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originally posted by: KilgoreTrout
originally posted by: mirageman
Jokey comments (of course!) and a little thread drift is fine. But let's try to exercise some self discipline here and not forget what this thread is about.
Is that fair comment?
Indeed, and with the new season here, you and the girls must be simply itching to get down to the important business of the Rendlesham fashion review.
No worries, apologies for the seemingly irrelevant drift.
. Abstract Lecture Series No. 131, concerned with the performance of antennas in their operational environment, is sponsored by the Electromagnetic Wave Propagation Panel of AGARD and implemented by the Consultant and Exchange Programme. Antennas can provide gain in any direction, and the effect of the operating environment on this parameter is fundamentally important for the performance of radio systems. Yet the effect of the environment on antennas is often overlooked. The performance of the antennas is more usually specified in terms of its operation over a perfectly conducting flat ground plane. This Lecture Series covers: techniques for measurement/prediction (numerical and experimental modelling); performance of fixed and transportable antennas (terrain effects, masts and buildings effects, re-radiation by supporting towers); performance of mobile antennas (effects of supporting platforms such as aircraft, ships and automobiles); performance of antennas in plasmas.
Surface plasmon polaritons can be excited by electrons or photons. In the case of photons, it cannot be done directly, but requires a prism, or a grating, or a defect on the metal surface.
originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear
a reply to: mirageman
When i was in the military for 8 years, the one time of the year
when people were most likely to be on vacation, if they
could get the time off, was during Christmas.
So, IF a test was going to be run against base personnel,
this would be the worst time (you want to maximize who
is there, not minimize).
I guess this is why i go with accident more than test.
originally posted by: BASSPLYR
a reply to: AdamE
Like ratheons High Frequency Surface Wave Radar for navy usage. Good for detecting ships over the horizon or line of sight from traditional radar. Could probably be used to send signals over land semi covertly. Especially if no ones looking for them.
But plasma...orbs of light...beams...any other uses than radar?
originally posted by: mirageman
a reply to: AdamE
With the greatest respect, I mean, very interesting. Actually that was just for Kev.
I certainly don't have the qualifications to understand that pdf about Plasma antennas or Optimum Excitation of Ground Waves without taking a physics degree. However I don't think it's necessary for anyone else to read them if you've done the groundwork.
I would say what we are all more interested in is :
1) Who was responsible for the "The Cloudbuster" set up you have alluded to?
2) What evidence do you have for this being in place near enough to Woodbridge/Bentwaters and Rendlesham Forest in December 1980?
3) If we can we prove the above then is it likely it was used during the specific 3/4 days over Christmas 1980?
originally posted by: wobbs62
The intelligence services on hearing about the lights then decide incorporate them into a UFO cover story and put all witnesses under chemical regression with some getting a more detailed story than others, like bustinza and Warren.
would like to know what you all think of my wild theroys.😀
originally posted by: The GUT
a reply to: ConfusedBrit
In that situation there couldn't be much more one could do to try and muddy the waters though, eh? UFOs automatically make the majority of the population think it's just a bunch of loonies and tune the story out. Moreso in the past as more folk have come to be more open to the mystery.
CIA, under its assigned responsibilities, and in cooperation with the psychological strategy board, immediately investigate possible offensive or defensive utilization of the phenomena for psychological warfare purposes both for and against the United States, advising those agencies charged with U.S. internal security of any pertinent findings affecting their areas of responsibility. www.deeppoliticsforum.com...
Among other things, this document contains confirmation that Battelle Memorial Institute was working on UFO project(s) at the time of the Robertson Panel, (January 1953), and apparently could exercise some amount of control over the handling of the subject matter.
Therefore, we recommend that a controlled experiment be set up by which reliable physical data can be obtained. A tentative preliminary plan by which the experiment could be designed and carried out is discussed in the following paragraphs.
Assuming that, from our analysis, several definite areas productive of reports can be selected, we recommend that one or two of theses areas be set up as experimental areas. This area, or areas, should have observation posts with complete visual skywatch, with radar and photographic coverage, plus all other instruments necessary or helpful in obtaining positive and reliable data on everything in the air over the area. A very complete record of the weather should also be kept during the time of the experiment.
Coverage should be so complete that any object in the air could be tracked, and information as to its altitude, velocity, size, shape, color, time of day, etc. could be recorded. All balloon releases or known balloon paths, aircraft flights, and flights of rockets in the test area should be known to those in charge of the experiment. Many different types of aerial activity should be secretly and purposefully scheduled within the area.
This [Pentacle Memo] was the report that was also at the core of [Dr.] Leon Davidson’s enquiries and which made him conclude that the US government were using UFOs as part of a psychological warfare exercise…
...But Davidson pointed out that as early as 1945, mechanical countermeasures against radar had become publicly known – and used. It was known that these could cause blips on the radar screen, resulting in incorrect range, speed, or heading. This was called Electronic Countermeasures and Davidson believed this method of counterintelligence was used to present the myth that “UFOs” existed.
Davidson drew the infamous equation: ECM+CIA=UFO, suggesting that the CIA were creating ECM signals on radars, so that people would believe in the presence of UFOs, as they confirmed eyewitness accounts of anomalous objects in the sky. Furthermore, the anomalous blips were a perfect mechanism to distort the true capabilities of any new aircraft that was being test-flown – occasional sightings of which were passed off as UFOs too.
Further evidence of CIA influence in NICAP developed during the period
immediately before NICAP's decline. On December 3, 1969, Donald Keyhoe
was ousted as NICAP's Director during a Board meeting. Who led the
effort to remove Keyhoe? The Chairman of the Board, Col. Joesph Bryan,
former Chief of the CIA's Psychological Warfare Staff (1947-1953). And
who replaced Keyhoe? John Acuff, who was the head of the Society of
Photographic Scientists and Engineers (SPSE), a frequent target of
Russian spying attempts and a group that had many members involved in
Defense Department intelligence units, including the CIA.
His management of NICAP was financially "tight' (in the cheap sense) and
totally inept in a research sense. Criticism of government UFO policy
was gone, and NICAP merely served as a sighting collection center.
Acuff's management drove loyal NICAP Board members away and ultmately
led to Acuff's downfall in 1978.
Who replaced Acuff? None other than Alan Hall, a retired CIA employee,
who accepted the position after a number of other CIA employees were
offered the job. Support for Hall from the NICAP Board came from
Charles Lombard, an aide to Senator Goldwater and former CIA covert
NICAP eventually became so ineffective that it was dissolved, and the
group's UFO files were absorbed by the Center for UFO Studies in
There certainly seems to be a pattern behind NICAP's destruction. Is it
a coincidence that so many ex-CIA people became deeply involved in the
operation of NICAP? It is possible that the CIA wanted to influence
NICAP activities for several reasons:
1) To gather intelligence through NICAP's investigators network.
2) To identify and plug leaks from government soures (NICAP was
renowned for receiving military-oriented reports).
3) To monitor other hostile intelligence agencies (NICAP received
several overtures from the Soviet KGB).
In "Unidentified Fascist Observatories", John Judge asserts that Adamski was an asset of the CIA, who in his lecture tours throughout the 50's and 60's dispersed disinfo on behalf of the Company.www.conspiracyarchive.com...
The Pied Pipers of the CIA
...In short, Menger’s story was a CIA experiment to see how easily and whom specifically could be fooled into believing anything...
...More significantly, it is now known that Adamski was the same: he was not only encouraged in his work, but actively supported and assisted, by the CIA.
This became known – though not widely reported when scientists attempting to investigate Adamski's claims (in an effort to discredit him and stop him in his tracks) were warned off by CIA Director Allen Dulles in person. And research has shown that during tours of Europe and Australia to promote his “message”, Adamski travelled on a passport furnished by the CIA. www.philipcoppens.com...
Finally, there is the tale of Howard Menger, author of the book From Outer Space to You. As the late and renowned Fortean authority John Keel noted in letters to the UFO researcher Gray Barker and Saucer Smear editor Jim Moseley, Menger termed his book “fiction-fact” and implied that the Pentagon had asked him to participate in an experiment to test the public’s reaction to extra-terrestrial contact…