, some of whom have since been diagnosed with PTSD, said that indentations in the ground, damage to the forest, and abnormal radiation readings proved that these were not mass hallucinations.

a reply to: FlyingFox

Yawn...

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a reply to: Baablacksheep

I find the timing of this nonsense rather interesting.....

I wonder if this a counter to the "new information" that's allegedly incoming, pour more doubt on it before something real this way comes.

If John is to be believed we don't know it, but at the same time not ground breaking either.

I personally think it will be something in regards to final acknowledgment in regards to testing of weapons or that nukes were actually stored there. Which we all know as much anyway, but just officially confirmation of said facts.

a reply to: pigsy2400

I think you are playing the guessing game Pig's?

a reply to: Baablacksheep

Well duh!

Not even any of those things...just probably something we have suspected that will be confirmed.. Hence "not groundbreaking"

a reply to: pigsy2400

Maybe Pig's, maybe not?

a reply to: mirageman

Yes, another winters tale regarding RFI, I'm sure dr Clarke will not like being called an alien fanatic he's just a folking folklore researcher, but that's the sun comic for you.
Dr Clarke now believes that something strange happened at the Forrest but doesn't know what.

a reply to: wobbs62

Underlying it all is the ongoing spat between Messrs Pope and Clarke. "My ufology is better than you folklording it!" Of course Pope tried to block MoD document releases that involved his own comments and thoughts.

In the Scum online (which Pope often contributes articles to) he says

MoD insider Nick Pope, who ran the UK's official UFO project, also weighed in on the SAS prank claims.

He told Sun Online: "I'm skeptical of this latest theory and in evidential terms it's worthless: a ufologist claims someone contacted him, claiming to be in the SAS, and claiming the events were attributable to a prank...

It's a classic friend of a friend story. Ironically it's ufologists like Clarke who get pranked all the time, by people making unverifiable claims about UFOs that play to the belief system of the particular ufologist concerned, whether they are a believer or a skeptic.

"The problem is that ufologists don't have the specialist military or intelligence knowledge to assess such claims or to vet the identity of the people making them.

"Having run the Ministry of Defence's UFO project and having undertaken a cold case review of the incident I can categorically confirm that no explanation for the Rendlesham Forest incident was ever found.

"We looked at all the theories - and the claim that this was a prank isn't new - and none of them fit the facts. My cold case review was the last of the various official investigations into these events, so while the MoD terminated its UFO project in 2009, this means that the official verdict is that the case remains unexplained...

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Although Clarke seems to be slowly releasing tiny snippets of information that suggest he has found something that all was not as it seems with the original release of the UK MoD's UFO documents. Pope is obviously determined to belittle Clarke. Even though he has never said he believes the story either!

a reply to: mirageman

Pope is obviously determined to belittle Clarke. 

Not very big of Pope is it? The world's leading UFO researcher and all . Cough....