Teacher says she was fired for giving zeroes to students who didn't turn in their work

a reply to: dug88

And thanks to this line of reasoning, I have a nephew who's getting penalized.

He has an intuitive understanding of math. He knows the answer. He understands.

But because he also has ADD/ADHD to a high degree, getting him to write the long, drawn out convoluted process required of common core math is nearly impossible. His working memory doesn't hold all the steps.

So he can give you the answers, but he can't give you the process.

0's becoming doctors surgeons nuclear powerplant admin. Dumb and Dumber, Idiocracy, Pedro for President, Napoleon Dynamite......

Yep we are SO ######## Have a nice day, as seen on TV.

Is this not leading to socialism ?

a reply to: starwarsisreal


Look at our colleges, give us your hundreds of thousands of dollars, but ya'll are so damned dumb we are going to teach you how to protest and become community activist for a living!

Imagine finding a good heart doctor in 20 years. Just make sure you hide your political beliefs! They might kill ya!

originally posted by: markovian
eventualy degrees in america will be useless and treated like ones from 3rd world countrys

theres still china and japan

Isn't the country at that point now.

a reply to: starwarsisreal

Oh, please do not get me effing started.

They have been doing this for years here in the DC area (in the northern Virginia suburbs, anyway).

Some grades (middle school, elementary, high school) aren't allowed to give zeros. A lot of teachers do this thing where they average your grade between averages of tests, homework, class discussion, and attitude. Yeah you read that right. So a student, if he desires, can turn in not ONE homework assignment yet still pass the class.

Here's the one that gets me: ALL grades (elementary all the way through senior in high school) are allowed to RETAKE ANY TEST that they failed or got a D on. How many times can they re-take the test? As many times as they want.

This is NOT GOOD for students. We are teaching them that there are pretty much no or very little consequences for being lazy assholes. It's already starting to show, how damaging this is.

originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: dug88

originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: chiefsmom
In what kind of system, is it ok to give someone 50% for nothing?
I weep for our future.

And I am damn glad that my grandsons mother has the same child rearing philosophy as we do. Although we will probably all end up in jail because of it.

The same system where it's more important for kids to show the process in math than it is for them to get the right answer.

To be fair...that's because it is more important to understand the process to achieving the right answer in math than just knowing it.

How can you apply math without understanding how it works?

I use math every day at work. I'm really glad people took the time to teach me the process behind it so I can use it now to make money....

Process may be important, but so is the right answer. I think a person's priorities are skewed when a person gets points for process but not for right answer. How do you know process is right if the answer ends up wrong?

And if the process doesn't lead to the right answer, do you want that person to design your bridges and buildings?

This.

originally posted by: Bluntone22
Failing is failing.

But I would really like to know if the kids they send out are any dumber than other schools.

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The answer is a definite yes. And what's worse is that they leave with NO sense of personal responsibility. I don't know how they can look themselves in the mirror, but I guess after years of being allowed to get away with doing no work and putting forth no effort, it must start to feel just fine.

I teach one-on-one lessons (saxophone, flute) to students. So I get to experience these kids up close. I started noticing a BIG change in students maybe six or seven years ago, mainly with none of them able to focus their damn attention for more than 5 seconds at a time. No I am not exaggerating. Then I started noticing how many of them get really uncomfortable when asked to learn something they haven't done yet. In fact, a lot of them will just refuse.

That's about the time this "no-failing and retake any test you fail" policy started up here.

a reply to: KansasGirl

And things like this are why you have places full of high school diplomas and populations are simultaneously 50% or greater functionally illiterate at the same time.

originally posted by: KansasGirl

originally posted by: Bluntone22
Failing is failing.

But I would really like to know if the kids they send out are any dumber than other schools.

.

The answer is a definite yes. And what's worse is that they leave with NO sense of personal responsibility. I don't know how they can look themselves in the mirror, but I guess after years of being allowed to get away with doing no work and putting forth no effort, it must start to feel just fine.

I teach one-on-one lessons (saxophone, flute) to students. So I get to experience these kids up close. I started noticing a BIG change in students maybe six or seven years ago, mainly with none of them able to focus their damn attention for more than 5 seconds at a time. No I am not exaggerating. Then I started noticing how many of them get really uncomfortable when asked to learn something they haven't done yet. In fact, a lot of them will just refuse.

That's about the time this "no-failing and retake any test you fail" policy started up here.

Taught Trombone years ago and even then I noticed how even after giving them their assignment for the next week, and I purposely dumbed it down for them, they would come back and have no clue wtf they were doing. They didn't practice. I quit! You know what I got from the school? Well it's easy money... Screw that, I want students who want to learn!

a reply to: starwarsisreal

Of course!! Because..."Axesk" really is a word!!

...as in.... "Lemme' axesk you sumthin straight up, dawg...aaaahieeeght???"

5 years from now the Oxford Dictionary will have the word "Axesk" in it. ...

Axe*sk - (pronounced Axe-sk) - verb; the act of questioning another 'brother from a different mother' about what he may have suggested but was not understood completely by the 'crack dealer on the corner'. And, in the absence of coherent English, some corner "HOE" attempted to clarify the "Hood Talk" by 'axeskin'' for the pipe perp to repeat his self.

originally posted by: dug88

originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: chiefsmom
In what kind of system, is it ok to give someone 50% for nothing?
I weep for our future.

And I am damn glad that my grandsons mother has the same child rearing philosophy as we do. Although we will probably all end up in jail because of it.

The same system where it's more important for kids to show the process in math than it is for them to get the right answer.

To be fair...that's because it is more important to understand the process to achieving the right answer in math than just knowing it.

This makes no sense.

If you can demonstrate you understand the process, you should be getting correct answers.

If you're not getting correct answers, you didn't understand very much except that math is hard!

originally posted by: seeker1963

originally posted by: KansasGirl

originally posted by: Bluntone22
Failing is failing.

But I would really like to know if the kids they send out are any dumber than other schools.

.

The answer is a definite yes. And what's worse is that they leave with NO sense of personal responsibility. I don't know how they can look themselves in the mirror, but I guess after years of being allowed to get away with doing no work and putting forth no effort, it must start to feel just fine.

I teach one-on-one lessons (saxophone, flute) to students. So I get to experience these kids up close. I started noticing a BIG change in students maybe six or seven years ago, mainly with none of them able to focus their damn attention for more than 5 seconds at a time. No I am not exaggerating. Then I started noticing how many of them get really uncomfortable when asked to learn something they haven't done yet. In fact, a lot of them will just refuse.

That's about the time this "no-failing and retake any test you fail" policy started up here.

Taught Trombone years ago and even then I noticed how even after giving them their assignment for the next week, and I purposely dumbed it down for them, they would come back and have no clue wtf they were doing. They didn't practice. I quit! You know what I got from the school? Well it's easy money... Screw that, I want students who want to learn!

As someone that freelances teaching drums. I'll be the third music teacher to attest to this.
As my primary job is not music but the technical aspects of live performance at a university. It's been hell for the last 5 years I've been employed there. But was great 10 years ago when I was employed there. So I agree with the 6 or 7 year ago assessment.
But I also see some positive changes in my younger students/ coworkers from other freelance gigs.
I think we are bending away from the worst of the entitled mentality.

It’s all about Money, money, money!
„Good“ schools with above average ratings are getting more resources?! Why?

The schools with BELOW average headings should get the most funding, as they are the ones needing it.

And those fundings should go to TEACHING, not to sports coaches and administrations!

Or you get „Generation FAIL, LOL“...

This teacher should demand half of her pay since the school clearly approves of someone getting half of what they would have gotten if they did something correctly, but for doing absolutely no work.

Gonna be interesting to see the school system's logic in denying the teacher half pay...

i didnt understand. if there isnt anything they handed how can it be %50 of the top grade? there isnt anything. if they are explaining what they did instead of the assignment only then?

a reply to: ManFromEurope

a reply to: starwarsisreal

The government is building them from public school system,they are trained Democrats,just look at the work they did during Obama admin

originally posted by: Gothmog
Liberal parents wanting a "participation" grade .
Soon , if not already , they will push for doing away with grades just like in school sports. In which everyone gets a trophy...

Where does the insanity stop ?

To be fair, what good are a grade really?? You either know how to do stuff, or you dont!
All a grade tells me, is that the person, one day in their life, was able to get a good, average or bad grade, and that might have been achieved by cheating or having rich parents who can send you to a school where EVERYBODY gets a high grade.
I need someone who is able to multiply, so someone might get a good grade, because they are good at everything else, but knows crap about multiplying, so what good are the grade??

I agree on no free trophys, but rate people after what they can or cant do, a effing grade doesnt do nothing!!

But school is a joke anyways, you dont learn to think, only to read a book and accept the answers in it, without ever questioning if the information is right or wrong! (Just like religion) A high grade, only means that the person is willing to accept the "truths" you tell without asking to many questions...

This is what happens when you allow people educated in liberal arts to lead school programs.

We need to reinvigorate the sciences. Liberal arts is pure naval gazing