Rendlesham Forest 1980 Pt II - Will There Be An Answer?

a reply to: ctj83

Jacques and I talked extensively about those materials,
several years before TTSA even existed.

So... I really hope the Hoffoleros (patterned after
Bandoleros) don't embarrass themselves further.

But we all know that they will.

Kev

a reply to: mirageman

First night could well have been confusion caused by the bright comet passing overhead and a number of other phenomena in the area that confused the first patrol.

It's actually possible, that just the mania caused by the comet
could have caused 'mass hysteria', and that certainly loosely
wound people worked themselves into such a frenzy, that they
either had a schizoid break, or actually did 'summon' something.

You probably haven't studied it, but 'hysteria' due to say drumming
and dancing and chanting causes physiological effects that I've
noted, CAN actually involved the "Phenomenon".

This is the 'accidental summoning' explanation.

or conversely just,

the 'mass hysteria explanation'.

Maybe even some of those skull beams helped things along..
and that's what zapped JB.. something fairly obviously
did zap him at some point of his military career..

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Have you heard much about the Duracell bunny?

originally posted by: Baablacksheep
a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Have you heard much about the Duracell bunny?

No!

(rubs hands together, waiting for a fun story)

PS:

Don't tell me that people started seeing this! ? !

www.youtube.com...

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

I was teasing you Kev.

Funny video too!!

Somebody who knows more about simple astronomy pls
correct me;

en.wikipedia.org...

was undergoing the Perseid meteor shower, correct? or do
I have that wrong..

and RFI was undergoing the Geminid metoery shower in
December, right?

I've not heard anyone discuss this. So maybe i have it wrong.

There's a reason that I mentioned Lakenheath of course.

a reply to: Baablacksheep

Are you teasing about how much I post sometimes?

I used to have hypographia.. it's been documented for
5000 years that's a side effect of when "Kundalini"
enters the brain and rewires it.

I barely write like I used to.. I could rip out a 300
page book in a month.

I know of a man who did that in a day... in poetry..

originally posted by: ctj83
a reply to: The GUT

LaPlume isn't a witness to the event though, he did witness something perhaps, but it's not necessarily related.

Whilst I think you might be onto something, I find odd GUT is that you are identifying or associating posters as Camper when they clearly aren't. like many on here, I'm intrigued but I can't see the connections. If you know something more, something relevant, then it would be useful to share it here. Or, alternatively not and keep it quiet I guess but I strongly suspect that you are being intentionally distracted

My interest isn't RFI as an E.T. event these days so I apologize for anything considered off-topic and I'll bow out for now after I address this.

To begin, like it or not, LaPlume is considered a part of the story. Not only by some of the researchers and authors, but he's been accepted in the community of those who were there. Your opinion seems different on that aspect--and that's okay---but the fact remains. Further, I find him an interesting witness to those times in a way that I don't find Penniston for example.

As far as Frank, first things first: LaPlume himself recognized him in the Live To Spend It thread. After that it gets a little more complicated and as much as I want to, there are things I can't address because of ATS T&C's. Mainly much of what I either know or suspect came--initially--through PM's and that ties my hands greatly. Recent interactions did give me a piece of information I didn't have before.

This all bled over into real life a few years ago and involved a woman who seemingly jumped ship--and her boyfriend of many personalities--to ride the well-masted good ship GUT. 'Seemingly' I said because with the kind of folk you find surrounding some of these subject matters you can seldom decipher their true intent. Definitely some teamwork going on though imo. So between confidential pm's and trying to be somewhat of a gentleman that's all I can say about that. I sincerely proffer that I'm not trying to be mysterious but I couldn't blame anyone for thinking so.

Another aspect is, admittedly, although I'm much closer to personal conclusions about who is who and how they're connected, I still have a few outstanding threads of information that I can only guess at as to how they fit. That's why I had to use the opportunity when a certain poster showed up here and elsewhere on the boards.

Was the troll Frank? With what I recently found out probably not, but are they connected? Probably so. I don't feel like an idiot for pursuing something so personal with me, but I do feel embarrassed for feeling the need to give some sort of partial explanation. I do understand why some of y'all have questions, however, so there ya' go and it's the best I can do.

So sorry to have made you so sad-faced. I feel your pain.

a reply to: The GUT

Godric and Aro are or were certainly connected to something. A pity Godric was got rid of .

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Yes was teasing you re your posting. But not in any nasty way. You really seem to have dedicated so much of your life to all of this.

originally posted by: Baablacksheep
a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Yes was teasing you re your posting. But not in any nasty way. You really seem to have dedicated so much of your life to all of this.

when this kind of stuff takes you over, either it drives you insane or kills you,
or very rarely, the individual muddles their way through it.. by coming to
understand what has happened to them, and in fact masters the affliction.

But even then.. the affliction changes you for life.

Sorry for the off-topic.. but you did ask..

and really.. JP and Osborn and others have the same affliction
that I do.. as well as some people in TTSA.. that I have talked
to personally.

So really.. 'this stuff' is not off-topic.

In fact, other than CIA/MiC deception... it's really the smoking
gun.

Kev

originally posted by: The GUT
event these days so I apologize for anything considered off topic and I'll bow out for now after I address this.

To begin, like it or not, LaPlume is considered a part of the story. Not only by some of the researchers and authors, but he's been accepted in the community of those who were there. Your opinion seems different on that aspect--and that's okay---but the fact remains. Further, I find him an interesting witness to those times in a way that I don't find Penniston for example.

LaPLume's account is important, not least for revealing the attitude of Halt and Williams some three weeks after the RFI and just after the Halt's memo was sent. That they regarded it as a jolly jaunt when they tried to witness LaPLume's "lights" (before the 'major' structured craft he saw later the same night) almost pours a bucket of water over the RFI being anything other than blokes simply chasing lights in a forest and field - no 'landing', no secret op, and certainly no alien contact.

But when Halt, years later, goes above and beyond other witnesses in claiming an ET explanation, how on earth can that tally with LaPlume's bemusement over Halt, Williams (and family!) treating the event almost as a joke?

If we take LaPLume's word for it, of course. Like Bustinza's story, it's an element of the case that always niggles and confuses me further. LaPlume deciding to NOT report the later massive structured craft is another sticking point - did he not do so precisely because of Halt & Co's light-hearted attitude? That makes little sense since it was surely his duty to report it in any case - which makes me doubt the second sighting was as elaborate as he claims.

a reply to: ConfusedBrit

If you haven't noticed.. this 'kind of stuff' stirrs the brains of people..
even if originally Halt and crew were just joking about 'jolly jaunts',
it's entirely feasible that the 'mass hysteria' or even 'corruption by
the phenomenon' (if you want to go there) can jump from person
to person, causing history to be revised multiple times over decades.

I don't read much into "reversals of opinion".

It could be that TTSA type deceivers 'got to' various people.. but
the simple psychological explanation works as well.

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Textthe affliction changes you for life. 

Yes!

Good point made by Kev.


Oh, and Jerry Cohen's POV was an interesting - and exhausting - read, successfully dismantling some of Ian Ridpath's cheekier methods of supporting his own theory.

His analysis underlined for me how Penniston and Burrough's curious collection of lights (or 'object') matched Nevels' description two nights later, ie a red/orange sphere above a wide, conical red/orange beam with blue lights swirling in/around it and with a white light beneath... which promptly disappeared as soon as Halt & Co climbed a fence - which is also (IIRC) what Burroughs said happened when they reached the fence. But why? Was there only a certain angle that the lights could be seen in that particular formation? A natural optical illusion that fused lighthouse beams, house lights and beacons into something that looked damn strange at certain points in the forest, but dissipated from the vantage point of the fence itself?

One important point from Cohen is that no airmen on the first night reported "flashing" lights - crucial to Ridpath's theory for 25th/26th Dec and wrongly attributed to witness accounts by his mate Thurkettle.

a reply to: The GUT

Thanks GUT, I’m unsure if LaPlume is connected to the three nights, I believe his sighting.

Thanks for what you’ve illuminated and hinted at.

I can see why you are interested and why you can’t say more.

I suspect that there are a number of people who can’t say more for similar reasons.

I do feel like you are being targeted and Mirage.

Why, I can’t say....

a reply to: ctj83

I go mmmmm when it comes to laPlume.

I find this particular comment quite interesting.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

a reply to: Baablacksheep

Do you find 'time travel explanations' more interesting
then space travel explanations? If that is true, why?

According to the laws of physics, time travel to the past should be impossible.
If you could do it, you might have to tap the sun dry of energy or something
like that..

and for what purpose?

to anal probe some gullible person in the woods? (I overuse that metaphor,
granted... but it's effective).

I'm not teasing.. I'm asking..

Related question:

What's your opinion on the so-called "USS Philadelphia experiment" ?

I never thought much of that modern mythology.. but I came across some
disturbing information a while back.. of an occult nature..

Since you brought up time travel.. I was just wanting your opinion..
anyone is free to answer.. and it's actually on-topic, as 'time travel'
is one of the *cough* more common theories for RFI, for some
reason I cannot fathom, based upon the available evidence.

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

It's the notion of beings travelling into the past from the far future that instantly killed Penniston's revelation stone dead for me.

However, I'm open to beings travelling forward to 1980 from a period a long, long time ago, maybe even from a galaxy far, far away?

Did Jim fail to notice this bunch hiding in the woods...?

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

My opinion is not relevant for now Kev. I just pulled up that particular link as I made note of it all long back. I found Steves thoughts interesting in relation to the RFI.