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Rendlesham Forest 1980 Pt II - Will There Be An Answer?

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posted on Nov, 1 2018 @ 11:59 AM
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a reply to: AdamE

Thanks for understanding.

In my view, the Stuart Hameroff / Penrose interpretation of theorized
quantum consciousness (it's a theory..) is missing the mark badly.

I did write a little note on this subject and sent it to Eric Davis
with the blessing of one of the (at the time) involved scientists.

Frankly, I don't think that we will 'understand consciousness anytime
soon. Heck, just "Global Workspace Theory", a popular neurology-only
theory, with no woo whatsoever, has much to say for it.

Now as to why John didn't sense anything?

That makes perfect sense to me.. humans are the VERY JUNIOR PARTNER
in all this.. there's this huge game of chess.. being played outside of
normal space and time.. and the chess pieces (us) aren't invited to
a view of the table.

That's an anthropomorphic answer.

A more 'scientific one' is that as far as I know.. from my 50 years of
studying this stuff (I was studying this stuff before the 'guys' even
founded SRI spooky stuff)..

is that in my view, it's the hormones and neuropeptides which link
us to the phenomenon, not cranial neurons in any way.

For example, "Kundalini" has to be developed.. to enhance hormone
levels and neuropeptide distribution in the body.. eventually making
its way to the brain.. but it takes YEARS.

"quantum consciousness" does not exist as far as I know.. except
in parts of the body other than the brain..

This is also why "UAPs/the Phenomenon" always stirr up hormones..
of fear usually.. though there are other ways".

It's sad that I have nobody to collaborate with.. but I guess it's just
more of that chessboard type stuff.

Hopefully that gives you something to think about.

Kev
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posted on Nov, 1 2018 @ 01:30 PM
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Hopefully that gives you something to think about.


It will. I will also send you a personal PM that I do not expect to be divulged in any public discussion on this thread.

While I do that, maybe Baa can elaborate on what was meant by the link between 'The Nine and the RFI?' (unless baa has and I missed the comments?

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posted on Nov, 1 2018 @ 01:39 PM
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a reply to: AdamE

Of course.

I'm very literal. Give me no wiggle room and it's
private 100%.

Kev



posted on Nov, 1 2018 @ 03:28 PM
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a reply to: AdamE

Thanks Adam for that reply. Let's just say your moniker did suggest that there was possibly some connection with the ADAM project.



I'm not convinced that anything allegedly found at Rendlesham (or Roswell) is (or at least was) connected to UFO cases. If it is claimed that they do then I will be mighty suspicious what those TTSA boys are up to.



posted on Nov, 1 2018 @ 03:43 PM
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a reply to: mirageman

UFOlogy is the study of the USA Government's deception
and mind control experimentation programs +
misidentification, mostly by the overly credulous +
a dash of the 'paranormal'.

So that means nothing really happened at RFI or Roswell
(or elsewhere)




posted on Nov, 1 2018 @ 11:06 PM
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a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Please provide documentation to demonstrate all of this is factual . If you are unable to do so Kev then all this is simply opinion. Right?


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posted on Nov, 1 2018 @ 11:16 PM
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I'm not convinced that anything allegedly found at Rendlesham (or Roswell) is (or at least was) connected to UFO cases.


That is an interesting comment. Can you expand on this?
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posted on Nov, 2 2018 @ 07:17 AM
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OK well you asked for it.

For those people who don't follow ufology generally and are fixated on this one case then I'll repeat myself yet again. Although the blind will continue to keep their sunglasses on because this is not their truth.

Roswell and Rendlesham are the two main pillars on which American UFOtainment stands. If they both crumble then the whole UFO entertainment industry would probably collapse over night with them. TTSA are playing to the 'gullible believers' by utilizing these two stories for their own entertainment plans. They will feature in their upcoming documentaries.

The records show that nothing important crashed in Roswell. Especially not magic materials. All the information from the time points to a debris field and materials consistent with a Mogul balloon. Jesse Marcel may not have been able to break or burn it. But whatever it was had come apart so was hardly indestructible. No spaceship parts were found or even these mysterious bismuth/magnesium layered materials that people are getting all excited about.

The Roswell Daily Record 9th July 1947 said the wreckage was made up of rubber strips, tinfoil, a rather tough paper and sticks. Consistent with a Mogul balloon train as reported in Air Force report The Roswell Report: Fact versus Fiction in the New Mexico Desert


Although maybe alien spaceships are built from the same materials.

At Rendlesham there is no documented proof that any craft actually existed in the MoD files or USAF witness statements. Only Halt's memo mentions a craft that he didn't actually witness. Nor do we know where that description came from.

TTSA is a joke. Tom DeLonge first babbled incoherently. Then we have Lue Elizondo a man who headed a Government Program assessing the threat from future weaponry passing it off as a UFO study when resigned (oh no he actually retired sorry) just in time to join TTSA that he'd never heard of. But he had earlier spoke with Tom DeLonge as both of them have confirmed in interviews. Elizondo knows very little about UFOs. He has already dressed up his answer about Roswell to make it sound like something the government is covering up..in his talk in Rome



.... in the 1940s, we had the Roswell incident. I’m not going to speculate in this room what crashed at Roswell. But those of you who are familiar with the world of intelligence, know that a military response is usually symmetrical to the incident. A crashed weather balloon does not usually merit the response of a colonel, several flat bed, military vehicles and an armed force....


That statement looks like he's confirming something big happened. But there was no military response with several flat bed military vehicles and an armed force if you check the above report. There would also be a massive security response but no extra men were deployed to the Roswell AAF Base.

In fact Roswell was never even a story until 1978 when Stan Friedman coaxed Marcel (who was base intelligence officer) to go on record. Marcel never once mentioned aliens. Even as that story was breaking Peter Gersten uncovered various documents that shows the material found was an "experimental kite". See video clip below.

In Search of (Roswell)

Zondo also told the crowd in Rome that were photos and hundreds of witnesses to the Washington DC sightings in 1952. No there weren't. He should know from checking Project Blue Book files which are readily available that there around a dozen witnesses and there is no film footage and photos were not taken. So is he badly informed or just a willing participant in spreading commonly held, but incorrect, beliefs?

There's plenty of other reasons to be suspect of TTSA. This could be like the Roswell slides all over again. People invested in that so deeply then it all collapsed under scrutiny.

Many people appear to have been silenced by TTSA in NDAs including journalists and 'personalities' in the UFOtainment sphere. Bringing them under control based on promises of what's to come. Will they ever deliver anything? We shall have to see. This is all smells of an operation of some sorts.

But people are free to believe what they want. Disclosure is coming and it always will be.


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posted on Nov, 2 2018 @ 09:32 AM
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I'll let MM handle it..

But if you'd like.. there's something like a half a dozen
good books that drive the point home really, really well;
hard to even argue with the authors, to include at
a minimum:

"The Greys Have Been Framed: Exploitation in the UFO Community"
'The Roswell UFO Conspiracy: Exposing A Shocking And Sinister Secret"
"The Rosetta Deception"

No hyperbole. Only facts.

Now.. there's still the 'phenomenon' angle.. but it's not nearly
as clear in book form.. I'd have to wave about a dozen book
at you..

I think I should write up a full book list.

PS:

I see that MM didn't mention project Palladium.
That is also extremely well-documented.

In fact, UFO deception is so well documented,
with FOI documents and the whole kit and kaboodle,
that nearly every single corner of UFOlogy has been
shown to be fake.

The only reason people still believe in UFOs is that
they will continue to do so, no matter how much
evidence points to the contrary.. and yes.. due
to the 'phenomenon' sometimes augmenting
situations to appear to be UFOs. But that might
only account for less than 1% of cases.. and
that 'phenomenon' is a psychological phenomenon
at the point where the unconscious mind interfaces
with certain fields of physics, and has nothing
whatsoever to do with "UFOs" in specific..
any more than seeing the virgin mary in
burritos, or experiencing a poltergeist.
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posted on Nov, 2 2018 @ 09:36 AM
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Do you have documentry evidence Kev? Yes or no?




posted on Nov, 2 2018 @ 09:45 AM
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a reply to: Baablacksheep

YES.

Read the first 3 books on the list, then get back to me.

In fairness, I must say that those books show in written
foi documentation form, that Roswell and other famous cases
are simple deception.. but those particular books
don't talk about RFI much.

So if that's your point.. that might be valid.

But as you know.. RFI has less solid evidence than
even Roswell, and Roswell is totally and permanently
debunked in my view.

You'll need to come to your own decision based on
the written evidence.

Kev



posted on Nov, 2 2018 @ 09:45 AM
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a reply to: mirageman

Thanks Mirageman am thinking about it all.




posted on Nov, 2 2018 @ 09:47 AM
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a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

I suggest you tell all this to John Burroughs.

I shall leave it there. For now.




posted on Nov, 2 2018 @ 09:55 AM
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originally posted by: Baablacksheep
a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

I suggest you tell all this to John Burroughs.

I shall leave it there. For now.



I"m not saying that JB didn't get hit with some radiation.
It seems that he did.

But that does not, a UFO make.

I also personally believe, that JP had his head moodled
by the Phenomenon.

But that does not a UFO make either.

Kev



posted on Nov, 2 2018 @ 10:38 AM
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One hope's there are some good guys/gals and humans! somewhere in the mix?


But in the meantime, Phyllis Nelson


Thanks for the Dr. Sidney Gottlieb tip Baa.


Project MKULTRA, The CIA's Program Of Research In Behavioral Modification MKULTRA Subproject No. 83 This declassified CIA memo was written on April 18, 1958 by Dr. Sidney Gottlieb, chief of the Chemical Division of the agency's Technical Services Staff. Gottlieb, who oversaw many of the MKULTRA projects, reviewed covert CIA support for research studies of "controversial and misunderstood" areas of psychology such as hypnosis, truth drugs, psychic powers and subliminal persuasion.

www.andrew.cmu.edu...

secretsun.blogspot.com...

Still looking into this information. May well be the lead we have been looking for in the sense of possibly summoning things paranormal to scare the bejollop out of an enemy?
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posted on Nov, 2 2018 @ 11:05 AM
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Just one more thing of note. The link may well be Radars. Whatever the explanations were? (in the generation of extremely high microwave frequencies in an area with historical phenomena known by those in the nine)?
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posted on Nov, 2 2018 @ 11:07 AM
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Adam,

Please read "the Greys have been Framed".

It's mostly about MKUltra.

It is extremely eye-opening.

I'd call it the best book about 'UFOlogy'.

I think that The Gut mentioned it originally..
he was SO correct.

Kev



posted on Nov, 2 2018 @ 12:09 PM
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posted on Nov, 2 2018 @ 12:44 PM
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a reply to: pigsy2400

A big storm. There is quite the agenda taking place.


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posted on Nov, 2 2018 @ 01:02 PM
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A speculatic look outside the box, and one could see the flying triangles that have been reported my well be something we have created to generate similar effects. Now there is a thought. May also explain the sightings over the ranch, to generate a phenomena, whatever it is? By jove, maybe they sometimes crash?

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