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Who Is Karl Marx?

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posted on Sep, 24 2018 @ 09:13 PM
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Another great video here from the Alternative Influence Network lol. In this PragerU video they do a reasonably good job of explaining how Marxist ideologies have resulted in millions of deaths and mass suffering, although I would have liked them to cite some specific examples such as The Great Leap Forward.





posted on Sep, 24 2018 @ 09:24 PM
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a reply to: ChaoticOrder

All I saw was prageru, aka far right white supremacist.

Ignore anything they have to say, so sayith the social media overlords.



posted on Sep, 24 2018 @ 09:31 PM
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Funny my ex girlfriend has a collage kid, says the exact same thing.. they just did it wrong....100 MILLION HUMAN BEINGS, MY GOD THE MADNESS!



posted on Sep, 24 2018 @ 09:34 PM
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Absolute socialism will work, it just needs to start with a really strong nation, like the capitalist economy republic of the USA.

Starting from that, you'll have a good few decades before it's just another #hole. But not because of socialism, but it will decline for some other "reason".
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posted on Sep, 24 2018 @ 09:40 PM
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Look at California, perfect example.

It's a socialist government built on the back of one of the strongest capitalist economies.

It's doing great.... free needles for drug addicts, haven for immigrant criminals, extreme spread between the rich and the poor. And all the # covered streets anyone could hope for. Not to mention it's the "envy" of every other state in the us.



posted on Sep, 24 2018 @ 09:40 PM
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It's true and it's always funny how so many apologist arguments do boil down to "the wrong people were running it."



posted on Sep, 24 2018 @ 09:42 PM
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Brother to Graucho and Harpo, right????

Those guys were freaking hilarious!!

There was this one time...with a cigar...oh, MAN!! I thought I was gonna pee myself!!

Oh wait...wrong dude...never mind!



posted on Sep, 24 2018 @ 09:46 PM
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OP...ask yourself one thing...

Why is it that Marxism / socialism always blooms out of a robust economy??? Why does it never take root out of a poverty stricken economy???

I'll answer...because it's a broken social initiative, that's why!



posted on Sep, 24 2018 @ 09:58 PM
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a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

When did it ever bloom out of a robust economy?.


Soviet communism (at least the Lennin period and not the much less humane Stalin period which was even worse) not to be mistake for simple Marxist ideals but those ideals taken in a very militant way to there extreme rose out of a Broken economy in what was then the most backward and large country in Europe, one in which the disparity between the wealthy elite and the poor was catastrophically huge.
Similarly the PRE-Marxist but still very socialist french revolution also rose out of a similar disparity of extreme decadent wealth and extreme poverty.
Even Mau's chinese communism (And we know about his millions of needless deaths of the very people he was supposed to be championing) also found it's footing in the poverty stricken mass of the Chinese.
Likewise the Vietnamese and also many other's.

Or are you simply referring to the extreme minority of ultra wealthy living in what for them was a robust economy, one in which they were surrounded by slaves and were there right's over ruled all others.

The truth is this BOTH unbridled Capitalism AND unbridled 'extreme as in Communist not moderate' socialism are extremely bad system's, the only viable route is to walk the extremely narrow path of moderated capitalism or old western European style semi socialism.

Also remember it was NEVER invented by Marx only moderated and rewritten according to his world view of the late 1800's, a time of work houses and industrial mill's were workers were poor and worked to there death's while the elite lived rich and free.
In fact it was Jesus Christ whom said go and sell ALL YOU OWN and give it to the poor and come follow me.
Whom said if you have two coat's and your brother has none give him the one you are not using.
Whom said the son of man has no place to lay his head - that's right the Lord himself was homeless wandering and even as a child he was a refugee whom had to flee over the border into the unfriendly Egypt to be saved from Herod's murder of the children.

So how many Capitalists do you think will be going to heaven?.
The rich fool whom stored up all his wealth into a barn only to then die.

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posted on Sep, 24 2018 @ 10:01 PM
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a reply to: LABTECH767

Except Jesus invited people to be charitable willingly, using their own free agency.

Marxists will force you to be charitable (which isn't charity) or put a bullet in your face.

Not what JC had in mind. And you know that.



posted on Sep, 24 2018 @ 10:03 PM
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a reply to: NthOther

Did he, or did the young man ask what more he must do to be saved, invited or told what he must do?.



posted on Sep, 24 2018 @ 10:03 PM
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a reply to: LABTECH767

Jesus said to do what it right because it's the right thing, not because someone with a kalashnikov is forcibly confiscating every penny you have in the name of the state and then lining you up against the wall and shooting you for the high crime of having while others did not.



posted on Sep, 24 2018 @ 10:05 PM
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a reply to: ketsuko

I actually made that point myself.
Jesus did not hold the Kalashnikov but something far more dangerous, the way is narrow and though many are called few will enter through the gate?.

Heaven does not have merchant's, we don't work for a wage there since God gives freely to all that have need.

Still as Jesus said for God all thing's are possible and of course as the old Psalm say's his love endures forever and his mercy is great.

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posted on Sep, 24 2018 @ 10:05 PM
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originally posted by: LABTECH767
a reply to: NthOther

Did he, or did the young man ask what more he must do to be saved, invited or told what he must do?.


Interesting how it is always ignored that some of the disciples were quite wealthy and some of the men who ended up being saved were also quite wealthy and Jesus never made this demand of them.

What Jesus wanted of the young man is that he be willing to put Christ uppermost in his heart. That he could not put Christ before his material possessions was demonstrated by his unwillingness. However, for those others mentioned, the demand was not made. Why? He knows our hearts and knows what we're willing to do.



posted on Sep, 24 2018 @ 10:07 PM
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a reply to: LABTECH767

Actually, I think he put a Glock 17 to the guy's head and said, "Yo money o' yo life, n#!"



posted on Sep, 24 2018 @ 10:07 PM
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originally posted by: LABTECH767
a reply to: ketsuko

I actually made that point myself.
Jesus did not hold the Kalashnikov but something far more dangerous, the way is narrow and though many are called few will enter through the gate?.


Funny, I don't recall Jesus saying the message is one of do as I say or I will line you up against a wall and shoot you to hell so much as one of love and belief.

You cannot buy your way into Heaven.



posted on Sep, 24 2018 @ 10:09 PM
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a reply to: ketsuko

It's very interesting how you miss the point that they walked in poverty with him giving up all they owned leaving family and friend's behind, how even when the apostles were teaching among people they worked for there sustenance if work was available.
Were was there wealth on this earth then.

Store up your treasure in heaven were the moth can not rot it and the thief can not steal it were it does not diminish, that treasure is in the heart of God and in the heart's of those you help and do good by.



posted on Sep, 24 2018 @ 10:13 PM
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a reply to: LABTECH767

You know that Judas managed their money? He got angry at Mary for using the nard to wash his feet. For all that they were poor, they had enough in their money bag for Judas to steal from it as he pleased which was why he was mad at Mary for using the nard. He wanted to sell it for money for their money bag.

However, the fact remains that Jesus did not demand any of the disciples give all their possessions away. They willingly walked to follow him.

Only the young man asked what he had to do for salvation, and Jesus told him that. If giving everything away is a prerequisite, then why were the disciples presumably allowed to keep what they had behind them? I can walk away from what I have tomorrow and walk around apparently poor, but that doesn't mean I actually have nothing because I didn't give any of it away.



posted on Sep, 24 2018 @ 10:32 PM
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originally posted by: Flyingclaydisk
Brother to Graucho and Harpo, right????


Nobody remembers Gummo and Zeppo.


They should have changed their names to Carl and Karl.

Then again, I recall a story where J Edgar Hoover was asked to investigate Groucho for Communist tendancies because he was heard to call the United States the "United Snakes".



posted on Sep, 24 2018 @ 10:46 PM
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a reply to: LABTECH767

You do realize that the "poor" of America have better standards of living then the richest of other countries, right?

So your whole argument falls apart simply on that.

What FCD was trying to say is that socialists see America as a way to have enough money available to actually achieve the dream of making socialism (Marxism. Communism Leninism, Maoism, the dreams of Hegal ad nausium) finally work.

While ignoring the whole point that it can't, simply because of human nature.

Capitalism actually does work, in the sense that every citizen has the chance to make a better life for themselves.

Unless you are a loser and always focus on someone that has more than you and blame them for it because they are actually better than you in the game of Capitalism.

Socialists play on that, scoop the losers up and in America make them a political party. Let's call them Democrats.

The top Democrats amass enough voters to gain power, keep gaining power and do well for themselves.

The lower level of Democrats get nothing out of the deal, stay poor and pissed off and keep voting Democrat to make their lives better.

Perhaps you should focus less on socialism as a good thing and maybe focus on the party that uses you to enrich themselves while keeping you poor.




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